Funny how Dooley and Graham are Auburn candidates...
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I still dont think they are good head coaching candidates for us, and Dooley especially. The only reason they are being looked at, which I highly doubt is true that they are looking at Dooley, but they are some of the only coaches available that are currently head coaches. Graham fits the spread if they want to continue that, but I would seriously doubt Auburn is giving Dooley a chance at their HC job.
And so would we... In my opinion he is one of the worst names on our list... I have nothing against the guy but come one.... we can do much better.
either a big gamble or a smart investment. A brief summary of his resume on the LaTech website shows that he was practically a personal understudy to Saban and was given a variety of coaching assingments at LSU. He may be the diamond in the rough that some smart AD will select within a short period of time, maybe not this year.
Just like Tubs and fat *** Borges will not magically turn us into the 04 Auburn Tigers, we are not Auburn when it comes to hiring football coaches. BUT, a national ESPN analyst says that Dooley and Graham have been mentioned in connection with the Auburn job. Coach has a good point. These folks are not good enough for us, but Auburn can put them on the list?
Get used to seeing Dooley's name. That is all I am saying. It just didn't occur to a lot of people on here that if we can't get a Petersen or a Whittingham or a Kelly, then Dooley might not be a bad idea. As a middle tier program, we might have to beat the larger schools to that intermediate step. In other words, instead of Dooley working at LaTech for the next few years, then moving on to-say CUSA, then going to the SEC - we might have to step in and remove the middle man. We don't have the luxury to wait right now at this point in our program.
Wouldn't you have liked to hire Urban Meyer from BG rather than Utah years ago? or Whittingham? The difference between us and Utah is that we are in a power conference, so if we get one of these young studs and they start kicking ***, they might actually want to stay because, hey, they are kicking *** in the SEC.
And some folks on this board say the only reason we were even looking at Dooley is because they beat us this year.
Will Dooley be the next Meyer or the next Kragthorpe? You never know, but you might have to chance it.
Get used to seeing Dooley's name. That is all I am saying. It just didn't occur to a lot of people on here that if we can't get a Petersen or a Whittingham or a Kelly, then Dooley might not be a bad idea. As a middle tier program, we might have to beat the larger schools to that intermediate step. In other words, instead of Dooley working at LaTech for the next few years, then moving on to-say CUSA, then going to the SEC - we might have to step in and remove the middle man. We don't have the luxury to wait right now at this point in our program.
Wouldn't you have liked to hire Urban Meyer from BG rather than Utah years ago? or Whittingham? The difference between us and Utah is that we are in a power conference, so if we get one of these young studs and they start kicking ***, they might actually want to stay because, hey, they are kicking *** in the SEC.
And some folks on this board say the only reason we were even looking at Dooley is because they beat us this year.
Will Dooley be the next Meyer or the next Kragthorpe? You never know, but you might have to chance it.
we are looking at this prospectively. People are dogging the thought of hiring Dooley and he may very well be on Auburn's list. There are people that see something good in this guy. Of course he could fail. But do we really think we are going to hire someone like Saban that is guaranteed to win? I'd love that, but I haven't seen a name like that that I think we'll wind up with.
If Dooley goes 9-3 at LaTech next year and even better the year after, then I'll be able to say that he deserves a shot at a big name school. Until then, I strongly believe the only reason he is getting thrown around as a candidate for these various jobs is because he worked under Saban. Surely I'm not the only person that feels this way - am I?
I hear what 8dog is saying about seeing something in a coach, but I guess I don't see what Dooley has done at La Tech. He is in a **** conference and his biggest win this year was either against a 4-8 MSU team or a 7-5 Fresno State team.
I think Graham is a good coach, but he isn't a splash he is solid, and for the amount of money GB has to throw around I think everyone will be expecting more.
I think Graham is a good coach, but he isn't a splash he is solid, and for the amount of money GB has to throw around I think everyone will be expecting more.
any SEC or BIG 12 school's list right now. However, if a school like State (or similarly situated) could not attract the likes of Petersen, etc., then Dooley would be risky, <span style="text-decoration:underline">yet shrewd</span> fall-back plan.
