Funny how Trump and Minister of Propaganda Spicer still saying Mexico will pay for the wall, yet ...

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WTF are you even talking about? House? Senate? Getting out of the deal? You said in this thread that the US cant get out of a trade deal and if they tried an international panel would punish us and now you are saying that when the US pulls out of NAFTA you will throw it in my face? Good god you are one stupid motherfuker.

I challenge you to find anywhere in this thread where I said the US can't get out of NAFTA.

You are the one that said "the US Senate can walk away".

Do you have a learning disability?
 

atlkvb

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You suck at this.

During our Abortion debate you said 20 weeks was 2 months. I didn't. You even tried to claim you didn't make the arguments I said you did make.

I pointed it out to you and you ran away like a whippet Puppy, not even defending what I posted you actually denied saying!

Meantime, you're out here "correcting" everyone's spelling, while on fact after fact that you post you are almost consistently dead wrong and never admit it when numerous people demonstrate otherwise.

I'd be OK with your 'corrections' if you'd just also be as eager to admit just once that you're also wrong not once, but several times. Instead you just either run from the debate, or boast that you "destroyed" your opponents.

You think you're up in the band leader's observation tower blowing on a big bass tuba touting your academic elevation over everyone else, when in reality you're down under the bleachers off in a corner blowing on a damn Kazoo.
 
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During our Abortion debate you said 20 weeks was 2 months. I didn't. You even tried to claim you didn't make the arguments I said you did make.

I pointed it out to you and you ran away like a whippet Puppy, not even defending what I posted you actually denied saying!

Meantime, you're out here "correcting" everyone's spelling, while on fact after fact that you post you are almost consistently dead wrong and never admit it when numerous people demonstrate otherwise.

I'd be OK with your 'corrections' if you'd just also be as eager to admit just once that you're also wrong not once, but several times. Instead you just either run from the debate, or boast that you "destroyed" your opponents.

You think you're up in the band leader's observation tower blowing on a big bass tuba touting your academic elevation over everyone else, when in reality you're down under the bleachers off in a corner blowing on a damn Kazoo.

I never said 20 weeks was two months. Quote the post or stfu.
 
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So did your mom.

Why not? What is any country on earth going to do? Stop trading with the country that owns 90% or the worlds wealth?

You seriously think the US owns 90% of the worlds wealth?

There are ramifications for violating a trade agreement. They are called sanctions. The trade agreement is like a contract and it has provisions for violations and it has provisions for resolving disputes.

You are wonderful at providing a treasure trove of examples of your stupidity.
 

atlkvb

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I never said 20 weeks was two months. Quote the post or stfu.

No, I won't bother countryroads89 because the last time when I took a considerable amount of effort to find some equally stupid sh*t you posted that you claimed you did not say and I asked you to answer or own up to it you refused just like the little whippet puppy you are. So I'm not going to waste my time to go looking for it, but you did say it. Trust me.

Just like when I posted the entire discovery legal brief in the New York City housing discrimination suit against Trump and asked you to find for me one instance in that discovery phase that proved he was a "racist" and you kept linking me to that dumb *** NPR interview which proved nothing except the media's own bias in the case. You never read the briefs and never learned the actual merits of the case.

I'm not wasting my time trying to "prove" your anomic aphasia.

Go look it up, because I know you're too oligophrenic to know what it means.

(and they're both spelled correctly btw)
 
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dave

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I challenge you to find anywhere in this thread where I said the US can't get out of NAFTA.

You are the one that said "the US Senate can walk away".

Do you have a learning disability?
Look at you making **** up and changing your tune. You are a liar.
 

dave

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You seriously think the US owns 90% of the worlds wealth?

There are ramifications for violating a trade agreement. They are called sanctions. The trade agreement is like a contract and it has provisions for violations and it has provisions for resolving disputes.

You are wonderful at providing a treasure trove of examples of your stupidity.
It has provisions that day the US can cancel the deal with 6 months notice. Look it up.
 

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Wrong. They are our second largest export recipient, 15.7% of all exports, twice as large as the next recipient, China. Only a fool wouldn't recognize this. Even dumbass Mcconnell and Paul Ryan got Trump to change his tune real quick today as soon as he got off the plane back to D.C., from a 20% tarrif on Mexico to it is one of many options we are looking at.

Mexico has free trade agreements with 40 countries.

I'm not sure what your complaint is is it that we can't do without Mexico or the 20% was outrageous?

