Former Duke player accused of rape.
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Not my opinions, Frances. All facts.Sworn to. Testified. Verified. Vetted. Witnessed.
My opinion is that she has always been a lying ***** and a thief, who would suck off a Nigerian truck driver for a dollar. But those aren't facts.
Lol, maybe facts in your head. Unfortunately, in reality none of what you claim is at all factual.
She is a highly respected, educated and successful scholor, doctor, researcher and educator. She is also wealthy and highly regarded in her community as a person. She has been married 16 years, with 2 kids. Her husband and psychologist have confirmed she spoke of the attack several years prior.
What reason would she have to lie or go through everything her and her family have now been through? Use your brain and logically construct a rationale for why. Avoid plagarizing others words and thoughts and use your own. I am dying to hear this.
Money. Fame. Power. Adulation from the media. Dozens of other reasons
Why do people think women are incapable of lying ? Women lie every day just like men. They are human believe it or not.
Our instinct is to go to someone we believe we can trust
Most victims need to be convinced to go to the police...you can’t imagine the vulnerability and fear involved.
:joy: You think she is making or wants to make money for being assaulted?
You think she wants to ne famous for being assaulted?
You think she is gaining power by admitting she was assaulted? She's had to move 4 times since and basically had to go into hiding for a period with her family. You think that's gaining power?
You think being talked about by the media for a few days is really worth all that to somone already wealthy, successful and with no history of the type of behavior linked to what you're accusing her of?
Are you male or female? How many instances have you been the victim of sexual assault?
This identity politics game doesn’t fly with me. It doesn’t matter. Either you believe in due process or you don’t
Not to mention having to deal with a rape kit, photos, reliving the account multiple times to cops or detectives; most of which are men. Public reports that end up in newspapaers and on tv. Having to testify in court. Also, the aspect of not being trusted by the police or prosecutors.
There was no due process. There were no charges. There was no case. There was no trial. How can there be due process? Therefore, how can it be proven true or untrue.
You seem really confused with the American legal and justice system. If you are in fact an American, please educate yourself on it. Frankly it's embarrassing.
That doesn’t matter when we have a media that doesn’t care about facts only their own agenda
The kids that were falsely accused in the lacrosse case years ago their lives were ruined same with the coach...it didn’t matter that it was totally made up. And the media went right along with it
What? That makes no sense. What does the media have to do with whether due process existed or the facts proved true or false? C'mon, stay on topic.
Look. I think anyone who takes advantage of a woman is lower than dirt. I think men who are rapists or predators and it’s proven should be castrated or we should kill them. But I’m not gonna crucify someone based on an allegation alone and especially not if it’s years old or decades old that’s not American justice and it never has been. And too often in these situations we’re not even talking about rape or assault per se but unwanted touching or kissing etc and where alcohol is involved it’s almost impossible to determine consent and who acted wrongly. I mean are women and men not equally responsible for their actions? That’s what they’d have you believe but not when it comes to drinking and not when it comes to sex? It doesn’t compute
She had 47 hatchet men for the power establishment believe her. A court of law would never be able to prove her case because she’s a liar.
She’s a progressive activist professor. I have experience with her exact type and they believe everything is fair game in the pursuit of justice. Even lying which she was clearly doing.
I don’t know or care what your ideology is. I am not a republican nor a democrat. And I call BS when it’s BS and she was CLEARLY FOS.
One thing you always have to remember when it comes to the left and their pursuit of power is the end always justifies the means
No! When it comes to you being able to jam your dick into someone eles body, a different standard applies. As it should. Regardless of sobriety, state of mind of consiousness.
I am not saying crucify him or anyone else. I don't even necessarily disagree with his confirmation. I am simply stating the accusations weren't proven false or untrue.
