For Those Who Want Stoops Fired

[CHAMPCAT11]

nobody "wants" to fire stoops. but damn, if its proven that he cant coach thats what has to happen. non of us "want" to be in this position, having this discussion.

Somebody made a good point several posts back. This thread is from December of 2015. Not sure everybody's aware of this. I started getting 'likes' for something I posted and I was like WTF ?? Hey keep it going but I'm not even sure the OP posts anymore. If I'm wrong somebody jump on me but this thing got pulled out of the ashes.

 

[BARRYBLUE1]

Reminder--2006 LSU 49 UK 0
Next game-- UK Upset Miss St

 

[AlbanyWildCat]

This is flat out false. In all walks. I don't know who's repeating this, but it's a complete lie.

Divide ticket sales by 60'000 and multiply it times 6 or 7. If you think that doesn't add up and play a huge role, you're living on Neptune

We never have 60K sitting home...ever. Much less 6-7 home games a year.

The SEC paid us over $32M last year without regards to how many we put in Commonwealth.

 

[morgousky]

We never have 60K sitting home...ever. Much less 6-7 home games a year.

The SEC paid us over $32M last year without regards to how many we put in Commonwealth.

Well someone's lying. The figures showed 61,200 last season average, and 57,000 in '15.

And we've had top 25 attendance figures through the mid 2,000's as well.

 

[AlbanyWildCat]

We never have 60K sitting home...ever.

Well someone's lying. The figures showed 61,200 last season average, and 57,000 in '15.

And we've had top 25 attendance figures through the mid 2,000's as well.

I'm going to gather it's you...

 

[morgousky]

I'm going to gather it's you...

2015 Average Attendance 2014 Average Attendance Percent Increase/Decrease
Alabama Bryant-Denny Stadium 101,112 101,534 Down 0.41%
Arkansas D.W.R. Razorback Stadium 67,326 66,521 Up 1.19%
Auburn Jordan-Hare Stadium 87,451 87,451 Same
Florida Ben Hill Griffin Stadium 90,065 85,834 Up 4.3%
Georgia Sanford Stadium 92,746 92,746 Same
Kentucky Commonwealth Stadium 61,295 57,572 Up 6.5%
LSU Tiger Stadium 93,441 104,909 Down 10.9%
Miss. State Davis Wade Stadium 61,784 61,127 Up 1.1%
Missouri Memorial Stadium 65,120 65,285 Down 0.25%
Ole Miss Vaught-Hemingway Stadium 60,479 61,547 Down 1.74%
South Carolina Williams Brice Stadium 78,822 81,381 Down 3.1%
Tennessee Neyland Stadium 100,584 99,754 Up 0.83%
Texas A&M Kyle Field 103,622 105,123 Down 1.43%
Vanderbilt Vanderbilt Stadium 32,134 34,258 Down 6.2%
We’ll be looking at a completely different scenario next year for Kentucky. With the way this season ended and the disappointment all across the fan base, UK is the odds-on favorite to have the largest decrease in attendance in 2016.

 

[LowCountryCat]

Reminder--2006 LSU 49 UK 0
Next game-- UK Upset Miss St

LSU =/= USM

 

[Rawrrr]

Hey let's round it off and give Stoops an even decade, nice round number. You know, because he's a good guy. That was the reason given by Joker danglers like the OP, who ironically are now Stoops danglers, for giving him a never ending "next year to turn things around". Six more carbon copies of the first 4 suckfest seasons will fly by before you know it. And there's the remote possibility UK will break .500 in one of them. Then we can all put that season on a pedestal and huddle around to bathe in it's glory as the most successful in the last 12 years, and worship at the feet of Mark Stoops for giving us a 6 win season.

 

[sluggercatfan]

All of you who want Stoops fired after year #3, ask yourself a question, where is UK in the pecking order of South Carolina and Missouri?

Some need a shot of reality in the arm. UK is 3rd in the pecking order of South Carolina and Missouri. With all these openings that happened this off season South Carolina hired a proven loser who hired the same OC that he had at Florida, and everyone turned down the Missouri job and so they had to hire the DC as the head coach. Seriously, do you people want DJ Eliot or Shannon Dawson as your head coach? That's the equivalent that you'd get if you fired Stoops right now.

