Game of Thrones Thread

[cricket3]

It's almost as if Dan Weiss and David Benioff were brought in to adapt 4,000 pages of source material in the beginning and then after getting 5 seasons into they had to basically write the story on their own with a general only a general outline. If you pissed about the later seasons the blame is solely on GRRM.

 

[WonderBraa]

Ignorance is bliss

 

[Hank Camacho]

the blame is solely on GRRM.

Don't worry, he's sure that he will get Winds of Winter done in 2015, er 2016, ummm 2017, probably by 2018 at the latest. Meanwhile, you can come to a live Theon Greyjoy chapter reading at the Kalamazoo Book Fair this weekend to tell him how awesome he is.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

You guys are pissed because a 400lb ******* that spent his life's work writing arguably the greatest story ever told and is one chicken wing from a heart attack left HBO with a summary of two more books and no other choice?

The book readers are the most insufferable. How do you expect anyone to turn a book into a perfect show in a timely fashion when the creator has a 20 year head start?

It's almost as if Dan Weiss and David Benioff were brought in to adapt 4,000 pages of source material in the beginning and then after getting 5 seasons into they had to basically write the story on their own with a general only a general outline. If you pissed about the later seasons the blame is solely on GRRM.

We can be disappointed in both. No need to choose

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

That's not lazy but expedient writing, and pretty much the definition of suspension of disbelief.

They could've written in the hound using the hammer to go around cracking the reforming ice. Could've written better undead strategy, they could've walked staggered and reduced the pressure on the ice and overcome them due to exhaustion... all pretty ridiculous.

Thats exactly what im talking about. In 10 minutes or less you, an anonymous poster, just generated a much better storyline for that scene than the showwriters did.

They didnt have to set it in real time. But couldve sprinkled in a few scenes of hunger and exhaustion to show lapse of time.

Instead, all of it happens in one evening. Its just lazy.

 

[cricket3]

Water freezes at a lower temperature and takes longer in Westeros because it's not a real place. How's that for an explanation?

 

[Hank Camacho]

Water freezes at a lower temperature and takes longer in Westeros because it's not a real place. How's that for an explanation?

******.

I will say that this season would have been well served by going with the traditional 10 episode format and stretching the plot out a bit and filling a lot of those holes.

I know they wanted to blow the budget on CGI, but as most people in this thread indicate, that just isn't what makes the show great. It is the characters and the plot, not how bitching the CGI looks.

 

[funKYcat75]

newsflash: it's OK to be disappointed or have opinions about something you really like overall.

See: Reds, Cincinnati.

 

[Hank Camacho]

newsflash: it's OK to be disappointed or have opinions about something you really like overall.

See: Reds, Cincinnati.

Exactly.

 

[Bill@ModernThirst]

Jon has been the rightful king since the Mad King died because Rheagar's other kids were made bastards when his first marriage was annulled.

Jon wasn't yet born when the mad king died. Since Rhaegar had already been killed, that left Viserys and Daenerys as the only living heirs of the Mad King, pending Jon's birth.

 

[WildMoon]

newsflash: it's OK to be disappointed or have opinions about something you really like overall.

See: Reds, Cincinnati.

Yeah. This season had such a high and lows. SPoil of war was excellent. Both 6/7 was a major disappointment for me.

 

[TexasTimCat]

I can understand the angst around a book series/television show that you love.

I am a huge Wheel of Time fan and I cannot wait for the t.v. series to become a reality and i pray it approaches the quality of GoT.

As a matter of fact i would be ecstatic with that level of quality writing and production.

Sometimes we be spoiled...

 

[Spanish Radio]

I can understand the angst around a book series/television show that you love.

I am a huge Wheel of Time fan and I cannot wait for the t.v. series to become a reality and i pray it approaches the quality of GoT.

As a matter of fact i would be ecstatic with that level of quality writing and production.

Sometimes we be spoiled...

:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

 

[Spanish Radio]

******.

I will say that this season would have been well served by going with the traditional 10 episode format and stretching the plot out a bit and filling a lot of those holes.

I know they wanted to blow the budget on CGI, but as most people in this thread indicate, that just isn't what makes the show great. It is the characters and the plot, not how bitching the CGI looks.

They started in 2010 and they won't be done until 2019. They have been filming around the world in the heat and cold. The showrunners seem to be burnt out and they want this show over with so they are pushing hard to finish.

They have no blueprint so they can condense the story how they want. They don't care about logical consistency or relying on quick fix shortcuts as long as they hit the finish line Martin gave them.

 

[neilborders]

Jon wasn't yet born when the mad king died. Since Rhaegar had already been killed, that left Viserys and Daenerys as the only living heirs of the Mad King, pending Jon's birth.

Robert had already claimed the throne before Jon was born, now that I've went back and looked at the timeline of the rebellion. I'm not sure what, if anything, that does to Jon's claim to the throne.

I also don't think Rhaegar's children became bastards when his marriage was annulled. Some medieval historians/ASOIAF geeks have been researching the topic and that doesn't appear to be the case.

 

[Rupp'sRunt]

I was the most disappointed in the wall scene at the end. I needed more than 5 minutes of WW in the finale

 

[neilborders]

Guess they couldnt nuke Winterfell bc we still need Bran next season, and it will be the meeting place when Bran reveals Jon's identity to him.

Have Bran out in the Godswood warging or something, somewhat out of harms way. Sam comes in and puts him on the wagon and they GTFO as Winterfell (along with a Arya, Sansa, and Littlefinger) crumbles to the ground.

 

[Rupp'sRunt]

Have Bran out in the Godswood warging or something, somewhat out of harms way. Sam comes in and puts him on the wagon and they GTFO as Winterfell (along with a Arya, Sansa, and Littlefinger) crumbles to the ground.

Sam the new Hodor lol

 

[JohnBlue]

Can you imagine if Bran looks at what Cersi said after the meeting and what Euron is up to?

 

[Jeff Drummond]

Can you imagine if Bran looks at what Cersi said after the meeting and what Euron is up to?

Biggest question here: What did Tyrion have to say to get her back to the table (albeit in a dishonest fashion)?

 

[Ribsandwhitebread]

Tyrion may be in the process of breaking bad, due in part to his realization that Dany is Jon Snows for the taking.

 

[funKYcat75]

Maybe Tyrian was supposed to take Jon out as part of the 'deal'. Now he knows he can't and will be fugged either way he goes.

 

[UK_Dallas]

 

[Hank Camacho]

Tyrion may be in the process of breaking bad, due in part to his realization that Dany is Jon Snows for the taking.

Why would Tyrion align himself with Cersei, the almost certain loser in the war between Daenerys and Cersei, especially if Jaime is headed to side with Daenerys?

Now a plot between Jaime and Tyrion to take over the Lannister house by killing Cersei and then have Jaime named as Warden in the West with Tyrion remaining as the Hand of the Queen or King (either Daeny or Jon) is the most Tywin Lannister move of all time, fulfills the valonqar prophecy in an unexpected way, and completely outplays Cersei at her own game.

If Tyrion can play triple agent with Cersei, that's a smart move.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

Biggest question here: What did Tyrion have to say to get her back to the table (albeit in a dishonest fashion)?

I think this is crucial.

The reason all of tyrions decisions this season were failures is because hes trying to ride the fence. Did he continue? Did he choose a side finally?

Also, he looked curiously upset about the john and dany relationship

 

[MarvinHagler89]

Bran: "I see everything and know everything".

Also Bran, 2 seconds later: "Why are you here?"

5 seconds later, Bran was shocked to learn about the secret marriage.

Yeah that was stupid. Bad writing. Like how do you not know they got married but tell everyone you have seen everything.