You still haven't figured out Trump yet have you? He was never going to get a 20% tax.
 

dave

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I'm not sure what your complaint is is it that we can't do without Mexico or the 20% was outrageous?

You still haven't figured out Trump yet have you? He was never going to get a 20% tax.
He is too busy being a drama queen about every single word said regarding trump. Worse than a woman.
 

atlkvb

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Maybe some. Juice will cost more though

I know this is late in this thread but I just want to weigh in on this concept of what something 'costs' vs what its 'price' is.

Costs are a function of what company X pays to build (create), sell, & market its product. That does include labor, materials, and a variety of other 'costs'. However, what company X can actually charge for that product in order to sell it profitably determines it's price. Something called a market ie: what customers are actually willing to pay under competition from other marketers, is much more of a factor in what that price is.

Which is why in order to sell more profitably, company X will engage in certain processes like being more efficient, hiring more skilled or less expensive labor, purchasing faster, better machines, less expensive buildings, whatever it can do to lower it's production costs so it can sell in the competitive marketplace at a price which allows it to operate profitably. There is always a balance between costs vs price. The lower company X's costs, the more it can produce & sell at a competitive market price which generates profits.

It costs Tesla X amount of dollars to build its innovative car, but it still cannot sell that car at a price in the competitive marketplace to recover all of its costs, so its profitability as a company is restricted until it can figure out a way to get those costs down so it can sell that car at a more competitive price profitably.

In the case of Mexican immigrants picking oranges, it is not a given the price of juice will automatically go up if they are no longer around to pick those groves. Other labor, or alternative harvesting means could be introduced or even innovated to either lower those production costs, or keep them relatively stable.

The potential loss of that labor pool is not a reason to refuse sealing our border, or not to demand immigrants who want to work here come into this country legally.
 
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President Donald Trump will be able to order the construction of a wall on the Mexico border Wednesday with the stroke of a pen, because of a 2006 law passed with the help of Democrats including Barack Obama, Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton.

The 2006 law authorized the construction of 700 miles of fencing along the southern border, as well as additional lights, cameras and sensors to enhance security. Although former President George W. Bush signed the measure into law, the Democrat-controlled Congress that took over a few months later ensured it would never be completed by means of an amendment to a 2008 spending bill.

The amendment removed an explicit requirement the wall be made of double-layer fencing, and gave the Department of Homeland Security authority to put in place less effective barriers, such as simple vehicle barriers that do not keep pedestrians out. As a result, Democrats were able to avoid a politically unpopular vote against the wall, and then turn around and quietly gut its construction. But Trump and Republicans in the new Congress now plan to use that law to ensure a proper wall is constructed.

Since the law was never actually repealed, the federal government is still authorized to build a substantial wall on the southern border. Congress doesn’t have to pass a new law to begin construction, and can instead package the funds necessary into a massive spending bill Democrats would have a politically hard time opposing. Trump may get a head start on the process by diverting other funds congressional leaders have indicated are available for the project, ensuring a snafu over the spending bill doesn’t hinder prompt construction of the wall.

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The President can't by law appopriate the monies to build it. Congress has to fund it. We will see. Not sure there are many republicans who want to build a mostly symbolic wall for $20 Billion.
 

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Approved and appropriated are two different things.

I'm the guy that doesn't know anything about funding projects, remember?
I didn't say anything about appropriated, but it has to be approved before you can begin to appropriate. The point is that he isn't starting from scratch on this. You really just can't help yourself.
 

atlkvb

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Approved and appropriated are two different things.

I'm the guy that doesn't know anything about funding projects, remember?

There is enough money to begin construction on that wall simply by ending the current funding going out to so called sanctuary cities, and adjusting the money that was going overseas to fund abortions into border security enhancement. Same dollars, different purposes. Billions involved between both funding mechanisms.
 

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There is enough money to begin construction on that wall simply by ending the current funding going out to so called sanctuary cities, and adjusting the money that was going overseas to fund abortions into border security enhancement. Same dollars, different purposes. Billions involved between both funding mechanisms.
It's not quite that simple. There is certainly some color of money problems there.
 

atlkvb

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It's not quite that simple. There is certainly some color of money problems there.

I do not think the Congressional appropriation committees will have too much trouble finding 15 billion dollars in the discretionary budget to fund construction of that wall. This is not a heavy lift.
 

dave

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I didn't say anything about appropriated, but it has to be approved before you can begin to appropriate. The point is that he isn't starting from scratch on this. You really just can't help yourself.

This is fact.