Gavin needs to keep a few RPOs and run wide , not just the power up the middle …..

[nutfromSEC117]

DE and LB are crashing in and not even looking outside. Monangai is pounding it up the middle and having great games. He may have even more room up the middle if the LB has to hesitate for just a millisecond to see if Gavin kept it .

Jones did it yesterday for a TD
Dobbs had a big run on an RPO when he kept it and went wide.

Gavin doesn’t need to become a army/navy QB , just keep the ball 2-3 times a game to at least put the thought in the defenses mind

 

[SeaGlass]

DE and LB are crashing in and not even looking outside. Monangai is pounding it up the middle and having great games. He may have even more room up the middle if the LB has to hesitate for just a millisecond to see if Gavin kept it .

Jones did it yesterday for a TD
Dobbs had a big run on an RPO when he kept it and went wide.

Gavin doesn’t need to become a army/navy QB , just keep the ball 2-3 times a game to at least put the thought in the defenses mind

YES, YES, YES!!!! There have been numerous plays where he could have gotten 15 or more yards if he kept it and ran outside.

 

[RUBlackout]

Been saying it every game so far

Woild Keep the defense honest…I just keep getting the feeling that is a 1st option QB right now. In pass plays he is going to the 1st option and that’s extent of it

 

[Kbee3]

I've been saying it too. Of course, then KM breaks one for thirty yards and I stop saying it.

 

[RU848789]

DE and LB are crashing in and not even looking outside. Monangai is pounding it up the middle and having great games. He may have even more room up the middle if the LB has to hesitate for just a millisecond to see if Gavin kept it .

Jones did it yesterday for a TD
Dobbs had a big run on an RPO when he kept it and went wide.

Gavin doesn’t need to become a army/navy QB , just keep the ball 2-3 times a game to at least put the thought in the defenses mind

Have said that every week, lol - it's there for the taking on at least a few plays every game. Watching him explode up the middle on that TD, he could make some big chunk running plays around the vacated end (especially if there's only 1 or even 0 WRs to that side).

 

[Jtung230]

Someone with coaching experience already said GW is making the correct reads. Stick to grilling advice

 

[rubaseball78_rivals]

Someone with coaching experience already said GW is making the correct reads. Stick to grilling advice

It's a football message board to discuss what we see on the field.

 

[RUtix4me]

Someone with coaching experience already said GW is making the correct reads. Stick to grilling advice

As a the guy with 15,000 posts on every topic on the planet

 

[SouthJerseyRU]

Someone with coaching experience already said GW is making the correct reads. Stick to grilling advice

This. In one of the other threads @gef21 said something to the effect of not all RPO looking plays are designed to have all 3 options. They make every handoff look the same even if it is just a RB run and the QB isn't reading anyone.


The following is linked to an Eagles site, but if you read it, you'll be a smarter fan. Make sure to look at the other articles in the previously on paragraph as well, you'll see the similarities in the RU offense and the offense a lot of teams run.

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com...eakdown-philadelphia-jalen-hurts-running-game

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Have said that every week, lol - it's there for the taking on at least a few plays every game. Watching him explode up the middle on that TD, he could make some big chunk running plays around the vacated end (especially if there's only 1 or even 0 WRs to that side).

I saw the explanation of that follow the RB QB run.. extra blocker the D does not account for. But I say we would put Lanagn at QB under center, and have a "fullback" right behind him.. one of the OL in an RB# Jersey.. and just push over center for 4 yards every down.

(yes, I think that should be illegal as well as WR blocking downfield because a "forward" pass gets caught behind the LOS. On that last point, just make it a live ball for any pass meant to be caught behind teh LOS. That's fair then... or once one WR throws a block, then the pass CANNOT be thrown over the LOS.

As it is now it is horribly unfair to the defense and it is nearly impossible to judge for refs.. so many balls get caught 1 yard over teh LOS but refs don't notice.)

 

[Jtung230]

As a the guy with 15,000 posts on every topic on the planet

I know everything some of the times.

 

[ashokan]

With the defenses having smaller and faster players these days, running outside isn't as successful as it once was. The risk of a big loss is higher outside than up the middle. You can also get popped by defenders with 10 yd running starts. If GW sees seomthing he should go for it but running around end to strategize Xs/Os might not be wise. Sideline tackles can also be career killers (Marcus DuPree, Bo Jackson and others).

Practically all running QBs having shorter careers, Its good GW limits runs to whats needed or open. Even Pacheco struggled making yards around end. Monangai made killing outside on Sat but that was because VT was weak there and RU knew it

 

[nutfromSEC117]

https://www.giants.com/video/daniel-jones-14-yard-td-run-giants-vs-jets-highlights

 

[RUScrew85]

I see like 2 TDs a game passed up because the D NEVER even plays the keeper.

 

[RUScrew85]

With the defenses having smaller and faster players these days, running outside isn't as successful as it once was. The risk of a big loss is higher outside than up the middle. You can also get popped by defenders with 10 yd running starts. If GW sees seomthing he should go for it but running around end to strategize Xs/Os might not be wise. Sideline tackles can also be career killers (Marcus DuPree, Bo Jackson and others).

