For those that feel healthcare is a right...at what point in our country's

[DvlDog4WVU]

There is a lot more that goes into that 99% than simply the quality of the education.

99% of my friends from HS went on to college ... but I'd say only about 50% from my graduating class did. Home life and the emphasis placed on education has as much to do with who goes to college as does anything else. Also, I'd say that if the parents are paying for private school K-12 that the kid doesn't have many worries about how they are going to pay for college either.

In all, I'd say that private education probably is better because every kid in there has parents that value education that highly.

It varies between private schools.

In general, private schools have more flexibility and budget available to deal with disciplinary actions, student placement (No Child Left Behind) requirements, higher paid teachers (depending on location and prestige of institution), extra curricular activities, classroom aids, flexibility in teaching methods, etc.

I guess my point, given all of that, why would I not send my kids to Private school? Putting them in the best possible position to succeed is about rule #1 in life as a parent. Should I artificially inhibit their opportunity just because the system is unfair to people of lesser means? Make better life choices. Don't get the psych or art history degree. Get something that will translate into actual money and life opportunity. Money is the currency required for increased opportunity.

I don't have issue with people who decide to send their kids to public school. That's fine. It's just not what I wanted for my kids. And really, is sending my kids to private school any different than people choosing to move into better school districts when they do their family plan? I'll add, the public schools in my area are turrble. I however chose to live on the water so part of that decision was also knowing my kids would go to private school. I could have moved into the north part of the county where the public schools are phenomenal. Had we moved there, we would have sent them to public school.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Conversely, another way to look at it would be as an administrator of the school district, she was uniquely aware of the disadvantages related to public schools in the district vs sending me to a private school. Your comment was straight union speak. Just saying.

Ever heard the phrase "eat your own dog food"? It means that if you are selling a product, you better use it and show that you are or it will be a difficult sale. My point is clear: if your parents are in a school system, and they cash that check, and the money is good enough to make a living off of, then the parents children should attend that school system......

 

[atlkvb]

Ever heard the phrase "eat your own dog food"? It means that if you are selling a product, you better use it and show that you are or it will be a difficult sale. My point is clear: if your parents are in a school system, and they cash that check, and the money is good enough to make a living off of, then the parents children should attend that school system......

Obama had the same choice you are arguing for here when it came time to educate his own kids. Guess where he chose to put them instead of into the failing D.C. Public schools he could have easily chosen for them?

And don't give me "he's the President" his kids needed more privacy alibi. Most D.C. libs also make the same choice for their kids. What galls me is these same people refuse to give D.C. parents school vouchers so they too can get their own kids out of those crappy Public schools.

Bunch of hypocrites.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Obama had the same choice you are arguing for here when it came time to educate his own kids. Guess where he chose to put them instead of into the failing D.C. Public schools he could have easily chosen for them?

And don't give me "he's the President" his kids needed more privacy alibi. Most D.C. libs also make the same choice for their kids. What galls me is these same people refuse to give D.C. parents school vouchers so they too can get their own kids out of those crappy Public schools.

Bunch of hypocrates.

How many presidents sent their kids to public schools? Come on, man. If anything, your example is exactly my point. The rich, elite people send their kids to private schools and can afford the tutors, lessons, etc. to get "the score" needed.

And you think that the President sending his kids to private schools is worse than the example given earlier by another poster? A parent who is being employed by a school district and decides to not send their kid to that public school district? Come on.

 

[atlkvb]

How many presidents sent their kids to public schools? Come on, man. If anything, your example is exactly my point. The rich, elite people send their kids to private schools and can afford the tutors, lessons, etc. to get "the score" needed.

And you think that the President sending his kids to private schools is worse than the example given earlier by another poster? A parent who is being employed by a school district and decides to not send their kid to that public school district? Come on.

You argued the "eat your own dog food" scenario in this thread in post #82, now you grant a huge exception to political elites who argue for us to trust their stewardship of these lousy public schools while they get to put their own kids into the best schools money can buy?

Then they refuse to allow Parents the same option through use of educational school choice vouchers?

You really don't see the crass hypocrisy of the two faced phoniness of your entire argument?

 

[MountaineerWV]

You argued the "eat your own dog food" scenario in this thread in post #82, now you grant a huge exception to political elites who argue for us to trust their stewardship of these lousy public schools while they get to put their own kids into the best schools money can buy?

Then they refuse to allow Parents the same option through use of educational school choice vouchers?

You really don't see the crass hypocrisy of the two faced phoniness of your entire argument?

You don't recognize the difference? The Obama's used their OWN MONEY to send their kids. You are suggesting using MY TAX $$$$ to send someone's kid to a private school or charter school. Sorry......

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Ever heard the phrase "eat your own dog food"? It means that if you are selling a product, you better use it and show that you are or it will be a difficult sale. My point is clear: if your parents are in a school system, and they cash that check, and the money is good enough to make a living off of, then the parents children should attend that school system......

Absurd analogy is absurd.

 

[atlkvb]

The rich, elite people send their kids to private schools and can afford the tutors, lessons, etc. to get "the score" needed.

This is not the excuse you used to explain why poor kids go to Private schools and also succeed. Go back and read your convoluted explanation of why that is? Something about "manipulating" the scores, or using different tests?

Now you're saying it's only because of money that Private schools outperform the failed Public schools, but you were just arguing a few posts back that they don't.

You've twisted yourself into more knots in this debate than a Pitt fan defending their lousy team.

 

[atlkvb]

You don't recognize the difference? The Obama's used their OWN MONEY to send their kids. You are suggesting using MY TAX $$$$ to send someone's kid to a private school or charter school. Sorry......

It's all our "own money" MountaineerWV. Who does it belong to if it's not us? I'm saying give that money back to Parents, and let them decide where to spend their education dollars instead of the bureaucrats.


Why do you oppose that? What makes them so clairvoyant when it comes to educating someone else's kids?


You see the choices they make when it comes time to put their "own money" where their rhetoric is when it comes to failed Public schools?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

You don't recognize the difference? The Obama's used their OWN MONEY to send their kids. You are suggesting using MY TAX $$$$ to send someone's kid to a private school or charter school. Sorry......

Have you lived outside of WV?

 

[MountaineerWV]

Have you lived outside of WV?

Yes....two other states.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Yes....two other states.

Rural or urban areas?

 

[MountaineerWV]

Rural or urban areas?

One rural, one urban.......

 

[atlkvb]

There is a lot more that goes into that 99% than simply the quality of the education.

99% of my friends from HS went on to college ... but I'd say only about 50% from my graduating class did. Home life and the emphasis placed on education has as much to do with who goes to college as does anything else. Also, I'd say that if the parents are paying for private school K-12 that the kid doesn't have many worries about how they are going to pay for college either.

In all, I'd say that private education probably is better because every kid in there has parents that value education that highly.

I'd say it is the height of arrogance to suggest poorer Public school Parents don't have the same desires for educational excellence for their kids as other Parents with better financial means do. They simply lack resources or options to get their kids out of failing Public schools.

School choice and vouchers address that issue but it's the Left supported politically by Democrat leaning Teacher's unions and school administrators standing in direct opposition to giving poor Parents many of the same options more affluent Parents enjoy in terms of finding better Private or Charter schools for their kids.

Why not trust those poor Parents to find decent educational options for their kids, then turn around and accuse them of not caring about education simply because they are not connected politically to a well funded lobby group like Teacher's unions?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I'd say it is the height of arrogance to suggest poorer Public school Parents don't have the same desires for educational excellence for their kids as other Parents with better financial means do.

Nah, you black folk don't even know where or how to get to the DMV to get a State issued ID.

 

[atlkvb]

Nah, you black folk don't even know where or how to get to the DMV to get a State issued ID.

Oh it's worse than that according to the Left DvlDog4WVU.

We don't even know how register to vote and if we show up to vote without an I.D. (like we have to show to pick up our food stamps) we're victims of "racism" don't you know?

 

[WhiteTailEER]

It varies between private schools.

In general, private schools have more flexibility and budget available to deal with disciplinary actions, student placement (No Child Left Behind) requirements, higher paid teachers (depending on location and prestige of institution), extra curricular activities, classroom aids, flexibility in teaching methods, etc.

I guess my point, given all of that, why would I not send my kids to Private school? Putting them in the best possible position to succeed is about rule #1 in life as a parent. Should I artificially inhibit their opportunity just because the system is unfair to people of lesser means? Make better life choices. Don't get the psych or art history degree. Get something that will translate into actual money and life opportunity. Money is the currency required for increased opportunity.

