Ouch! FSU's board chairman clearly states the GOR will not stop them from leaving. Publicly. That is a serious line in the sand. It's ON in that league. It's so petty for the Acc to try and keep schools in their league that don't want to be.
FSU Sends First Shot Across the Acc Bow
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Just saw that is well. This is very significant news. You have multiple trustees speaking on behalf of FSU going full-on scorched earth with the ACC. One quote was that is if not if, but when they leave. At that the ACC will be a third rate conference by the end of the GOR. Another said they must have a plan in place to exit no later than 8/15/24. You better have a plan you can execute if taking that approach.
I can tell you first hand that UNC has been in ongoing discussions at the board level of getting out of the GOR. Whether that gets done or not, there is no question now. It's going to get challenged.
FSU just gave a huge middle finger to the entire Acc conference. Shocking to be so public but that tells you that relationship is over. They are going somewhere as fast as they can.
FSU just gave a huge middle finger to the entire Acc conference. Shocking to be so public but that tells you that relationship is over. They are going somewhere as fast as they can.
They can get out any time they want. Just gonna cost them 300 million to do it
Agree. You don't come out with those type of strong comments if you are only bluffing. They burned a lot of bridges/relationships/trust today with their comments.
That's the best part in all of this. We will see how much they really get out for. It ain't going to be $300MM this I can guarantee.
Once the first challenge is thrown down, it will be interesting to see if others follow or wait to see how it turns out
Show me a GOR that has been broken before and I might agree. If Texas and Oklahoma couldn't get out of theirs, no one is. The remaining ACC schools are not going to take anything less than the $120 mil. exit fee and whatever FSU makes in media rights till 2036 at their next stop. This is a lot of huff and puffing to quell the masses. You really think the remaining ACC schools are going to settle for $300 mil when they can get close to a billion at FSU's expense?
As always, we will see. FSU sure seems to think they have a case of getting out without the penalty.
These GOR's are a new thing. They haven't really been challenged before. I can't comment on the Texas/OU situation but they are playing in the SEC next season if they *only paid $50MM then it was a big win for them.
These GOR's are a new thing. They haven't really been challenged before. I can't comment on the Texas/OU situation but they are playing in the SEC next season if they *only paid $50MM then it was a big win for them.
Texas and OU had to wait until the Big 12's GOR ran out. You don't think they investigated every single way possible to get out early? They tried and found out these things are all written in the same language and airtight.
But did they? They waited two years. Seems like an easy out. No one really has challenged it yet. Not in court.
The Acc GOR is 10. FSU clearly isn't waiting 10 years to leave the league. EIther way it's going to be interesting. Some law firms out there are going to make a boatload in billable hours.
I've personally never come across a completely "air tight" contract. There is always room to maneuver.
The Acc GOR is 10. FSU clearly isn't waiting 10 years to leave the league. EIther way it's going to be interesting. Some law firms out there are going to make a boatload in billable hours.
I've personally never come across a completely "air tight" contract. There is always room to maneuver.
None of this is surprising.
Told you guys for about the past few months that this is going to happen, and it’s coming to fruition.
As always, it’s not a matter of if, but when, where, and how much will it cost?
To Cali’s point, I highly doubt it will be in $300 million range
Peter Collins is already said that they have a good hand on the GOR, and they have the high-powered New York attorneys now on the case
It’s unprecedented at a school say this in public and go against the conference they are currently in
Told you guys for about the past few months that this is going to happen, and it’s coming to fruition.
As always, it’s not a matter of if, but when, where, and how much will it cost?
To Cali’s point, I highly doubt it will be in $300 million range
Peter Collins is already said that they have a good hand on the GOR, and they have the high-powered New York attorneys now on the case
It’s unprecedented at a school say this in public and go against the conference they are currently in
FSU President now speaking out. They aren't going to live with the current distribution levels.
Either they are going to get a bigger piece of the pie, which Clemson and Miami will most assuredly want as well, and likely won't get, or they are going to try and get out of the GOR. The Acc is basically the Big East v2.0, complete with ND sucking them dry. Acc is in a worse spot than the Pac now.
Grab your popcorn folks.
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Either they are going to get a bigger piece of the pie, which Clemson and Miami will most assuredly want as well, and likely won't get, or they are going to try and get out of the GOR. The Acc is basically the Big East v2.0, complete with ND sucking them dry. Acc is in a worse spot than the Pac now.
Grab your popcorn folks.
Florida State president 'not satisfied' with how much money school currently gets from ACC media deal
Richard McCullough's comments on the ACC's TV deal come as the Pac-12 may be on the brink of collapse.
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So Texas and Oklahoma hired backwater Red River bayou attorneys?
I’m not privy to a Texas, and Oklahoma did or did not do
I am privy to what FSU was doing, and, like I’ve been saying, for the past number of months, they will not be in this conference in the next few years
Mark it down and mark my words, they will be out much sooner than 2036
We dominated from 1992-early 2000’s, then had a nice 5 year run from 2012-2017
3 Heismans
3 nattys
6 championship game appearances
15 Acc titles in 30 years
14 straight top 5 finishers
2nd winningest coach of all time
Iconic brand
If that’s not dominating, I don’t know what is
Clemson has dominated the ACC for a decade, not FSU. 2014 was a decade ago.
2022: 10 - 3, 2nd place
2021: 5 - 7
2020: 3 - 6
2019: 6 - 7
2018: 5 - 7
2017: 7 - 6
2016: 10 - 3, 3rd place
2015: 10 - 3, 2nd place
2014: 13 - 1
Now throw Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, LSU, Florida at them all over the place.