Practically all running QBs having shorter careers, Its good GW limits runs to whats needed or open. Even Pacheco struggled making yards around end. Monangai made killing outside on Sat but that was because VT was weak there and RU knew it

I'm not saying run him 20 times a game, but 2 or three should be fine. Even if he is hurt, next guy up. This is cold but he's not exactly a Heisman candidate, we'd survive losing him for a bit if he got hurt. IMO three keepers a game is more than worth the risk.

 

[RU Husky]

Gavin is really a Wildcat QB who can sometimes throw and not an RPO guy in the more traditional sense. He has yet to learn how to stretch the defense with his arm or his legs but that day may come.

 

[gef21]

This. In one of the other threads @gef21 said something to the effect of not all RPO looking plays are designed to have all 3 options. They make every handoff look the same even if it is just a RB run and the QB isn't reading anyone.


The following is linked to an Eagles site, but if you read it, you'll be a smarter fan. Make sure to look at the other articles in the previously on paragraph as well, you'll see the similarities in the RU offense and the offense a lot of teams run.

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com...eakdown-philadelphia-jalen-hurts-running-game

The hard part is that we do not know the exact play being called. Have to watch every piece of every player to figure out if it is a RPO, an option, a true read etc.

I will say we do a nice job making a lot of our plays look very similar to other ones.

 

[sct1111]

Gavin is really a Wildcat QB who can sometimes throw and not an RPO guy in the more traditional sense. He has yet to learn how to stretch the defense with his arm or his legs but that day may come.

He already has a 60+ yard pass completion this year.

 

[RU848789]

The hard part is that we do not know the exact play being called. Have to watch every piece of every player to figure out if it is a RPO, an option, a true read etc.

I will say we do a nice job making a lot of our plays look very similar to other ones.

Good point on the play similarity with options - one thing I don't recall seeing that I'd like to see is not only Gavin keeping the ball on that RPO as he peels around the end, but then giving him the option to throw off that (requires disciplined OL play to not get guys ineligible). Gavin also deserves praise for always trying to sell that he kept the ball as he peels around end after handing the ball off. It's a little thing, but it helps keep the D more honest than if he just jogged it out.

 

[gef21]

Good point on the play similarity with options - one thing I don't recall seeing that I'd like to see is not only Gavin keeping the ball on that RPO as he peels around the end, but then giving him the option to throw off that (requires disciplined OL play to not get guys ineligible). Gavin also deserves praise for always trying to sell that he kept the ball as he peels around end after handing the ball off. It's a little thing, but it helps keep the D more honest than if he just jogged it out.

I can remember one play this year where we ran the RPO and he threw the slant (and it was wide open) but he missed. I expect to see more this week.

We seem to be becoming a stretch zone read option team which I absolutely love.

I've said for a long time that I love us in two TE sets with a single back. We did some awesome things with that against VT.

 

[RU Husky]

He already has a 60+ yard pass completion this year.

I didn't say he couldn't throw. But for some pretty amazing grabs by the receivers, he has a hard time beyond 15 yards. Passes to the TE and slants over the middle are his best options. Of course , a short pass to a RB who beaks a long YAC doesn't hurt either. I still think he's in a KISS learning bubble.

 

[yesrutgers01]

It kind of reminds me a little of early 2008. Our offense seemed stuck in the mud and very slow. I remember telling someone that we needed to see Teel do two things he hadn't been doing- a good play fake and pitching the ball outside to the RB- keeping in mind we were still pro set and under center.
I believe we started doing both fairly regular in that Pitt game that year.
But, it sort of reminds me of these very slow developing RPO's we run now.

 

[Jtung230]

Gavin is really a Wildcat QB who can sometimes throw and not an RPO guy in the more traditional sense. He has yet to learn how to stretch the defense with his arm or his legs but that day may come.

IMHO, he is a passer 1st runner 2nd.

 

[RUtrumpet92_rivals498139]

It kind of reminds me a little of early 2008. Our offense seemed stuck in the mud and very slow. I remember telling someone that we needed to see Teel do two things he hadn't been doing- a good play fake and pitching the ball outside to the RB- keeping in mind we were still pro set and under center.
I believe we started doing both fairly regular in that Pitt game that year.
But, it sort of reminds me of these very slow developing RPO's we run now.

Those pitch plays were deadly! I think Young would be dangerous in space on those tosses.

But I agree that Gavin pulling the RPO back and taking it to the corner a few times would really open up the play and possibly pop for some big gains until the defense adjusts. Right now, film study indicates it's not something for the defense to worry about.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

IMHO, he is a passer 1st runner 2nd.

IMO all qbs should be that. The running is just a bonus not a necessity.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Those pitch plays were deadly! I think Young would be dangerous in space on those tosses.

But I agree that Gavin pulling the RPO back and taking it to the corner a few times would really open up the play and possibly pop for some big gains until the defense adjusts. Right now, film study indicates it's not something for the defense to worry about.

^^^ exactly ^^^ force defenses to account for him every down.. stop them from just throwing everyone at teh middle in a response to what seems like a handoff up the middle... make them doubt that read. And start the games throwing and running GW outside on those playfakes. Get them to switch from run-stop.. which they will all be in 90% of the time.. to a more balanced D.. THEN run run run if that's your preference.