This thread is a giant pile of Dunning-Kruger.
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I’m in healthcare and had a very moderate view towards COVID, as well as the vaccine. COVID isn’t the plague and has been, thankfully, not as bad as advertised in certain avenues. The vaccine is also very safe and I’m glad I took it. I think if you want to talk about how the vaccines are harmful it would be helpful for me to know your qualifications and profession, whether you find that fair or not.
Sorry, just having a solid laugh at you using Einstein as a way to describe yourself. Definitely a free thinker…
I’m not a healthcare worker, but I’m married to a PA, 3 surgeons in my immediate family, a few nurses, etc. My best friend is a 2 star general that was part of the decision making team on whether or not to mandate the vaccine for the armed services during the Trump admin. Hint, they were not going to.
However, I do not work in healthcare, so I bow to thee almighty healthcare worker and submit to your godly opinions…that are not even close to universally shared in your field.
What’s the difference between rRNA, mRNA, and tRNA in layman’s terms? I’ll give you 3 minutes to answer before I assume you googled the answer.
Not like that at all, but I’m forming my opinions from real world experience of myself and those close to me. I’m definitely open to other opinions, but the mentality that a healthcare worker sees him/herself as all knowing is utterly ridiculous.
Sorry I missed your 3 minute window and that’s a meaningless question. Instead I’d like you to answer why my sister in law had 3 strokes within 3 weeks of her 2nd shot? An otherwise healthy 39 year old woman. Also, why did a friend of mine die 6 hours after his second shot of heart failure?
I have no doubt the vaccine has helped a great many people, but I’m also not so naive to think this can’t be harmful as well as I’ve seen it with my own eyes.
Just want to add those are my experiences and there are more, those from my family are far worse, but I won’t get in to those as they’ll be discounted.
He asked for my credentials before gracing me with his willingness to debate. Fair and moderate? Give me a break. That’s a tool used to shut someone down who may actually have knowledge of things you’re unaware of.
Well, given that you just said that a covid vaccine caused your 39 year old sister in law to have three strokes, I’d say your credibility is quite in question.
Just read the FDA paperwork this morning. Anyone else?
Does it say it "fully approved" the shots or just extended EUA with demands that the inserts and such say "EUA ONLY"? Since people only trust gov sources, I'll wait til everyone reads it before commenting further.
Does it say it "fully approved" the shots or just extended EUA with demands that the inserts and such say "EUA ONLY"? Since people only trust gov sources, I'll wait til everyone reads it before commenting further.
Why would I spend valuable time talking to somebody about the pros and cons of an mRNA vaccine that doesn’t know what mRNA is? Does that make sense? Here’s an example
You: I’m excited about Kentucky basketball recruiting in the future
Me: why? It doesn’t matter Kentucky recruiting will be bad
You: well Antigua coming back for one
Me: Who’s that?
You: an assistant coach and top recruiter
Me: what’s an assistant coach?
You: what? Why am I even taking to you about UK recruiting?
Me: my uncle is from Kentucky and I’m an NFL fan and I read on a site called peegs.com that UK basketball sucks and is on a downward trajectory
Can you see now why you in this example you might not want to argue or talk to me that much? Or at least not really take you that serious? Hope that example helps. At the end of the day it helps to discuss things with people that have similar understanding of the subject.
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This is one of the big problems with the vaccine deniers. They cherry pick info and at first glance they appear to have a point but when you dig in you find flaws with the logic. The key word here that is wrong is "after". The spike in cases began around Christmas and peaked around Jan 9-11th. The vaccine was first administered in Gibralter on Jan 10th and they didn't reach 100% until mid March. The cases and deaths spiked outside of the fully vaccinated period of time. This is easy to research and easy to see. The vaccines had zero to do with the case or death spike. In fact, deaths flatlined after they reached full vaccination and has remained there.
It is fully approved for those 16 and over, it is still EUA for those 12-15. Pretty simple.
Very sorry to hear about your sister and friend.
If the fda had published the known side effects from the trials when they approved the EUA, I wonder if that would have helped people? At this point they should at least be looking into what the commonalities are between those that have died, had serious side effects, or had minor complications. That way they could add warnings for specific people.
They've had over a year, and yet we've not heard a thing about any such studies. Not in 35 years has their been a pharma funded, ongoing study that looked into why and which dna groups might be more adversely affected by any of these shots.
But that would be true "science"....
Not hearing about them, because they don't exist, that should be a clear warning sign for anyone that cares about humanity
Anyone remember the tobacco revelations? It wasn't the tobacco that was the major culprit then, it was the additives meant to make them more addictive and give better uptake of nicotine. The companies did the studies of how to make them more addictive, but nothing public and none about the negative effects they knew the products were having. The reason why safety studies were built into the vaccine law in 1986 was for this very reason. They had a lot of examples of companies hiding their results in order to profit.
We've backtracked a lot since 1986. The regression is dictatorial in nature but moved slower than maple sap in a Wisconsin February. Nobody cares about other people enough to speak up about it. Now it's found hyperdrive and people are stuck in neutral or completely along for the fast paced Russian roulette. I hope the negative effects of these shots can be counteracted naturally if they can be at all.
Ah, the idealistic pros and cons of the perfect mRNA vaccine. Yes, sounds great on paper. It's like discussing communism without the real world application that fails miserably because of the types of people that want power.
Wonder what the people that invented these things and researched them for over a decade would say about the current application? That would be interesting.
Of course we would only want to hear the expert opinions of those who think the application is such perfection, and silence those that disagree with the application, because once again "science" (fiction).
Hearing only one side is not science. Eliminating ANY observations during the observation stage changes it from "science" to something well short of that. People who understand real scientific method understand when a study or an experiment is being manipulated. I wish there were more of such people left
Wonder what the people that invented these things and researched them for over a decade would say about the current application? That would be interesting.
Of course we would only want to hear the expert opinions of those who think the application is such perfection, and silence those that disagree with the application, because once again "science" (fiction).
Hearing only one side is not science. Eliminating ANY observations during the observation stage changes it from "science" to something well short of that. People who understand real scientific method understand when a study or an experiment is being manipulated. I wish there were more of such people left
My daughters Mother in Law just passed yesterday at 50 years old and her 47 year old sister passed last week.....neither had been vaccinated but their 70 something year old mother had been and now she will have to bury her daughters.
The new BioNTech shot was approved, but not the original EUA shots. I can't wait to read the inserts and specifics, including the studies, for this other shot. Novavax has pushed back their vaccine rollout/application again, so this new one may be the only current option for those who want what is supposed to be an actual vaccine.
That is a great example. I NEVER argue or discuss UK football much with "fans" who still somehow think that UK circa 2021 is the same as Joker Ball, or Curry 1990s or even John Ray 1970s. They simply think "Kentucky has always sucked, therefore they will always suck and my opinion will never change or be altered by current coach, roster, or records". I am quick to change the subject . . . .
[Still holding my trifecta ticket, seems like a cod lock winner to me]
Where are the studies of potential shedding with these new tech shots? Anyone seen anything about that? A full year and there's no tracking data to see if those vaccinated are spreading a deadlier variant.
If Gibraltar has reached even 95% coverage instead of the >100% officially reported in the population, how are they seeing a spike in cases and deaths to put them 3rd in the world for such? The only way would be if the vaccinated are spreading newer and deadlier variants.
Where were the trials done for these shots? How are those countries doing?
Where are the deadliest variants found right now and how does that relate to the vaccinated in those areas?
How many more people would be surviving the virus if natural immunity and early treatment were part of the equation?
Here's something you might not know-
Those who with greater natural immunity to the 1968 flu epidemic were those who had the flu that caused the 1957 epidemic. No boosters required. Too bad no one studied the survivors to know why they had such long-lived natural immunity.
If Gibraltar has reached even 95% coverage instead of the >100% officially reported in the population, how are they seeing a spike in cases and deaths to put them 3rd in the world for such? The only way would be if the vaccinated are spreading newer and deadlier variants.
Where were the trials done for these shots? How are those countries doing?
Where are the deadliest variants found right now and how does that relate to the vaccinated in those areas?
How many more people would be surviving the virus if natural immunity and early treatment were part of the equation?
Here's something you might not know-
Those who with greater natural immunity to the 1968 flu epidemic were those who had the flu that caused the 1957 epidemic. No boosters required. Too bad no one studied the survivors to know why they had such long-lived natural immunity.
I’m honestly not interested in talking about the pros and cons of an mRNA vaccine anyway. I truly do not care at all if someone wants to get it, and I wish them the best. My beef is with the mandates and the mindless drones that go along with that without even a thought as to why it’s a horrible idea. I honestly don’t know your stance on mandates and won’t pretend to. I just didn’t like your comment stating those who have questions about the vax also feel COVID is no big deal. It was an intellectually dishonest comment and you should know better.
There are very sinister things happening right now, and those fears are backed up by experts in the medical field and friends very high up in government.
How many fallacies can you string together in one thread? Lmao
Squarely where I am at on c19 related things right now.
Every lab created outbreak has been serious to certain groups within the populations affected. Never before have they refused to treat people before it gets serious. Never before have they manipulated studies to keep possible treatments out of the hands of doctors. This is some sick and twisted sht.
There are doctors across the country and world that treated people at symptom onset and had from 50% to 80% survival rate even in patients with serious comorbidities. They have not only been ignored but shut down and their licenses to practice threatened or revoked. This is EXACTLY the ghoul factor of the Tuskegee experiments but to the nth degree.
I'm not sure what it will take for people to realize that
To be perfectly frank, I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about. You're intelligent and you've convinced yourself that you are correct. Millions of doctors and researchers around the world apparently aren't as clued in as you are.
You are attempting to influence opinions by appealing through authority. Listen to me because of “experts in the medical field” and friends “very high up in government.” But not sure you realize that those appeals don’t make your claims any more credible.
Just found out about the deaths of one for certain and possibly two local caretakers this past week that died quickly of covid. They had been taking care of elderly shut ins that were quarantining long term for fear of the virus. Their primary care was of more senior, vaccinated residents, but it's very likely they also tended to those that were not. Both were healthy and in their 50s or early 60s. No word of deaths or spread so far among those to which they were tending.
Prayers for those to which they tended would be appreciated
Prayers for those to which they tended would be appreciated
Not saying my claims are any more credible, but I’m going to put them out there as you do. People can read my comments, yours, and anyone else’s, then add research and decide for themselves.
Dude... you act like you are some reservoir of rare insight and knowledge in a world of intellectual darkness, yet you repeatedly demonstrate lack of knowledge of even basic details of what you're talking about. There is no "new" BioNTech shot that was approved separate from the original EUA shot. They're the same shot.
I do not think sacrificing anyone to help me in any way is acceptable, but I am an organ donor, as is my wife and should my son die before he is 18, I will donate his organs, so that out of tragedy comes life for another. Using cells from aborted fetuses ended a long, long time ago. Your claim is unfounded, so ignorant of fact. I hope you will find the helpful and cooperative side of your faith which is what Jesus would want you to do.
This is the result of, in part, Regan and Roger Ailes conspiring to drop the Fairness Doctrine to allow partisan media in 1987. Until then media had to tell the truth and give equal time to both sides of an issue. Roger Ailes saw an opportunity to make a lot of money AND sway the minds of many people through manipulative "newsertainment" that was not previously allowable. Now we have Fox News and Rush Limbaugh types (there are some on the left, but largely ineffective because studies show lefties aren't interested in this), arguing in court AND winning it's argument that it is not a media company, rather it is entertainment and "that no reasonable person would believe what their hosts were saying was truthful." Through decades of systematic propaganda designed to wear down the trust our society once had in its institutions, now we are a country filled with loons who believe in outrageous conspiracy theories and look at the government as the enemy.
That paper is from a conspiracy theory factory. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/principia-scientific-international/ Why won't you find information from at least a reasonably reputable source. Here I'll give you two. https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/y...covid-19-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-cells and here is the Vatican saying it is not immoral: https://www.catholicnews.com/vatica...ent-covid-19-vaccines-are-morally-acceptable/
BTW-loook at the time stamps and how long it took me to find reasonably reliable information.