I think some of you people are missing the point. Why would any SEC school want to hire a coach from a middle of the pack WAC school? Go find me a coach that was previously from the WAC that has made his way to a BCS conference and been successful. Its garbage. He may be a great young coach, but if you want us to keep the recruits we have, Dooley is NOT the guy to do that. I will say it again. You take Dooley who hasnt done crap at La Tech, and I'll take Tommy Tuberville who has an SEC title and we will see who does better. Some people on here need to think about the consequences of hiring an unproven coach from the WAC.
He rode the coat tails of two very successful coaches with very good teams.
At LSU he basically was a cheerleader while Saban called the plays. I don't even think his headset was plugged in, he normally had it around his neck.
As AU same thing, Tubby called the plays Muschamp jumped around like an idiot, and the TV crews always saw him jumping around cursing and acting a fool. Seriously, Coach O didn't act so stupid.
After AU he goes to UT where he actually may be calling his own defensive plays. Wouldn't you know he actually has a decent defense with Texas type talent.
I doubt a BCS program is chomping at the bit to hire a Derek Dooley from La Tech. Make no mistake if his name was Derek Smith, he wouldn't even be mentioned.
At LSU he basically was a cheerleader while Saban called the plays. I don't even think his headset was plugged in, he normally had it around his neck.
As AU same thing, Tubby called the plays Muschamp jumped around like an idiot, and the TV crews always saw him jumping around cursing and acting a fool. Seriously, Coach O didn't act so stupid.
After AU he goes to UT where he actually may be calling his own defensive plays. Wouldn't you know he actually has a decent defense with Texas type talent.
I doubt a BCS program is chomping at the bit to hire a Derek Dooley from La Tech. Make no mistake if his name was Derek Smith, he wouldn't even be mentioned.
And if you dont have sense enough to figure out the difference in programs between Petersons and Dooleys then you dont know college football. I should have said a head coach from a middle of the pack WAC team that has made work at a BCS conference college, but Peterson is a completely different story. He is still relatively young, and his school doesnt finish at the bottom or the middle of the WAC every year. Peterson has to recruit in the northwest for talent, and Dooley has to recruit in the prime area for talent, and he cant get crap at his school. Peterson will work because hes proven it, and Dooley hasnt. If im not mistaken, Croom was a relatively young coach with a lot of potential too, and look how that turned out. Its not about potential, its about your record. Dooley doesnt have one, and Peterson does.
Hey 8Dog, has Bobby Petrino had a successful program yet? All of those people he recruited at Louisville are sucking it up right now for Kragthorpe because hes not a good head coach. Like with the Falcons. Hes a great OC, not a good head coach. Paul Johnson runs a gimmick option style offense in a conference that has never had to prepare for an offense like that. Give that 2 years and see where GT is at in the ACC once those teams have a couple of offseasons to prepare for it.
Mack Brown has said that he intends on coaching for maybe 10 more years, so it will be a while before we see Muschamp as UT's next head coach, but yes I think it is a mistake.
Texas gave up 339 yards a game which is fairly average for the type of talent UT has on campus.
Well ignoring Dooley's pedigree, what has he done at La Tech that would make you think he is a good coach to lead an SEC program? Was MSU really a landmark win for him? He was 5-7 the year before.
A coach that is .500 in the WAC is a hot name?
In 2004-2005 whoever was coaching La Tech led them to a 13-10 record compared to Dooley's 12-12.
By the way, the coach that led La Tech during these two years was Jack Bicknell, who I have never heard of before actually had wins over a Top 20 team. Dooley not so much.
Texas gave up 339 yards a game which is fairly average for the type of talent UT has on campus.
Well ignoring Dooley's pedigree, what has he done at La Tech that would make you think he is a good coach to lead an SEC program? Was MSU really a landmark win for him? He was 5-7 the year before.
A coach that is .500 in the WAC is a hot name?
In 2004-2005 whoever was coaching La Tech led them to a 13-10 record compared to Dooley's 12-12.