People saying that not firing Stoops is delaying the inevitable, but what do you do when you have an offseason with the most openings that FBS has seen and schools in a higher pecking order than you fail to make a splash hire. Logic will tell you that the inevitable would be that you hire someone with a fraction of the coaching ability as Stoops, and you would hire then for a 3 year period where recruiting wouldn't be nearly as good, thus delaying anything that the next Head Coach could do with a talent deficient roster like the one Stoops inherited. Which means you begin the circle of failure again.
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For those who said Stoops doesn't know what he's doing, ask yourself this question... Why did he figure it out for the first half of the season 2 years in a row, but not the 2nd half?

Another shot of reality needs to be given to some. Starting 4-1 this season, and starting 5-1 last season obviously shows that Stoops has figured it out enough to have his team playing competitively and inspired for the first half of the season. For those who is comparing Stoops to Joker, ask yourself when did Joker do that? I like Joker and know him, but the staff and the head coach from that era to this era is night and day. Joker had an issue with assembling a team, let alone even playing a game. Stoops' problem is figuring out how to get his players to sustain the energy and competitiveness that they start the season with. That's a far cry from Joker!

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Do any of you realize that Mark Stoops inherited the worst roster of any team in a P5 conference? That's not just me saying it, several pundits have said that and continue to say that. It was remarkable that Stoops even began last season with a 5-1 record. For those who think James Franklin did a remarkable job, go and look at how many Vandy players he inherited sniffed the NFL. I'll give you a hint, it was more than he inherited at Penn State. The outcome of his lack of success at Penn State compared to when he was at Vandy is no coincidence. So don't compare what James Franklin did at Vandy to what Mark Stoops is doing at UK. Bottom line is the NFL players Stoops inherited are Avery Williamson and Bud Dupree, the rest he's recruited himself or converted from a WR to a LB and developed them himself. Crazy thing is Bud Dupree said himself that he developed more under Stoops in 1 year than he did his entire time under Joker. I really believe you guys think UK is in a better position than we really are.

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Another dose of reality needs to be given to fans who think they'll pull another successful head coach from another team at this level. Mark Stoops was a coordinator, Joker was a coordinator, Rich Brooks was former NFL DC who was out of work, Guy Morris was an OLine coach off of a staff that left because of NCAA infractions, Hal Mumme was a D3 head coach, Bill Curry was a head coach who was about to be let go..... News flash all UK is going to be able to get from a high level school is a coordinator, and as long as that is the case, we will have to deal with a HC who is learning on the job. Sure we can go get Mark Hudspeth, but recruiting will severely suffer, I'm talking someone who is struggling to land Joker like recruits. If you look at the SEC's history of HC's coming in without any prior HC experience it ain't good. For every Philip Fulmer there are like 10 Will Muschamp's. Unless UK suddenly jumps up in stature, its best Head Coaches will always be coordinators. That unfortunately comes with a learning curve and it will always take them some years to get over that learning curve. Yeah you could find a James Franklin, but that's rare. Are you willing to fire the next 5 or 10 HC's to find a James Franklin who inherits a nice roster, or will you let a coordinator go through his pains of being a first time HC while showing competence and recruiting the best in program history and let him build something out of what was previously nothing?

Mike Leach. .Jeff Brohm

 

[sluggercatfan]

All of you who want Stoops fired after year #3, ask yourself a question, where is UK in the pecking order of South Carolina and Missouri?

Some need a shot of reality in the arm. UK is 3rd in the pecking order of South Carolina and Missouri. With all these openings that happened this off season South Carolina hired a proven loser who hired the same OC that he had at Florida, and everyone turned down the Missouri job and so they had to hire the DC as the head coach. Seriously, do you people want DJ Eliot or Shannon Dawson as your head coach? That's the equivalent that you'd get if you fired Stoops right now.

People saying that not firing Stoops is delaying the inevitable, but what do you do when you have an offseason with the most openings that FBS has seen and schools in a higher pecking order than you fail to make a splash hire. Logic will tell you that the inevitable would be that you hire someone with a fraction of the coaching ability as Stoops, and you would hire then for a 3 year period where recruiting wouldn't be nearly as good, thus delaying anything that the next Head Coach could do with a talent deficient roster like the one Stoops inherited. Which means you begin the circle of failure again.
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

For those who said Stoops doesn't know what he's doing, ask yourself this question... Why did he figure it out for the first half of the season 2 years in a row, but not the 2nd half?

Another shot of reality needs to be given to some. Starting 4-1 this season, and starting 5-1 last season obviously shows that Stoops has figured it out enough to have his team playing competitively and inspired for the first half of the season. For those who is comparing Stoops to Joker, ask yourself when did Joker do that? I like Joker and know him, but the staff and the head coach from that era to this era is night and day. Joker had an issue with assembling a team, let alone even playing a game. Stoops' problem is figuring out how to get his players to sustain the energy and competitiveness that they start the season with. That's a far cry from Joker!

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Do any of you realize that Mark Stoops inherited the worst roster of any team in a P5 conference? That's not just me saying it, several pundits have said that and continue to say that. It was remarkable that Stoops even began last season with a 5-1 record. For those who think James Franklin did a remarkable job, go and look at how many Vandy players he inherited sniffed the NFL. I'll give you a hint, it was more than he inherited at Penn State. The outcome of his lack of success at Penn State compared to when he was at Vandy is no coincidence. So don't compare what James Franklin did at Vandy to what Mark Stoops is doing at UK. Bottom line is the NFL players Stoops inherited are Avery Williamson and Bud Dupree, the rest he's recruited himself or converted from a WR to a LB and developed them himself. Crazy thing is Bud Dupree said himself that he developed more under Stoops in 1 year than he did his entire time under Joker. I really believe you guys think UK is in a better position than we really are.

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Another dose of reality needs to be given to fans who think they'll pull another successful head coach from another team at this level. Mark Stoops was a coordinator, Joker was a coordinator, Rich Brooks was former NFL DC who was out of work, Guy Morris was an OLine coach off of a staff that left because of NCAA infractions, Hal Mumme was a D3 head coach, Bill Curry was a head coach who was about to be let go..... News flash all UK is going to be able to get from a high level school is a coordinator, and as long as that is the case, we will have to deal with a HC who is learning on the job. Sure we can go get Mark Hudspeth, but recruiting will severely suffer, I'm talking someone who is struggling to land Joker like recruits. If you look at the SEC's history of HC's coming in without any prior HC experience it ain't good. For every Philip Fulmer there are like 10 Will Muschamp's. Unless UK suddenly jumps up in stature, its best Head Coaches will always be coordinators. That unfortunately comes with a learning curve and it will always take them some years to get over that learning curve. Yeah you could find a James Franklin, but that's rare. Are you willing to fire the next 5 or 10 HC's to find a James Franklin who inherits a nice roster, or will you let a coordinator go through his pains of being a first time HC while showing competence and recruiting the best in program history and let him build something out of what was previously nothing?

No longer has to be the case I believe...NOBODY in the the country has facilities now that are any better KENTUCKY. We have never beeni in this spot before...I DO NOT want to see Coordinators get this job anymore. We now have what we need to be able to bring in a bright innovative coach...When MS is let go--and my personal belief is he is in WAY over his head--I WOLD LIKE TO SEE MB BITE THE BULLET AND SWALLOW HIS PRIDE and form a committee of Howard Schnellenberger, Tim Couch, Dermonti Dawson, Rich Brooks and maybe couple more and find that individual...once again I see would to see that search start with jet Brohm or Mike Leach...GOCATS!!! Oh and by the way, this is year 4 and MS first graduating class and we should be seeing marked improvement. Have we, will we?

 

[LowCountryCat]

No longer has to be the case I believe...NOBODY in the the country has facilities now that are any better KENTUCKY. We have never beeni in this spot before...I DO NOT want to see Coordinators get this job anymore. We now have what we need to be able to bring in a bright innovative coach...When MS is let go--and my personal belief is he is in WAY over his head--I WOLD LIKE TO SEE MB BITE THE BULLET AND SWALLOW HIS PRIDE and form a committee of Howard Schnellenberger, Tim Couch, Dermonti Dawson, Rich Brooks and maybe couple more and find that individual...once again I see would to see that search start with jet Brohm or Mike Leach...GOCATS!!! Oh and by the way, this is year 4 and MS first graduating class and we should be seeing marked improvement. Have we, will we?

Jim Tressel will be available.

 

[ukgrad83]

And to think last December I thought the over/under for this year would be 4 1/2. Looks like 2 1/2 is more likely. Good God not sure what the "coaches" are doing but that team was NOT prepared to play college football. What a nightmare. Stoops has to go. Elliot has to go. Barnhart should resign.