 

[MarvinHagler89]

There is only one thing that has bothered me all season and that is why is everyone wearing black????????? It's like we watching a scene from Barbie and Ken where you dress them up how you want that day. It's makes no sense and it's even stranger than magic that everyone in the world got all new clothes and they match.

Outside of that the season was awesome, had some epic battles and answered some questions that had lingered for years. Little Finger and his attempts to keep everyone fighting are finally over too.

Next season we are going to be in for several battles. Cleganebowl, the White Walkers, and the battle for the throne. The best scene in the series history will be the one where Cersi finally dies, if she doesn't the entire show will be crap to me forever.

She will die. Remember the prophecy

 

[JohnBlue]

She will die. Remember the prophecy

I have been and all this talk of her having another baby doesn't hold up to that prophecy either. I say she either doesn't live long enough to have it or miscarriages. Of course the way the timeline goes sometimes it could be two years old at the start of season 8.

 

[JohnBlue]

Biggest question here: What did Tyrion have to say to get her back to the table (albeit in a dishonest fashion)?

The best guesses I've seen is that he must have promised her some kind of succession to the throne for the unborn child since Dany can't have children and has no plan in place. There seemed to be some foreshadowing towards that in the episode before which Dany wanted to have no part of.

Of course we know now that she had no intention of keeping her promise and all deals are off before it even started. That's not to go over good with the dragon queen when/if she finds out about it you would assume. His creeping look in the hall could be a result of that line of thinking too. He might have been thinking that only if she could of had children and that her being with Jon was useless.

I really hope that's wrong, if they have destroyed Tryions character to point that he would be dumb enough to deal with Cersei they might as well kill him off. I'd rather walk to the wall alone with a box of matches to take on the knight king than make deals with Cersei.

 

[LadyCaytIL]

lol .... you know what? Danny walking unharmed through a fire and giving life to should be dead dragon eggs is fake as hell. I cant believe that crap while the after effects of Obama turning my frogs gay still linger. May the shadow syndicate bury all your dogs under the red cross centers across america because thats Trump's dark agenda.... peace brothers and remember to jump on the rocket ship of love.

P.S. hope you learned a valuable lesson

 

[MarvinHagler89]

I have been and all this talk of her having another baby doesn't hold up to that prophecy either. I say she either doesn't live long enough to have it or miscarriages. Of course the way the timeline goes sometimes it could be two years old at the start of season 8.

Stillborn miscarriage

 

[LadyCaytIL]

I'm going to guess Cersei in her mad rage for power does something stupid and gets the unborn baby killed....... causing Jaime to strangle the hell out of her

 

[ukalum_rivals311718]

I think it will be Ayra that takes down Cersei.

 

[Oldblueone]

Maybe Bran the Builder is the Night King

 

[TheEgyptianMagician]

Have to allow some dramatic license, otherwise there's no end to the faults you can find.... Jaimie Lanister dies of gangrene before he gets a golden hand, a nine year old kid doesn't survive a fall from a tower etc...

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

I think it will be Ayra that takes down Cersei.

I think its a near certainty its her or jaime. Not enough time in the remaining episodes for war with night king and lannisters

 

[WonderBraa]

These are all good theories but the one that makes the most sense is R+L=J. I don't think Jon is going to be Neds son. I think he will actually be a Targaryan.

 

[Bill Cosby]

These are all good theories but the one that makes the most sense is R+L=J. I don't think Jon is going to be Neds son. I think he will actually be a Targaryan.

No way

 

[JamesIII]

These are all good theories but the one that makes the most sense is R+L=J. I don't think Jon is going to be Neds son. I think he will actually be a Targaryan.

WHOA!!!!

Please slow down and attach "spoiler" tags when you have something as groundbreaking as this.

 

[TexasTimCat]

:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Ha ! Yeah - not so much.

This was a legal ploy attempting to retain rights by Red Eagle.

...and it was horrible...

Sony now has development rights and a showrunner has been named.

Fingers crossed.

;-)