By the way, the coach that led La Tech during these two years was Jack Bicknell, who I have never heard of before actually had wins over a Top 20 team. Dooley not so much.
3 wins to 5 wins to 7 wins says something to me. I guess its irrelevant to most.
he's not number one on my list, but once the bigger names cross us off, he looks a lot more appealing.
Who would you hire if you were state after Kelly, petersen and Patterson?
he's not number one on my list, but once the bigger names cross us off, he looks a lot more appealing.
Who would you hire if you were state after Kelly, petersen and Patterson?
I know you want to tell him about all of the offenses that Johnson has run. I know you want to tell him that there is a reason that Petrino can win with his players but maybe another coach can't. It could be because he is a better coach than Kragthorpe, but that would be way to easy.
Not sure where I said I wouldn't.
The previous coach had a very bad 2006 season, but before then the previous two years he was 6-6 (2004) and 7-4 (2005) with a win over a top 20 team.
After 2005 Bicknell's record the previous two seasons was 13-10 at La Tech, i don't remember his name being a hot name in coaching circles after the 2005 season.
I think you would have to go with Graham over Dooley based on performance.
The previous coach had a very bad 2006 season, but before then the previous two years he was 6-6 (2004) and 7-4 (2005) with a win over a top 20 team.
After 2005 Bicknell's record the previous two seasons was 13-10 at La Tech, i don't remember his name being a hot name in coaching circles after the 2005 season.
I think you would have to go with Graham over Dooley based on performance.
Petrino was successful at Louisville? Are you really arguing that Paul Johnson isn't a good coach? He's doing this with non option players so by the time other teams prepare for him, he'll have better players to run his system.
How about Erickson? Patterson...I'll keep looking, the WAC has produced some damn good coaches.
Learn to reply, then get your head out of your ***, then start posting aGAIN.
How about Erickson? Patterson...I'll keep looking, the WAC has produced some damn good coaches.
Learn to reply, then get your head out of your ***, then start posting aGAIN.
is eminently more qualified than Croom was...no comparison. And we're probably not going to get Petersen. Sometimes you need to take a measured risk, particularly a school like State, and try and find the diamond in the rough. That's all I'm saying. The idea of Graham does nothing for me, like the idea of Dooley apparently does nothing for you.</p>
I dont like Patterson because again, no record. They used to be pretty decent, but I think we can get better. Peterson is definately out of those 3 the better candidate. Doesnt have to go up against teams as good as Kelly has to go up against in the Big East, but still an almost perfect record at Boise St. I would be way more inclined to go with Kelly over Patterson, because he plays teams like WV and Pitt every year, and especially this year showed some great improvement. I think Kelly isnt as big a name as we need, but if Peterson, Bowden, and Tubs said no, I would have no problem with Kelly because he has a record against BCS competition.
button then maybe you should just take your argument elsewhere. The point is you have consistently made loose, circular arguments full of generalizations and misstatements and I just can't help but point them out.
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Guess what, Dooley is even more "relatively young." Also, he has only been at Tech for 2 years and in his second year has them bowling. So lets not burden him with the responsibility of all the losing years that came before him.
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See:
Guess what, Dooley is even more "relatively young." Also, he has only been at Tech for 2 years and in his second year has them bowling. So lets not burden him with the responsibility of all the losing years that came before him.
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When was this? In 1992?
I would probably look at Skip Holtz, Graham, and lastly Dooley.
I would really try and get Malzahn to come with Graham, and make it very appealing possibly one of the higher paid OC in the SEC.
I don't think Dooley would ever turn the job down, but after that I would go the coordinator route, but would probably start with Mullen, then go to Wilson.
I agree with Improvement, but La Tech was only one year removed from a 7 win season.
I would really try and get Malzahn to come with Graham, and make it very appealing possibly one of the higher paid OC in the SEC.
I don't think Dooley would ever turn the job down, but after that I would go the coordinator route, but would probably start with Mullen, then go to Wilson.
I agree with Improvement, but La Tech was only one year removed from a 7 win season.