Franklin is Out as Head Coach

[op2]

No one should want a Paterno. Everything that Joe believed in is out of the window now. These guys are professionals are getting paid. Just a few years back that was considered the worst thing to get caught doing.

Education? Plsyers are making few hundred thousand a year to a few million a year while getting paid to play. All they have to do is stay eligible. That grand experiment doesn't exist anymore and if you want to be competitive in football you're going to have to put out for the best players, coach them up, and win championships.

Before players were getting paid, they were short term incentivized to neglect school in favor of football for short term football glory, but they were long term incentivized to neglect football in favor of school because a good education paid off over the long term.

But now things have changed. A good education still pays off over the long term, but now in addition to short term glory of being a football star they also get a lot of money that can help them over the long term if they don't squander it.

If you work like crazy at football this year and get a lot better as a result, while taking easy classes than you don't have to put effort into, you can convert that into hundreds of thousands more dollars next year. You can then use that to fund your future, whether to get more education or start a business or whatever.

 

[doctornick]

It’s true that it is a very risky move. I believe it had to happen at this point as the team was not doing the very basics in what was believed to be a natty type season. But it’s true that it has the potential to send us to Nebraska and Florida territories as much as it has the chance to get us over the hump to win it all.

Sure, but we just lost to UCLA and Northwestern - so we basically are in that "wandering in the desert" state already. If Franklin was having his typical "9-10 win, don't beat anyone great" season he wouldn't have been fired.

 

[Psurosco]

Guys, Joe Brady is going to turn this around quickly.

Could it be package deal. Pegula gives $56M and Joe Brady be new HC

 

[op2]

People are talking like Adidas gave PSU some money to buy out CJF. Can that be real? It sounds odd. What incentive would Adidas have to do that? If you're going to tell me that it benefits Adidas to have their logo on a better team I'd respond that there is (of course) no guarantee PSU will be better with a different coach.

Just out of curiosity, what would happen if a rule was passed that apparel companies were not allowed to sponsor a school or put their logo on uniforms, etc. I know it will never actually happen but just play along.

Schools would buy uniforms from whoever made them but the cost would be only for the uniforms. Is it the case now that Nike, Adidas, etc gives the schools uniforms for free plus gives them money to have the company logo on everything? If so and if that was banned then the schools would get no money from that and would also be out the money they used to purchase the equipment.

Would that necessarily be bad? It'd be less money for A school but it'd also be less money for EVERY school, so there's no competitive disadvantage for anyone built in.

The apparel companies would lose money but so what?

The more I type this out the more I like the idea, although as I say I'm realistic enough to know it's never going to happen.

 

[G3624]

Losing Money? That's what college sports is about.

 

[PSUcup]

Test

 

[ZJSARENOTFREE]

What has Elko dine to deserve all the praise?

Not a PSU fan, but Elko is a stud. Duke was as good as they have ever been, and he has done the unthinkable and actually produced so far at A&M. As much as I hate A&M and their weird ****** fan base, that dude can coach and gives them a shot to win it all this year.

 

[WestSideLion]

Good point. At the very least, it didn’t help. I’m sure it was a distraction, as it could have led to questions by recruits and their parents. Franklin also seems like a thinker and one who doesn’t easily dismiss things. I also believe that he cares about people and what people think of him. The lawsuit likely weighed on him.

We may never know for sure, but you just have to wonder what came out during discovery and trial prep? While I think anything egregious would have led to action last year, this may be one more notch in the liability column that convinced Kraft to move now.

Side note: it's uncanny how much Kraft looks, acts and sounds like Matt Rhule. It's like they both use the same "dude" coach or playbook.

 

[JoeBagobagels]

Before players were getting paid, they were short term incentivized to neglect school in favor of football for short term football glory, but they were long term incentivized to neglect football in favor of school because a good education paid off over the long term.

But now things have changed. A good education still pays off over the long term, but now in addition to short term glory of being a football star they also get a lot of money that can help them over the long term if they don't squander it.

If you work like crazy at football this year and get a lot better as a result, while taking easy classes than you don't have to put effort into, you can convert that into hundreds of thousands more dollars next year. You can then use that to fund your future, whether to get more education or start a business or whatever.

Yeah, I get it, bit people who had to take out student loans don't necessarily see this as a good thing.

 

[Anon1754923206]

Not a PSU fan, but Elko is a stud. Duke was as good as they have ever been, and he has done the unthinkable and actually produced so far at A&M. As much as I hate A&M and their weird ****** fan base, that dude can coach and gives them a shot to win it all this year.

