Funny Peyton Manning story...
- Thread starter dawgstudent
- Start date
He's got the perfect mentality for being a great QB, and he has the talent to match. He's definitely one of the best all-time. You can make arguments for others, but he's at worst Top 5 and in the discussion.
He is a super nice guy. You would never know he was a gozillionaire all pro QB by the way he acted.
....Trent Dilfer is not quite on the same page.
I am not a huge student of the NFL, but I think I'd put Peyton at the top.
I am not a huge student of the NFL, but I think I'd put Peyton at the top.
Usually you hear Johnny Unitas and Joe Montana up there too, sometimes John Elway.
Still, I don't know if you can say any of the above are definitely better than Peyton. Peyton will hold a load of records when he retires, most all of them I'm sure, and he'll probably have a few more rings. By the time he retires, I'm guessing most will put him No. 1 overall.
The list of QBs you can even put next to his name is shrinking year by year. Some will put Tom Brady up there with him too, and I could see that being an argument.
I like the NFL, and I don't have a particular team, but I really enjoy watching Peyton play, just because it's fun to watch someone completely dissect an opponent the way he does.
Still, I don't know if you can say any of the above are definitely better than Peyton. Peyton will hold a load of records when he retires, most all of them I'm sure, and he'll probably have a few more rings. By the time he retires, I'm guessing most will put him No. 1 overall.
The list of QBs you can even put next to his name is shrinking year by year. Some will put Tom Brady up there with him too, and I could see that being an argument.
I like the NFL, and I don't have a particular team, but I really enjoy watching Peyton play, just because it's fun to watch someone completely dissect an opponent the way he does.
It is also easy to forget how good Elway, Marino and Montana were.
Even growing up during the reign of those 3 quarterbacks, I think Peyton still comes out on top. Most of us grew up watching Marino, Elway and Montana....can you honestly say that any of them are better than Peyton from a pure skills standpoint? No way in hell. Marino is the closest comparison, skills-wise. Elway and Montana were just completely different QB's. There is not a person in the Top 10 that you can say is clearly more skilled than Manning. If he ends up owning all the records too, well then he just goes to the top by default.
Edited to add: FWIW, I would put Steve Young up against anyone in the history of the NFL on skill alone. He might be the only one I would put above Manning actually.
Even growing up during the reign of those 3 quarterbacks, I think Peyton still comes out on top. Most of us grew up watching Marino, Elway and Montana....can you honestly say that any of them are better than Peyton from a pure skills standpoint? No way in hell. Marino is the closest comparison, skills-wise. Elway and Montana were just completely different QB's. There is not a person in the Top 10 that you can say is clearly more skilled than Manning. If he ends up owning all the records too, well then he just goes to the top by default.
Edited to add: FWIW, I would put Steve Young up against anyone in the history of the NFL on skill alone. He might be the only one I would put above Manning actually.
it's like 7 on 7 now if you have a good OL and a good QB. I think Marino in his prime could break his own record for yardage in today's league. You can't touch the receivers at all after 5 yards.. you can't really hit the QB. Guys like Marino, Elway, and Fouts would have a field day. And as for the skills department, nobody threw a better ball than Dan Marino. Nobody. Peyton is the closest as far as accuracy but a lot of passes are really ugly (not that it matters).
From Wikipedia:
"Manning stunned many when he chose to attend the <font color="#002bb8">University of Tennessee</font> instead of <font color="#002bb8">Ole Miss</font>, his father's alma mater.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Stunning_10-0"><font color="#002bb8"><span>[</span>11<span>]</span></font> He became Tennessee's all-time leading passer with 11,201yards and 89touchdowns and won 39 of 45 games as a starter, breaking the <font color="#002bb8">Southeastern Conference</font> (SEC) record for career wins.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-UTCareerrecords_11-0"><font color="#002bb8"><span>[</span>12<span>]</span></font><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-PM18_12-0"><font color="#002bb8"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></font></p>
As a <font color="#002bb8">freshman</font>, Manning was the third-string quarterback, but injuries to future <font color="#002bb8">Major League Baseball</font> All-Star <font color="#002bb8">first baseman</font> <font color="#002bb8">Todd Helton</font>, and Jerry Colquitt forced him to take over the <font color="#002bb8">Mississippi State</font> game, a 24–21 loss. In his first start, the following week against <font color="#002bb8">Washington State</font>, the Vols won, 10–9, and the Vols won all but one of their remaining games, finishing the season 8–4 with a 45–23 victory over <font color="#002bb8">Virginia Tech</font> in the <font color="#002bb8">Gator Bowl</font>.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-13"><font color="#002bb8"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></font><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-14"><font color="#002bb8"><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></font><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-15"><font color="#002bb8"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></font>"</p>
"Manning stunned many when he chose to attend the <font color="#002bb8">University of Tennessee</font> instead of <font color="#002bb8">Ole Miss</font>, his father's alma mater.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Stunning_10-0"><font color="#002bb8"><span>[</span>11<span>]</span></font> He became Tennessee's all-time leading passer with 11,201yards and 89touchdowns and won 39 of 45 games as a starter, breaking the <font color="#002bb8">Southeastern Conference</font> (SEC) record for career wins.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-UTCareerrecords_11-0"><font color="#002bb8"><span>[</span>12<span>]</span></font><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-PM18_12-0"><font color="#002bb8"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></font></p>
As a <font color="#002bb8">freshman</font>, Manning was the third-string quarterback, but injuries to future <font color="#002bb8">Major League Baseball</font> All-Star <font color="#002bb8">first baseman</font> <font color="#002bb8">Todd Helton</font>, and Jerry Colquitt forced him to take over the <font color="#002bb8">Mississippi State</font> game, a 24–21 loss. In his first start, the following week against <font color="#002bb8">Washington State</font>, the Vols won, 10–9, and the Vols won all but one of their remaining games, finishing the season 8–4 with a 45–23 victory over <font color="#002bb8">Virginia Tech</font> in the <font color="#002bb8">Gator Bowl</font>.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-13"><font color="#002bb8"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></font><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-14"><font color="#002bb8"><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></font><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-15"><font color="#002bb8"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></font>"</p>
Think ofsome of therecievers on his three super bowl winning teams.