Of course. How could they when it’s a 30 year old accusation? Unless someone had a video tape of him being there or not. It’s almost impossible. Particularly when she didn’t say when or where. That’s the whole point though it’s specific enough to accuse him and vague enough that no one could say it didn’t happen or it did hence casting a shadow over his appointment
Notice she gave almost no details but the one thing she was sure about was it was him. It doesn’t add up but that was all by design
Now I don’t doubt there’s an element of truth in that story but as it relates to Kavanaugh no I don’t believe it
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That's your opinion, but a strong percentage of people outside of the senate beleived her as well. Again, you only need 1 judge or a few jurors to beleive her, if it was still a triable case of course. That kind of disproves your opinion though.
A progressive activist professsor? She's mostly over research and research models. She does very little teaching. You might want to look into her background before you make the conspriracy theory claims.
How was she full of ****? Countless prosecutors, counselors, doctors. Victims all claim she is very credible. Even many of the republican senators say she appeared very honest and credible.
She had a lot of details. She was very specific on the room, the lay out and the actual assault. It's not uncommon at all for victims to forget or block out other details. Particularly 30+ years later. That proves very little.
But none of what you said disproves it either. Which was the point.
She doesnt know the Dean personally though. He is as unfamiliar to her personally as the police.
Perhaps she knew of or was told on advice by someone else that had reached out to the dean in a similar situation?
There were similar untrue allegations against Chuck Hayes in his last year at UK. Anyone that is proven to be a rapist deserves a lengthy amount of time in prison, but even a Duke player deserves the constitutional protection of being presumed innocent until proven guilty.
So maybe another woman was raped and instead of calling the police she reported it to the alleged do nothing Dean and was so impressed by him that she recommended that she should go to him instead of the police? That's a lot to believe.
Just a FYI for all you people who see this as plausible, if you're the victim of a crime, especially a serious crime, the police is the people you should notify. I thought this was basic common sense but apparently not.
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You're assuming he offered the same result in the previous incident and all circumstance were similar. That is simply not logical. You are also implying how all victims should or do respond based on no experience within this situation.
Yeah, its basic common sense that if you're the victim of a serious crime that you report it to the police if you choose to report it. You don't report it to the Dean, a football coach, or the mailman.
Agree. Some women feel ashamed or think they put themselves in a position as if they went into a dorm drinking. If you're a student and report it to the dean that should be enough. She might feel like it's an athlete and they will have power. Who knows, but all accusations should be taken seriously. Did Mich St not teach us anything?
Well That's that, Rat Face said he knew nothing about it, and will refuse to talk about it, so this story will die faster that Izzo's did this past summer. Actually it will last about as long as Pitino's manhood did that night with Karen !!Statement from Duke AD
There is no rule or mandate about who you report things to. Lot's of people seek out other people in positions of power or leadership. Again, when were you sexually assaulted and how did you respond? What was going through your mind? Who did you trust talking to about it?
I think the situation is kind of hinky to be honest. I was speaking generally. In her case though, if she’s not lying, it could be that he was an authority figure she thought would help her. I don’t know.
People don’t always use “common sense” when victims of a traumatic experience.
As I stated before, the fear and vulnerability a victim feels can be utterly overwhelming.
People don’t always use “common sense” when victims of a traumatic experience.
As I stated before, the fear and vulnerability a victim feels can be utterly overwhelming.
Like I said, no person should ever touch a woman without her consent. Never.
Don't try and make comments trying to make me out of some male ******* who does not respect women.
Read my comments again.
I watched a person go thru lies about assault personally only to watch the accuser admit she lied.
This past summer/fall the whole country watched a man go thru hell accused of something that had BS facts all around it.
Just like when a policeman does his job, people rush to judgement; same as assaults; show me the facts so a sound judgement can be made.
There is a phrase in this country that means something to me; You are innocent until proven guilty.
That is something liberals do not understand.
This isn't like sexual assault. You're not forced into or made to read it or take part.
On my God, now they will have to tear down another Confederate monument. This is General Lee's fault.