A state penn cult fan whining about another fan base as “weird *****” is rich rich, high calorie irony!

 

[bwc]

Not a PSU fan, but Elko is a stud. Duke was as good as they have ever been, and he has done the unthinkable and actually produced so far at A&M. As much as I hate A&M and their weird ****** fan base, that dude can coach and gives them a shot to win it all this year.

A state penn cult fan whining about another fan base as “weird *****” is rich rich, high calorie irony!

Apparently, reading isn't fundamental where you're from.

 

[Psurosco]

Guys, Joe Brady is going to turn this around quickly.

Was that a condition of Pegula buyout money?

 

[Soundfisher]

Money won't fix the wound this will leave on him.

Money won't. But he will get another chance. Looking at things from the outside, teams will be more than willing to hire a coach who won 34 games in the last 3 seasons. And yes, it will be a Power 4 team. Guaranteed.

 

[Soundfisher]

The job is to win. Not be a nice guy.

34 games in 3 seasons is WINNING

 

[PSUcup]

Money won't. But he will get another chance. Looking at things from the outside, teams will be more than willing to hire a coach who won 34 games in the last 3 seasons. And yes, it will be a Power 4 team. Guaranteed.

Doubt it will be a power 4 team who thinks they should be winning titles (IE: Auburn). But certainly a power 4 teams that wants to win 8/9 games a year (IE: UNC)

 

[cntblvitsbutter]

Money won't. But he will get another chance. Looking at things from the outside, teams will be more than willing to hire a coach who won 34 games in the last 3 seasons. And yes, it will be a Power 4 team. Guaranteed.

Yup, take a year or two off. Then the stink of these 3 losses will have faded a little bit, and he can get a job making 4-5mm at a place like VT.

 

[EricStratton-RushChairman]

Question i have... a good friend was head baseball coach at OU. He was let go with a year left on his contract. If he took another job then OU doesn't have to pay his last year if he is getting paid same/more. So he took a year non paying gig at LSU as an assistant and now is head baseball coach at K State.

Would Franklin's buyout work the same way?

 

[Keyser Soze 16802]

Interesting take on CJF from Marcus Hayes

LINK

 

[Catch1lion]

Duke coach Manny Diaz, who worked as defensive coordinator for Franklin for two years in 2022-23 after he was fired from his first head coaching job at Miami, weighed in on the news.

“There’s three things you go through when you’re a coach: The honeymoon phase, the please don’t leave phase and the please leave phase. And it can change in three weeks,” Diaz said Monday.

 

[SleepyLion]

Question i have... a good friend was head baseball coach at OU. He was let go with a year left on his contract. If he took another job then OU doesn't have to pay his last year if he is getting paid same/more. So he took a year non paying gig at LSU as an assistant and now is head baseball coach at K State.

Would Franklin's buyout work the same way?

That is usually how these contracts work. But Sandy might have had a different idea.

 

[WestSideLion]

That is usually how these contracts work. But Sandy might have had a different idea.

It gets interesting if Franklin winds up being as in demand this coaching cycle as some think.

It would be hard to take the head gig at a P5 program for next to nothing. PSU would and should sue over that.

If a Va Tech or Auburn hired Franklin, then no way is PSU on the hook for more than a million or two a year. That may be part of Kraft’s calculus.

 

[Lil Nicky Scarfo]

Not a PSU fan, but Elko is a stud. Duke was as good as they have ever been, and he has done the unthinkable and actually produced so far at A&M. As much as I hate A&M and their weird ****** fan base, that dude can coach and gives them a shot to win it all this year.

Yup. A&M is finally winning the type of games they’ve lost FOR decades. I’m very impressed with Elko and hate the Aggies

 

[Lil Nicky Scarfo]

Apparently, reading isn't fundamental where you're from.

He’s a “Rutgres” fan - it tracks

 

[EricStratton-RushChairman]

It gets interesting if Franklin winds up being as in demand this coaching cycle as some think.

It would be hard to take the head gig at a P5 program for next to nothing. PSU would and should sue over that.

If a Va Tech or Auburn hired Franklin, then no way is PSU on the hook for more than a million or two a year. That may be part of Kraft’s calculus.

That is exactly what I was thinking... i just don't see that talked about anywhere. It is how it works in pro sports as well. I think that is why his payout is yearly and not one lump sum. If he gets a job at $6m/yr the hit is really not that unreasonable.

 

[EricStratton-RushChairman]