For the recruiting star experts
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How many 5th year guys play at FSU?
I doubt many.
2010: 9th
2011: 1st
2012: 11th
all of those years they were top 10 in star average, and actually 1st in avg in 2012 class (only signed 19).
I doubt many.
2010: 9th
2011: 1st
2012: 11th
all of those years they were top 10 in star average, and actually 1st in avg in 2012 class (only signed 19).
I think the point was to the fact that Duke gave A & M all they wanted even though A & M averaged what? 40 50 places higher in the recruiting rankings. I haven't looked but would probably guess that every conference win they had this year were to teams ranked higher in the recruiting rankings. Great coaching and player development to get 10 wins at Duke.
Nobody should
be disputing that these top 10-15 teams are insegnificant, however, past that it really isnt much of a difference until you probably get in the 50s or so.
be disputing that these top 10-15 teams are insegnificant, however, past that it really isnt much of a difference until you probably get in the 50s or so.
Fact is, Ole Miss ALWAYS has to downgrade their recruiting rankings after your "top players" drop out, get arrested, transfer, etc. Every year is the same: 1) Signing day, you have "the greatest new crop of players since the 1974 Pittsburgh Steelers, 2) you win a couple games in a row, it's "we's back to our glory days", 3) after losing yet another Egg bowl, it's "Ah'm so glad you has Dan Mullens as yer coach."
The next year, it's lather, rinse, repeat.....
The next year, it's lather, rinse, repeat.....
Stole this off another board:
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| [h=2]Want to know why Umiss loses to us after "winning"[/h] | |
| Nominate | ReportPosted: 12/24/2013 1:35 PM [h=4]Want to know why Umiss loses to us after "winning"[/h] MSU 4 and 5* commits from 2008-2012 classes Templeton Hardy - Career Back Up (MS) Charles Mitchell - Starter - NFL (MS) Josh Boyd - Starter - NFL (MS) Tyler Russell - Starter - (Currently on Roster) May play in the NFL (MS) Fletcher Cox - Starter - NFL after 3 years (MS) Montrell Conner - Transferred Chad Bumphis - Starter - May make a roster in the NFL next year (MS) Chris White - Starter -NFL (MS) Pernell McPhee - Starter - NFL Maurice Langston - Starter - (MS) Kaleb Eulls - Starter (Currently on Roster) (MS) Matthew Wells - Starter (Currently on Roster) (MS) Damien Robinson - Back Up (Currently on Roster) (MS) Dee Arrington - Back Up (Currently on Roster) (MS) Joe Morrow - Starter (Currently on Roster) (MS) Quay Evans - Back Up (Currently on Roster) (MS) Nick James - Back Up (Currently on Roster) (MS) Denico Autry - Starter - (Currently on Roster) May play in the NFL Will Redmond - Back Up (Currently on Roster) Beniquiz Brown - Back Up (Currently on Roster) Now Umiss Raymond Cotton - Career Back Up - Transferred Tig Barksdale - Personal problems - Transferred (MS) Pat Patterson - ? - Transferred (MS) Delvin Jones - ? - Transferred Vincent Sanders - Starter (Currently on Team) (MS) Carlos Thompson -Back Up (Currently on Team) (MS) Carlton Martin - Back Up (Currently on Team) Wayne Dorsey - Starter Damien Jackson - Starter? Randall Mackey -Starter/Back Up Nick Brassell - Flunked Out (MS) CJ Johnson - Starter (Currently on Team) (MS) Donte Moncrief - Starter (Currently on Team) (MS) Tobias Singleton - Transferred (MS) Senquez Golson - Starter (Currently on Team) (MS) Channing Ward - Back Up (Currently on Team) (MS) Craig Drummond - ? - Transferred Bobbie Massie - Starter - NFL Patrick Trahan - Starter - NFL Enrique Davis - Career Back Up Emmaneul Stephens - Starter - NFL Total 4 and 5* Umiss Total 21 (10 from MS) MSU Total 20 (15 from MS) Still on Team Umiss 7 (4 Starters) MSU 11 (5 starters) Used Eligibility Umiss 7 (6 Starters) MSU 8 (7 starters) Transfer/Kicked of Team Umiss 7 MSU 1 Made NFL Roster/Practice Squad Umiss 3 (of 7 who used up eligibility) (None from MS HS) MSU 5 (of 8 who used up eligibility) (4 from MS) Could make roster next year Umiss 1 (Moncrief if he declares) (1 from MS) MSU 3 (Bumphis, Autry, Russell) (2 from MS) In summary MSU does a better job of keeping and developing their 4 and 5* players. A 4/5* player had a 62.5% (MSU) vs 42.5% (Umiss) of making an NFL roster during that time so far. Almost a 50% better chance of making it to the league. If you are a Mississippi High School player your chances were infinitely better because Umiss sent no MS HS players to the league so far. Umiss lost 33.3% of their 4/5*'s vs MSU's 5%.....so far. Last edited 12/24/2013 7:50 PM by willn1 |
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Two things about that.
First and foremost, all of the OM attrition is on Houston Nutt's watch. None of those players left under Freeze.
Also, i am not sure how you classify Evan and James as backups since they haven't played b/c of off field issues. That sounds like attrition to me. Evans may even be off the team at this point. I didn't bother looking at any of the others, but considering the slant put on those two, you have to assume there are others on the list that are questionable.
First and foremost, all of the OM attrition is on Houston Nutt's watch. None of those players left under Freeze.
Also, i am not sure how you classify Evan and James as backups since they haven't played b/c of off field issues. That sounds like attrition to me. Evans may even be off the team at this point. I didn't bother looking at any of the others, but considering the slant put on those two, you have to assume there are others on the list that are questionable.
Point being stars matter only to a certain extent. I trust Mullen or any competent coach like cutcliffe more than I trust Yancy Chuck Paul or gene to evaluate/develop talent. When Ole Miss "wins" signing day again this year it would be helpful for our fans not to fall for it and trust our coaches. This sounds sheepish so be it.