FSU is looking at this long term.
Winning the Acc will be akin to Cincy dominating the AAC. It's a cool story, but you aren't playing with the big boys. And when you do get that game, you get smoked.
It's a simple decision. Being with the big boys making $30-$40MM more a year than you make now is better than receiving less money playing the JV teams, even though you have a better chance of beating them. It's exactly how we felt in the Big East, and we never even won that.
Right or wrong, FSU has higher aspirations. I applaud them for that.
Winning the Acc will be akin to Cincy dominating the AAC. It's a cool story, but you aren't playing with the big boys. And when you do get that game, you get smoked.
It's a simple decision. Being with the big boys making $30-$40MM more a year than you make now is better than receiving less money playing the JV teams, even though you have a better chance of beating them. It's exactly how we felt in the Big East, and we never even won that.
Right or wrong, FSU has higher aspirations. I applaud them for that.
So we’re going to ignore the first 22 years and simply focus on the last 10? Seems normal
Different situations. Texas and Oklahoma didn't have any real incentive to fight it. Easier to wait the extra year or two and not run the risk of losing in court / incur lots of legal expenses. The ACC's GOR runs 13 more years. You can't wait it out
Cali gets it.
In Tallahasee, the standard is the standard and it’s not changing.
Bobby went out and played anyone, anywhere at any time.
He built the Noles into one of the iconic brands of college football.
If anybody thinks they’re going to sit in the ACC and fall further and further behind their peers, and again, as I’ve said, further behind the gators, you’re sadly mistaken
Yes. 20 years ago is not relevant to the FSU of today that would be playing in the SEC.
Nor is today relevant what they will be in 20 years should they be in the SEC.
FSU isn't looking at this to win the league. They value being at the highest level just as we did. It's better than where they are now.
FSU isn't looking at this to win the league. They value being at the highest level just as we did. It's better than where they are now.
That's a question for sure. If there is no Acc, then there is no conference to collect.
They won a natty in 2013, 10 years ago
Playoffs in 2014
3rd in country in 2017
Finished last year top 15
Congrats to Clemson, they capitalized getting a once in a generational, Coach in Dabo, and winning while FSU was down
Meanwhile, FSU had the Jimbo Fisher debacle, coupled with the Willie Taggart fiasco, which combined set them back a minimum of five years
Context is always key
How many ACC championships has Clemson won (6), how many National Championships (2) and how many visits to the NC game since 2013 (4)? But no, you're right FSU has dominated.
I’d tell them FU. What are they gonna do, send some debt collectors after them?
Let me slow things down for you a bit
FSU has not been in the conference for 100 years
They’ve been in for 30, and won roughly half of the league championships
Taking a 10 your context is fine, but to ignore the first 20 is nonsensical
Furthermore, we will start the year at a minimum in the top 10, with opening week ratings that are going to be through the roof, with a Heisman trophy containing quarterback, they likely top 15 traffic on the defense, I thought, five overall defense in college football, and the top, and I’ll program in the league
So yes, via your strawman argument, Clemson has domibated for the past eight years.
In case you missed it, They were dog **** before that when FSU got in the league and even when FSU struggles in early 2000s, and when Bobby had pretty much checked out and hired Jeff to the nepotism, they were still pedestrian at best
One could argue that they’ve only been good while FSU has been down, battling internal problems
But to win roughly half of the championships in 30 years, coupled with all the other accolades, to say they havent dominated… at best, that’s a stretch
Lol yes you're right. FSU has dominated even though Clemson has won much more over the last 10 years. Thanks for clearing that up. Strange definition of dominated when another team has done a lot better.
Let me slow things down a little for you. The FSU that would jump to the SEC is the FSU of today, not 2001, not the 90s, not the Bobby Bowden years.
SEC adds FSU and Clemson in addition to their recent additions of TX and OK. Wow! What a conference. Forget about geography, markets and “footprints”. Those are games ppl are gonna wanna watch regardless of where they are. Who ya think some guy in St Louis is going to watch, , OK vs FL or Wa vs Purdue ?
I don't see FSU getting out on their own , but if Clemson, Virginia and North Carolina go after the ACC's GOR with them, the chances of breaking the GOR might be better.
If those schools stay on the sidelines just giving hidden support, FSU wll have a hard time leaving without paying through the nose and possibly making their athletic department have to pinch pennies to keep their sports programs going.
Once they leave Clemson, Virginia and North Carolina might use that to leave for a far less price.
Let Clemson, Virginia and North Carolina back the ACC in trying to stop FSU from leaving, I think FSU won't stand a chance
If those schools stay on the sidelines just giving hidden support, FSU wll have a hard time leaving without paying through the nose and possibly making their athletic department have to pinch pennies to keep their sports programs going.
Once they leave Clemson, Virginia and North Carolina might use that to leave for a far less price.
Let Clemson, Virginia and North Carolina back the ACC in trying to stop FSU from leaving, I think FSU won't stand a chance
Serious question, did you watch the team last year?
Did you watch the off-season acquisitions, the NIL, fundraising, the recruiting, the job in Norvell is doing?
If you don’t think they’re going to be a powerhouse moving forward, then you’re not paying attention Albert
I'll leave the prognostication to you FSUAl. I wait until I see actual results on the field.
Gotcha
So you didn’t watch them
Let’s see how they do this year and moving forward, and revisit this in the future
Wouldn’t the full value of FSU’s commitment to the ACC, if the GOR was ironclad, be $480 million if they left in two seasons?
12 contract years left at $30 million per
$120 million exit fee