Again this going to cost us again in big games whether regular season or postseason which will cost us dearly especially in tournament time
Free Throws
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Doubtful. We will get better shooting free throws. Myles Johnson is the one that we should be very concerned about.
Best of Luck,
Groz
Myles needs to at least bend his knees. That would at least be a start. Where are our coaches? If he does & is still unsuccessful the next step is underhanded. It works, DUH!
Myles is terrible from charity but that’s not likely to cause RU to blow games they should win. He’s not going to be on the floor anyway in the closing minutes of a close game where RU needs to inbound the ball and get fouled (or he’ll be throwing it in).
Baker’s return will help, but not having Caleb as the second in-bound option in those situations is going to be a drop off. I hope we hear more info on the prospect of him returning as a sitation player (since redshirting doesn’t do anything for eligibility anyway). IMO that could be the difference of several wins.
Baker’s return will help, but not having Caleb as the second in-bound option in those situations is going to be a drop off. I hope we hear more info on the prospect of him returning as a sitation player (since redshirting doesn’t do anything for eligibility anyway). IMO that could be the difference of several wins.
You can't tell some posters this info because they are set in their ways.
If a kid hustles, plays D,rebounds, passes well, blocks shots, is a good guy off the court and scores his fair share of points, I don’t care if he is a 50 percent free throw shooter. Like others have said, he won’t be touching the ball the last minute of games. We have all seen excellent free throw shooters who didn’t do much else.
I used to say this about Shaquille O’Neal. The guy was so dominant some years in the NBA and people would complain that he misses too many foul shots. You take the whole player.
Another great NBA player and HOF was not very good either at FT. Wilt Chamberlain. Career was 52% think hi was 58%
Obviously, great free throw shooters help teams win games. But as far as not blowing games from the line, having to rely on Mathis and Young to close out a game from charity isn’t ideal. Hopefully Geo is back before this is an issue and Paul is ready to step into that type of role as the second option.
Lots of people think this is magically going to change. True, practice can improve foul shooting...to a point. However, by the time these players reach college, they are either shooters or not...it’s not going to improve all that much, if at all.
Not true unless they don't work on getting better. There is no reason why you can't improve at the line and be at least 70-75% with repetition with decent form and coaching. Just like, there is NO reason why a decent athlete can't become a good defensive player. Coach Pikiell has proved that guys can improve as defensive players if they give the effort.
I have told this many times concerning free throw shooting. I worked with Kelvin Troy and he improved his free throw % from 58% his sophomore year to 68% his junior year to ending up with 77% his senior year. He worked extremely hard at improving at the line and was tired of his manager friend taking his money betting on who could make more when we competed against each other.
If you watch a few of our free throw shooters, they look like they should be good free throw shooters, but seem to lack some concentration(almost rushing them) at the line in games and almost look lackadaisical there at times.
Coming to mind are Montez Mathis and Jacob Young. They both show that they have the ability to be good free throw shooters, yet many times only make 1 out of 2.
I am fully confident that our free throw % will get much better. They work too hard in practice at it, to not get better.
Best of Luck,
Groz
I agree about the concentration when Johnson makes it he usually swishes it and when he misses it’s just a total brick.
Ditto on Jacob Young he usually misses the first but then it again seems like he concentrate more and makes the second shot
Many times they do look like they don't concentrate. As for practice, you can practice till your tongue hangs, but if your shooting incorrectly you never get better. Hopefully they will be coached. Doesn't look like too much good coaching has gone on for a few years now.
Is there any real chance that Caleb plays this year? I didn’t understand the article that said he would play only if someone else goes down. Either he’ll be ready or not, right? There’s no preserving eligibility with red shirt as this is a free year. Other than Geo no other guard is nearly as reliable from the line. We need him for that and halfcourt offense during conference play. Even if only a 10 min per game spark.
Myles Johnson is now 4/8 from the FT line for 50%.... the rest of the team is 34/61 (55.7%).
Yes, Myles needs to work on his FTs... but he's got plenty of company there:
1.000 - Reiber (4/4)
.700 - Young (7/10)
.625 - Harper (5/8)
.571 - Mulcahy (4/7)
.500 - Omoruyi (6/12)
.500 - Johnson (4/8)
.500 - Mag (3/6)
.500 - Baker (1/2)
.400 - Mathis (4/10)
.000 - Palmquist (0/2)
Yes, Myles needs to work on his FTs... but he's got plenty of company there:
1.000 - Reiber (4/4)
.700 - Young (7/10)
.625 - Harper (5/8)
.571 - Mulcahy (4/7)
.500 - Omoruyi (6/12)
.500 - Johnson (4/8)
.500 - Mag (3/6)
.500 - Baker (1/2)
.400 - Mathis (4/10)
.000 - Palmquist (0/2)
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We will not be the team we can be if this does not get to around 65%. Certain opponents will be putting us on the line and turn the end of games into FT shooting contests if close.
We probably won't be a good FT or 3 point shooting team this year. We weren't last year and we were still good. We will still be good this year too. If we magically become a good FT and 3 point shooting team we would be competing for the national championship. Every team has weaknesses.
Statistically its wayyyy too early to take these percentages seriously. Sample size is tinyyy but let's hope some of the returning players can at least up their percentage a little this year. No fans should make it easier
Statistically its wayyyy too early to take these percentages seriously. Sample size is tinyyy but let's hope some of the returning players can at least up their percentage a little this year. No fans should make it easier
Agree sample sizes are tiny - but that means there's also no reason to get on Myles, yet, either. Just showing that he's not the reason the team's FT% is so low right now.
agree with previous poster especially since there are zero fans in the seats so you don't have that excuse for missing free throws this year; I believe it is a lack of concentration and for some of them form which I don't understand how someone is not working with them on technique and they have to practice I mean 100's of foul shots a day which they should be doing in the off season!!!
Really! No I didn't but shot 75%-80% in HS. I believe the RU women shot 89% against Monmouth.
50 and 30 points a game every night offset it.
Hard to believe anyone can argue we need to shoot free throws better...period
I do think it’s hard, and I don’t think it’s lack of concentration....sometimes it’s to much of concentration
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As much as I would like for our team to be better shooters from the charity stripe, they offset it in other ways. They limit teams to poor shooting percentages and create easy buckets from turnovers. Also, we have a high assist to bucket ratio. So far, including last year, collectively the team has offset the free throw problems.
Not saying we shouldn't be better - just that saying "if Player X doesn't shoot Y%, then they're no good" is ridiculous. It all has to be taken on balance, as cubuffsdoug points out above.
There's no benchmark bar that a college player must shoot over - and if there were one, it'd differ by position anyway. Right now, we're below average nationally - I'd love for us to at least get to average, but that's a combination of great/poor shooters altogether for a team average.
There's no benchmark bar that a college player must shoot over - and if there were one, it'd differ by position anyway. Right now, we're below average nationally - I'd love for us to at least get to average, but that's a combination of great/poor shooters altogether for a team average.
You need players like Harper and Baker to force the action inside to get more attempts at the line. That would help the overall team percentage. That means settling for fewer outside shots.
Who said anyone is no good? You boys compare apples & oranges & keep moving the goal posts. Because a guy can do some things well doesn't excuse not being able to shoot a free throw with a reasonable degree of success. Last I checked we don't have anyone consistently getting 50 or 60 points a game. If anyone wants to defend this overall team sh#t show & argue that it won't cost us knock yourself out.
I don't think anyone is arguing that. They're just saying, don't get your hopes up that it's going to change dramatically.
Agreed its not going to change dramatically and unfortunately neither will our 3 point shooting percentage; there will be nights where we will get hot from 3 and win easily on those nights but most nights we will shoot our 30% at best from 3 and those are the nights our scrappy play and good defense will have to win the games