David Patton.
Troy Brown.
Deion Branch.
What Brady did was unbelievable.</p>
David Patton.
Troy Brown.
Deion Branch.
What Brady did was unbelievable.</p>
Because when you talk about all-around skills and intangibles, he maybe wasn't the best at any one skill, but he was the most complete package.
Probably the weakest part of his game was his arm strength, but it was still more than adequate enough to make all of the throws you need to make to be successful in the NFL. He also made up for his lack of arm strength with his accuracy and vision. One thing Montana did do probably better than anyone else was throw on the run. You could flush him out of the pocket, and he could still make a play- see "The Catch". Montana was also a great technician mechanically, with his footwork, and also at the art of QB-ing. You couldn't read his eyes because he was so good at looking to one side of the field and then at the last second throw to the other side after he had lured the safety away from the receiver.
Montana was also mobile- especially for a QB of his era- and while he was certainly no Steve Young, or Staubach he could certainly hurt you by scrambling. Peyton can't do that. Joe Montana is one of the reasons why teams stopped shunning guys who weren't pure drop back passers.
Joe was also great in the two minute offense- he led several historical comebacks in his NFL career, including one in Super Bowl XXIII. I can't recall Peyton doing that very many times- someone can correct me if I'm wrong about that. Joe may not be the best at comebacks in NFL history, but he is certainly up there with the Elways and Brady's.
And yes, I do think championships should count for something. Montana led the 49ers to four, and he also led ND to a NC in college. And not only did Montana's teams win championships, Joe performed well in every single one- winning the Super Bowl MVP three times in four games, and the one time he didn't win the MVP, he led the game winning drive. Montana never threw an INT in Super Bowl play and on top of that he had five TD's in Super Bowl XXIV.
Yes, Montana had Jerry Rice for the last two Super Bowl's, but he also won two without him. No doubt that they complimented each other very well though.
Smartfootball.com has a nice highlight package of Joe Montana highlights by the way. You can judge for yourself.
Probably the weakest part of his game was his arm strength, but it was still more than adequate enough to make all of the throws you need to make to be successful in the NFL. He also made up for his lack of arm strength with his accuracy and vision. One thing Montana did do probably better than anyone else was throw on the run. You could flush him out of the pocket, and he could still make a play- see "The Catch". Montana was also a great technician mechanically, with his footwork, and also at the art of QB-ing. You couldn't read his eyes because he was so good at looking to one side of the field and then at the last second throw to the other side after he had lured the safety away from the receiver.
Montana was also mobile- especially for a QB of his era- and while he was certainly no Steve Young, or Staubach he could certainly hurt you by scrambling. Peyton can't do that. Joe Montana is one of the reasons why teams stopped shunning guys who weren't pure drop back passers.
Joe was also great in the two minute offense- he led several historical comebacks in his NFL career, including one in Super Bowl XXIII. I can't recall Peyton doing that very many times- someone can correct me if I'm wrong about that. Joe may not be the best at comebacks in NFL history, but he is certainly up there with the Elways and Brady's.
And yes, I do think championships should count for something. Montana led the 49ers to four, and he also led ND to a NC in college. And not only did Montana's teams win championships, Joe performed well in every single one- winning the Super Bowl MVP three times in four games, and the one time he didn't win the MVP, he led the game winning drive. Montana never threw an INT in Super Bowl play and on top of that he had five TD's in Super Bowl XXIV.
Yes, Montana had Jerry Rice for the last two Super Bowl's, but he also won two without him. No doubt that they complimented each other very well though.
Smartfootball.com has a nice highlight package of Joe Montana highlights by the way. You can judge for yourself.
but he was the comeback king (one of the best reasons to hate him if you hated the 49ers). As you said, he had the 'intangibles'.
Don't give me Farverah. Or Marino. Or Brady.
It has been Elway, Montana, Unitas.
When it is all said and done, if he hasn't already, Peyton Manning will top that list.
It has been Elway, Montana, Unitas.
When it is all said and done, if he hasn't already, Peyton Manning will top that list.
I disagree. Based on raw physical skills, I would put Elway ahead of them. Many NFL people think Elway and Jeff George (yes, that Jeff George) are the most physically talented qbs to ever play the game. Of course, George had a head full of snakes to go with his cannon arm, so it didn't serve him very well. But many people think Elway has one of the best arms of all time. And, I'm not really an Elway fan.AzzurriDawg4 said: