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hitting a baseball is the hardest thing in sports. Soccer depends a lot more on stamina and learning where to be when. I think he might actually do a decent job. He's not asking to go in goal or be one of the main offensive threats or anything. Will be interesting to watch.
But even if it did, why would you think he'd learn where to be when in a matter of weeks when everyone else on the field has played the game their whole life. He hasn't played soccer since jr high. He'll clearly be one of the best athletes in the league, but he'll also clearly be by far the most clueless player in the league.AssEndDawg said:
Ochocinco is not huge by NFL standards (listed at 6'1'', 192) but I would guess he's much heavier than most players in MLS. And, according to my own personal research, carrying around extra weight translates into being winded quickly in a sport where running is in high demand.<div>
</div><div>I think it's awesome, though. I will watch the video from the tryout just to see how his skills translate.</div>
</div><div>I think it's awesome, though. I will watch the video from the tryout just to see how his skills translate.</div>
192 isnt THAT heavy for 6-1 and he could probably lose a little bit of the upper body muscle that won't help him as much in soccer. As for stamina, running routes and jogging back to the line probably has him equipped to be a lazy striker already. I doubt he'd have far to go to be able to handle the role if he had the skill. But the skill is what somepeople are missing. MLS guys may not be Leo Messi but skillwise they are MUCH closer to Messi than Johnson could possibly be to them and that's something I couldn't see him fixing if he were to invest the rest of his athletic career in soccer. Without skill, in soccer you are nothing.
If soccer gets big enough, I really hope we have a European promotion/relegation system. That would end this lockout business in a hurry.<div>
</div><div>"So the top tier team owners don't want to play this year? Fine. Second tier teams, you're the biggest game in town now. And you'll probably want to sign some of those players who won't be playing next year."</div>
</div><div>"So the top tier team owners don't want to play this year? Fine. Second tier teams, you're the biggest game in town now. And you'll probably want to sign some of those players who won't be playing next year."</div>
Size and conditioning wise, he'd be fine. And he'd be one of the best athletes in the league. But he's going to be WAY behind the curve skill wise. Until you see those guys play live, you really have no idea how much skill they have. They can kick the ball 40 yards and put it on a dime, not to mention that they're also putting a lot of spin on the ball so it's not going in a straight line.
MLS doesn't really follow the NFL model anyway. The league owns all the teams, and the team owner-operator is a stockholder in the league and doesn't own his team directly. For the money they've put up, they're not going to ever agree to even take a chance of being relegated.
The individual owners own their individual teams in name only. If they want to sell, they have to get league approval. If you want to buy a part of a team, you have to get league approval.<div>
</div><div>You're right that the current owners will not accept a relegation system. It would have to happen in a bottom-up fashion. It wouldn't happen for a long time and MLS would have to be in shakier financial shape to convince them to allow their teams to be relegated. They could also write the rules to basically guarantee the current teams are all but guaranteed to stay in for a while (stadium size, attendance requirements, etc.).</div>
</div><div>You're right that the current owners will not accept a relegation system. It would have to happen in a bottom-up fashion. It wouldn't happen for a long time and MLS would have to be in shakier financial shape to convince them to allow their teams to be relegated. They could also write the rules to basically guarantee the current teams are all but guaranteed to stay in for a while (stadium size, attendance requirements, etc.).</div>
I could see maybe the issue being raised seriously the next time we host a World Cup and are in the spotlight. They are only just now nearing the standard 20 team league. If it did ever happen though, it'd be MLS1 and MLS2 and the owners would be united against the players. Soccer is so volatile here that it's hard to predict the future. We are just now really getting fully exposed to European leagues and that's if you're willing to look for them on GolTV, FSC, or ESPN3. As interest in those leagues develops, I'd expect American fans to want to mimick more and more things from those leagues. Of course that doesn't mean the owners would letpromotion/relegationhappen, but I'd expect them to at least look at scenarios to see if something made sense financially.
I just looked at 3 teams (Chicago, Chivas and Colorado). It included 15 guys- 7 were 6 foot or taller.<div>
</div><div>Height (inches) Weight (lbs)</div><div>74
190</div><div>72
150</div><div>70
150</div><div>68
145</div><div>71
170</div><div>75
195</div><div>70
165</div><div>69
150</div><div>69
170</div><div>73
190</div><div>69
180</div><div>73
170</div><div>70
165</div><div>74
178</div><div>76
175</div><div>71.533
169.5</div>
</div><div>Height (inches) Weight (lbs)</div><div>74
190</div><div>72
150</div><div>70
150</div><div>68
145</div><div>71
170</div><div>75
195</div><div>70
165</div><div>69
150</div><div>69
170</div><div>73
190</div><div>69
180</div><div>73
170</div><div>70
165</div><div>74
178</div><div>76
175</div><div>71.533
169.5</div>