I don't have issue with people who decide to send their kids to public school. That's fine. It's just not what I wanted for my kids. And really, is sending my kids to private school any different than people choosing to move into better school districts when they do their family plan? I'll add, the public schools in my area are turrble. I however chose to live on the water so part of that decision was also knowing my kids would go to private school. I could have moved into the north part of the county where the public schools are phenomenal. Had we moved there, we would have sent them to public school.

I don't see how anybody can argue any of the points you made.

But I think there is a lot more to why the private schools are better than just because they aren't government run. You mentioned a lot of those reasons, but the overarching one is the one that permeates every point and decision you made ... which is that the kids there have parents that value education very highly ... and can also afford to send them to good private schools. Having the means won't guarantee a child's success in education, but having parents that value it that highly certainly does.

I'm certainly not arguing that the government can do it better, they can't. But a lot of the reasons they can't is because they are dealing with probably 50% of kids that have no aspirations for college at all, and probably 90% of those are because of the attitude of the parents. Some of the other reasons is the bureaucracy and all of the ways that teachers and administrators hands are tied in public schools.

Private schools are undeniably better. But we also need public schools because purely privatized education would be disastrous.

 

[atlkvb]

I think there is a lot more to why the private schools are better than just because they aren't government run.

That's the main reason as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Airport]

I don't see how anybody can argue any of the points you made.

But I think there is a lot more to why the private schools are better than just because they aren't government run. You mentioned a lot of those reasons, but the overarching one is the one that permeates every point and decision you made ... which is that the kids there have parents that value education very highly ... and can also afford to send them to good private schools. Having the means won't guarantee a child's success in education, but having parents that value it that highly certainly does.

I'm certainly not arguing that the government can do it better, they can't. But a lot of the reasons they can't is because they are dealing with probably 50% of kids that have no aspirations for college at all, and probably 90% of those are because of the attitude of the parents. Some of the other reasons is the bureaucracy and all of the ways that teachers and administrators hands are tied in public schools.

Private schools are undeniably better. But we also need public schools because purely privatized education would be disastrous.

I'm pretty sure that private schools don't offer the same benefits that public institutions do. Work environment is better at private.

 

[atlkvb]

I don't see how anybody can argue any of the points you made.

But I think there is a lot more to why the private schools are better than just because they aren't government run. You mentioned a lot of those reasons, but the overarching one is the one that permeates every point and decision you made ... which is that the kids there have parents that value education very highly ... and can also afford to send them to good private schools. Having the means won't guarantee a child's success in education, but having parents that value it that highly certainly does.

I'm certainly not arguing that the government can do it better, they can't. But a lot of the reasons they can't is because they are dealing with probably 50% of kids that have no aspirations for college at all, and probably 90% of those are because of the attitude of the parents. Some of the other reasons is the bureaucracy and all of the ways that teachers and administrators hands are tied in public schools.

Private schools are undeniably better. But we also need public schools because purely privatized education would be disastrous.

For whom?

Again, inherent in your assertions in this post are poor Parents don't care, aren't motivated, and could give two sh*ts less about educating their kids.

Maybe you've never been poor but I have been, and I know many people who are. They do care. They do struggle. They do ache for better lives and opportunities for their kids but unlike DvlDog4WVU they do not have the ability to just pull up and leave those crappy schools and go live on a Lake while still being able to afford to put their kids into posh Private schools.

They didn't ask for the lousy Public schools. They were promised by the Government that their kids would be properly educated in them. It's the same promise the Government makes to them to be treated equally fair in Courts, in Law enforcement, and in society in general.

The Government makes those promises to all of its citizens but you and I are both realistic enough to know that it's not always the way it works right? We know it's the greased wheels that run the smoothest. The one's that get greased with lobbyist's money right? Like Teacher's Unions right?

Political elites know the Government schools are crap and don't keep their promises to educate kids, that's why they put their kids into Private schools.

Poor parent's aren't dumb, and they aren't apathetic. Many of them are unskilled true, and lack information or resources but if we really want to help them why not give them vouchers and trust them to find better educational choices for their kids? Why do you assume they don't want this or can't handle it?

The Left is all for subsidizing their Health insurance, their retirement insurance, their food, their rental housing, even their cell phones...but somehow when it comes to subsidizing their kid's education...they suddenly can't handle the freebie cash$$$$$$ in the form of school vouchers?

Give them money to educate their kids and they'll somehow screw that up?

Liberal arrogance & hypocrisy in full array.

 

[Mntneer]

It's pretty God Damn simple. No right should require the labor of others to be exercised.

Period.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Again, inherent in your assertions in this post are poor Parents don't care, aren't motivated, and could give two sh*ts less about educating their kids.

Liberal arrogance & hypocrisy in full array.

Maybe those assertions are inherent in your interpretation, but I said nothing of the sort.

So f' you and your "liberal arrogance and hypocrisy" statement.

The parents of all kids in private schools care about their education. (or at least 99% ... I'm sure for some it's just status)

No where did I even suggest that parents of all kids in public schools don't care about their education. Not even remotely. Not even close. I went to public schools and my parents valued education highly. Of all the sports trophies and all star teams and everything else I earned growing up, the thing that made my parents the proudest ... the only trophy my mother made sure to keep ... was winning the Math Field Day in our county.

However, there are a lot of kids in public schools whose parents don't care at all, and these are problem kids that the teachers and administration have to deal with that detract from the education that everybody else is getting.

So, here you go again, reading things that aren't there ... telling people they said things they didn't say and then calling them arrogant and hypocritical based on the idiotic **** you made up in your own f'n head.

 

[atlkvb]

Maybe those assertions are inherent in your interpretation, but I said nothing of the sort.

So f' you and your "liberal arrogance and hypocrisy" statement.

The parents of all kids in private schools care about their education. (or at least 99% ... I'm sure for some it's just status)

No where did I even suggest that parents of all kids in public schools don't care about their education. Not even remotely. Not even close. I went to public schools and my parents valued education highly. Of all the sports trophies and all star teams and everything else I earned growing up, the thing that made my parents the proudest ... the only trophy my mother made sure to keep ... was winning the Math Field Day in our county.

However, there are a lot of kids in public schools whose parents don't care at all, and these are problem kids that the teachers and administration have to deal with that detract from the education that everybody else is getting.

So, here you go again, reading things that aren't there ... telling people they said things they didn't say and then calling them arrogant and hypocritical based on the idiotic **** you made up in your own f'n head.

Good WhiteTailEER.

So you do favor school choice vouchers for the vast majority of poor parents with kids trapped in inferior Public schools who do care about their children getting a quality education right?

You are correct Sir, you didn't specifically say poor parents don't care, but you only mentioned well off Parents who do.

So I did extrapolate from your omission of poor people that you:

Either are a total hypocrite claiming you "care" about their overall Welfare and lack of quality educational options (which I do care about and so stated)

or

You are totally isolated, ignorant, insolent, or arrogant when it comes to the valid concerns of poor people who are forced to send their kids to lousy failing Public schools yet you blame the school system's failures on Parent's lack of concern about their kid's own education which you did in fact fact use as an excuse to justify the sh*tty performance of the lousy Public schools their kids attend.

So either way out of ignorance or arrogance you have no credibility in this thread.

Put me back on ignore.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Good WhiteTailEER.

So you do favor school choice vouchers for the vast majority of poor parents with kids trapped in inferior Public schools who do care about their children getting a quality education right?

You are correct Sir, you didn't specifically say poor parents don't care, but you only mentioned well off Parents who do.

So I did extrapolate from your omission of poor people that you:

Either are a total hypocrite claiming you "care" about their overall Welfare and lack of quality educational options (which I do care about and so stated)

or

You are totally isolated, ignorant, insolent, or arrogant when it comes to the valid concerns of poor people who are forced to send their kids to lousy failing Public schools yet you blame the school system's failures on Parent's lack of concern about their kid's own education which you did in fact fact use as an excuse to justify the sh*tty performance of the lousy Public schools their kids attend.

So either way out of ignorance or arrogance you have no credibility in this thread.

Put me back on ignore.

Once again ... I didn't say or suggest any of those things.

I was only making a point on some of the predominant reasons private schools are better.

But off you go, spinning this way and that way and every which way to convince yourself things were said or implied that were never said or implied.

"So I did extrapolate from your omission of poor people that you:" ..... "So either way out of ignorance or arrogance you have no credibility in this thread."

So, you admit that the ignorance or arrogance that you accuse me of is from your own extrapolation of what I didn't say. Think about that long and hard.

I didn't say it.

Because I didn't, you extrapolated to presume to know how I feel about all of those issues. Even though I said nothing about them whatsoever.

Because of your own extrapolation and assumptions ... you call me isolated, ignorant, insolent, or arrogant. Even though I said nothing about those points whatsoever.

Let all of that sink in.

And then maybe you can explain to me how it isn't you who is ignorant and arrogant to assume so much and then hurl insults based on your assumptions.

Or you can just go ahead and f' off altogether you ignorant and arrogant twit.

 

[atlkvb]

Once again ... I didn't say or suggest any of those things.

I was only making a point on some of the predominant reasons private schools are better.

But off you go, spinning this way and that way and every which way to convince yourself things were said or implied that were never said or implied.

"So I did extrapolate from your omission of poor people that you:" ..... "So either way out of ignorance or arrogance you have no credibility in this thread."

So, you admit that the ignorance or arrogance that you accuse me of is from your own extrapolation of what I didn't say. Think about that long and hard.

I didn't say it.

Because I didn't, you extrapolated to presume to know how I feel about all of those issues. Even though I said nothing about them whatsoever.

Because of your own extrapolation and assumptions ... you call me isolated, ignorant, insolent, or arrogant. Even though I said nothing about those points whatsoever.

Let all of that sink in.

And then maybe you can explain to me how it isn't you who is ignorant and arrogant to assume so much and then hurl insults based on your assumptions.

Or you can just go ahead and f' off altogether you ignorant and arrogant twit.

I thought you had me ignore and don't read my posts?

So you're a liar too in addition to being an arrogant elitist?

Do yourself a favor and spare your reputation. Post your oleaginous filth to yourself.

I stand by my assertion that you know nothing about the struggles poor people face trying to achieve a quality education for their children, and no one asked you for your opinion anyway.

The thread was clean and respectful until you came in with your sewage and contaminated it.

Please put me back on ignore, you are taxing your mind reading whatever I have to say, much less comprehending it.

 

[atlkvb]

Once again ... I didn't say or suggest any of those things

Uh yes you did:

post #102 "there are a lot of kids in public schools whose parents don't care at all"

post #97 "they are dealing with probably 50% of kids that have no aspirations for college at all, and probably 90% of those are because of the attitude of the parents"

Then you had the nerve to post this in #104
"I said nothing about those points whatsoever."

You're so arrogant, you don't even remember your own arrogant posts!

And you accuse me of being what I simply read from you?

Nice.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

I thought you had me ignore and don't read my posts?

So you're a liar too in addition to being an arrogant elitist?

Do yourself a favor and spare your reputation. Post your oleaginous filth to yourself.

I stand by my assertion that you know nothing about the struggles poor people face trying to achieve a quality education for their children, and no one asked you for your opinion anyway.

The thread was clean and respectful until you came in with your sewage and contaminated it.

Please put me back on ignore, you are taxing your mind reading whatever I have to say, much less comprehending it.

I was talking to DD, and you commented on what I said or didn't say ... and then started with the name calling ... so don't claim victim now and say that I contaminated anything.

I do have you on ignore. I clicked "show ignored posts" because of something else and saw your ignorant tripe responding to my posts. So, no I'm not a liar, and "arrogant elitist" still comes only from your extrapolation and assumptions based on what I didn't say.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Uh yes you did:

post #102 "there are a lot of kids in public schools whose parents don't care at all"

post #97 "they are dealing with probably 50% of kids that have no aspirations for college at all, and probably 90% of those are because of the attitude of the parents"

Then you had the nerve to post this in #104
"I said nothing about those points whatsoever."

You're so arrogant, you don't even remember your own arrogant posts!

And you accuse me of being what I simply read from you?

Nice.

OK, post #102 ... are you saying that isn't true? Because it is true. However, you took that further to say that I was saying to nobody from low income school districts care about education ... I never said that ... I said there is a lot ... and it's true. So, once again you can go f' yourself on that.

post #97: https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=51
Only 44% of HS graduates are immediate enrollees into 4 year colleges. It's 68% when factoring in 2 year schools, but I was only considering 4 year colleges when I estimated 50% ... and wasn't that far off. So, you can go f' yourself on that too.

post #104: was in response to your post regarding what I said about this or that ... and I hadn't said anything about those points you were making in that post. So, you can go f' yourself on that too.

Go back again ... you admitted to extrapolating and assuming 2 specific stances I must have because of what I didn't say, and then called me arrogant, elitist, ignorant and any number of other things based on that. And for the record, neither of the stances you claimed I have that lead you to those conclusions are close to what my stances actually are ... so you can you f' yourself once again.

 

[atlkvb]

I was talking to DD, and you commented on what I said or didn't say ... and then started with the name calling ... so don't claim victim now and say that I contaminated anything.

I do have you on ignore. I clicked "show ignored posts" because of something else and saw your ignorant tripe responding to my posts. So, no I'm not a liar, and "arrogant elitist" still comes only from your extrapolation and assumptions based on what I didn't say.

Read post 106 WhitetailEER and tell me you didn't say the things you claim you didn't say about Parents who have kids trapped in Public schools?

I was speaking specifically of poor Parents (a large majority of Parents who send their kids to Public schools are poor) but we can talk Parents in general if you wish.

I'm not sure how you got into the thread. Since I don't have you on ignore, I probably did respond to something you posted in it but my point was defending Parents who are trapped in Public schools not blaming them for the school's failure.

Look we disagree. That's fine. I really try to avoid name calling so if you feel I was directing my comments at you rather than characterizing some of your comments I do apologize.

I don't have to put you on ignore to ignore what you say, in the heat of give and take I'm simply responding to posts in a thread as they come in.

If you don't like what I have to say fine, then don't respond to what I say. If I see something you post and respond to it, I'm just adding to the discussion thread you don't have to read it if you don't want to.

I only can respond to what you say, and you said a lot in that thread about Parents with kids stuck in Public schools because as I mentioned I grew up poor but I was lucky my Parents were not forced to rely on Public schools for my education.

I'm glad they didn't so I'd like to see more poor Parents with better options than attending only failing Public schools.

If you don't understand that, well I'm sorry there is nothing else I can say to you.

 

[atlkvb]

OK, post #102 ... are you saying that isn't true? Because it is true. However, you took that further to say that I was saying to nobody from low income school districts care about education ... I never said that ... I said there is a lot ... and it's true. So, once again you can go f' yourself on that.

post #97: https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=51
Only 44% of HS graduates are immediate enrollees into 4 year colleges. It's 68% when factoring in 2 year schools, but I was only considering 4 year colleges when I estimated 50% ... and wasn't that far off. So, you can go f' yourself on that too.

post #104: was in response to your post regarding what I said about this or that ... and I hadn't said anything about those points you were making in that post. So, you can go f' yourself on that too.

Go back again ... you admitted to extrapolating and assuming 2 specific stances I must have because of what I didn't say, and then called me arrogant, elitist, ignorant and any number of other things based on that. And for the record, neither of the stances you claimed I have that lead you to those conclusions are close to what my stances actually are ... so you can you f' yourself once again.

WhitetailEER, do you favor school tuition vouchers for poor Parents to place their students in a school of their own choice?

That's my position, what's yours?

Just explain your position on that without your lurid suggestions of how I can have sex with myself please?

 

[WhiteTailEER]

WhitetailEER, do you favor school tuition vouchers for poor Parents to place their students in a school of their own choice?

That's my position, what's yours?

Just explain your position on that without your lurid suggestions of how I can have sex with myself please?

f' means fudge

there you go interpreting nasty things again

 

[atlkvb]

f' means fudge

there you go interpreting nasty things again

My bad...guess I have a dirty mind.[winking]

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Read post 106 WhitetailEER and tell me you didn't say the things you claim you didn't say about Parents who have kids trapped in Public schools?

I was speaking specifically of poor Parents (a large majority of Parents who send their kids to Public schools are poor) but we can talk Parents in general if you wish.

I'm not sure how you got into the thread. Since I don't have you on ignore, I probably did respond to something you posted in it but my point was defending Parents who are trapped in Public schools not blaming them for the school's failure.

Look we disagree. That's fine. I really try to avoid name calling so if you feel I was directing my comments at you rather than characterizing some of your comments I do apologize.

I don't have to put you on ignore to ignore what you say, in the heat of give and take I'm simply responding to posts in a thread as they come in.

If you don't like what I have to say fine, then don't respond to what I say. If I see something you post and respond to it, I'm just adding to the discussion thread you don't have to read it if you don't want to.

I only can respond to what you say, and you said a lot in that thread about Parents with kids stuck in Public schools because as I mentioned I grew up poor but I was lucky my Parents were not forced to rely on Public schools for my education.

I'm glad they didn't so I'd like to see more poor Parents with better options than attending only failing Public schools.

If you don't understand that, well I'm sorry there is nothing else I can say to you.

I understand perfectly what you say ... my issue is your name calling and everything because of things you assume in your head that I probably might have meant. It is you that either doesn't understand what is written, or takes off a million miles an hour in a direction that had little to do with what was actually said.

I never mentioned anything about parents who have kids trapped in public schools ... trapped suggests they want their kids out, which suggests they care about education. However, my point was that there are a lot of kids in public schools that don't care about education because their parents don't care all that much (and let's be clear, YOU inserted an inference that I was talking about poor people). But if a kid is in private school, then obviously their parents care about education and so their chance of success is a lot higher.

That was my point. My point of view comes from having a mother that was a teacher, an ex-wife that was a teacher, a cousin who is an administrator, a number of friends that are teachers and administrators and coaches in the area. Once again, there are a lot of kids in public school that don't care about education ... around here they think they are just going to get out and work on the farm or go into the coal mines. But there are a lot of kids that do care about education too ... again ... one of the problems with public schools is the amount of time and effort that goes into dealing with kids that don't really care and cause distractions that take away from the instruction.

I wasn't talking bad about poor people. I was talking about people that don't care about education, never mentioned or implied anything about income. Again, that was once again your inference which you then used to call me elitist.

The truth is that we don't even disagree on the majority of the points about public schools vs. private ..... but you assumed we did and started with the liberal arrogance and hypocrisy and everything else name calling without actually ever asking what I thought on the specific issues you extrapolated from my original thoughts. And it is those actions that make you an *******.

 

[atlkvb]

The truth is that we don't even disagree on the majority of the points about public schools vs. private

I'm not sure about that because you never answered my question to you about school choice vouchers which was the whole point of my posts in that entire thread.

That's fine. I said where I stand on them, and I don't blame Parents or students for the poor results Public schools offer disguised as education.

We can do better, and Private schools or Charter schools by and large do offer better results everything else considered.

 

[Boomboom521]

I'm not sure about that because you never answered my question to you about school choice vouchers which was the whole point of my posts in that entire thread.

That's fine. I said where I stand on them, and I don't blame Parents or students for the poor results Public schools offer disguised as education.

We can do better, and Private schools or Charter schools by and large do offer better results everything else considered.

Are you saying there are NO quality public schools anywhere in the nation?

 

[atlkvb]

Are you saying there are NO quality public schools anywhere in the nation?

No. I'm saying by comparison to Private schools that compete against them (and Charter schools) they perform at higher levels of achievement and produce better overall results for larger percentages of their students.

Where Public schools do well, they are the exceptions rather than the rule. Where Private schools fail, they are the exceptions rather than the rule.

 

[MountaineerWV]

No. I'm saying by comparison to Private schools that compete against them (and Charter schools) they perform at higher levels of achievement and produce better overall results for larger percentages of their students.

Where Public schools do well, they are the exceptions rather than the rule. Where Private schools fail, they are the exceptions rather than the rule.

Just another idiotic statement with NO FACTS to back it up. If what you say is true, then that would mean the the overwhelming majority of public schools are failing. Yet, that is NOT the case. In fact, here is your "exception" statistic:

Only 10% of public schools are labeled as "failing".........WHOA! [pfftt] And even the highest numbers are well less than 35% "failing" under the ridiculous standards set by NCLB.

 

[Boomboom521]

No. I'm saying by comparison compared to Private schools that compete against them (and Charter schools) they perform at higher levels of achievement and produce better overall results for larger percentages of their students.

Where Public schools do well, they are the exceptions rather than the rule. Where Private schools fail, they are the exceptions rather than the rule.

Public schools can excel. Private schools can fail. Vouchers? How does that not get even more expensive as a common option?

 

[MountaineerWV]

Public schools can excel. Private schools can fail. Vouchers? How does that not get even more expensive as a common option?

Conservatives want to pump money in to helping "poor" people in education, but they say "F**K YOU" to them when it comes to health care. Funny, isn't it?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Conservatives want to pump money in to helping "poor" people in education, but they say "F**K YOU" to them when it comes to health care. Funny, isn't it?

Yea, we want to teach them to fish, not inhibit my own ability to fish.

And I just think the limosine liberals are good with all of the other guilt programs but when the minorities might end up in the same school with their kids? No fvcking way.