GDP down .3%

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jethreauxdawg

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One side says spending up. One side says spending down. Tell me this, why in the holy hell can we not all agree on what should be a damned FACT? I don't even know the answer, all I know is that it should be a universally accepted fact. We can argue about whether it's good or bad or why it's up or down, but being up or down should not be able to be argued. So which is it?

I mean I just had some clown yesterday argue with me that 2020 was not chaos. I don't care who you voted for, how can that be debated?
Because percentages are relative to another number.
 

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Biden and the Dems really screwed up on the border. I suspect if Trump hadn't gone all in on tariffs he's still be above water in popularity and we wouldn't have such a decline in the stock market and economic uncertainty. But tariffs have become the new ivermectin for MAGA.

I've become a big fan of not electing anyone over age 70 as president. Look at Biden and Trump. 78-year-old brains don't work well for most 78-year-olds and they are close to the average life span for a male brain.
A reasonable post. And from someone who disagrees with me. At least we can find common ground without me being called out as being in a cult. In fact, I am not. Yes, that is directed at Horshack.

About the brain comment - it was obvious to anyone paying attention that Biden was not all there. You can not like what Trump says. You can disagree with it. You can say he isn't smart or otherwise question his intelligence. But you can't reasonably claim that he doesn't know what he is saying or doing. Comparing Biden's and Trump's brains are not equal and most everyone knows it.

Still, even though Trump is below 50% approval rating, his approval rating is still higher than the Democrats. Like Joe Biden said many times "Don't compare me to the Almighty. Compare me to the alternative." More people are comparing Trump to the alternative and are happier he is in office than the alternative.
 

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What’s impressive is the certainty and expertise on here by so many about complex and nuanced issues like the US and world economy, foreign policy, and immigration. So many absolute answers to complex problems and issues. I am always so impressed by how everyone has it all figured out and knows the exact right answer once these conversations start. **************
 

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A reasonable post. And from someone who disagrees with me. At least we can find common ground without me being called out as being in a cult. In fact, I am not. Yes, that is directed at Horshack.

About the brain comment - it was obvious to anyone paying attention that Biden was not all there. You can not like what Trump says. You can disagree with it. You can say he isn't smart or otherwise question his intelligence. But you can't reasonably claim that he doesn't know what he is saying or doing. Comparing Biden's and Trump's brains are not equal and most everyone knows it.

Still, even though Trump is below 50% approval rating, his approval rating is still higher than the Democrats. Like Joe Biden said many times "Don't compare me to the Almighty. Compare me to the alternative." More people are comparing Trump to the alternative and are happier he is in office than the alternative.
Biden has greater cognitive decline. But compare 2016 Trump in the Republican primaries, he was sharp, funny, had a greater vocabulary, to now. I was a Desantis supporter. I like what he's done in Florida with a few exceptions
 
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What’s impressive is the certainty and expertise on here by so many about complex and nuanced issues like the US and world economy, foreign policy, and immigration. So many absolute answers to complex problems and issues. I am always so impressed by how everyone has it all figured out and knows the exact right answer once these conversations start. **************
Sir, this is Six Pack Speak dot Com
 

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You can make trade deals without screwing up our economy and the world economy, by not publicly treating allies and enemies the same and by not threatening and insulting just about everyone but Putin. It's bizarre. Clips from White House cabinet meetings look like something out of North Korea where Dear Leader is praised profusely for saving America from disaster and pronouns.
You saw a clip from a cabinet meeting? I saw one yesterday, but did not see one in the last 4 years. I did however hear the talking points that must have been issued at those meetings. That Biden was "sharp as a tack" and he "controlled the meeting" and was "In command the whole time". As a matter of fact, that sounded cultish because they all were saying the same thing.

If you want to talk about screwing over the economy, that happened under the previous administration spent between 6 and 7 trillion dollars in wasteful spending, which drove up inflation. The stock market crashed, much much harder than the tariffs have caused and rates had to be raised continually. But you were saying?
 
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How do you state this in the face of our federal government spending $200 billion more this year than last year so far?
Not all government spending counts as an increase in GDP. Interest on debt and social security transfers don't count towards GDP. Medicare payments to providers do. So you could have increasing government spending while its contribution to GDP is declining. Don't think that's what's happening here.

Spending is escalating based on automatic spending, both "mandatory" spending and spending that's already appropriated. There's probably not a realistic way for the Trump administration to cut enough spending just to offset the scheduled increases in spending outside of "mandatory" programs.
 

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Biden has greater cognitive decline. But compare 2016 Trump in the Republican primaries, he was sharp, funny, had a greater vocabulary, to now. I was a Desantis supporter. I like what he's done in Florida with a few exceptions
He is still funny. He is genuinely a funny person. And he is still pretty sharp.
 

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I watch CNBC almost every morning for awhile to see what’s happening in the markets but over the last few years I have come to the conclusion that the various employment, inflation, and spending index reports put out by the government are no closer to the truth than anything else published and communicated by the Federal Government. Last year before the Presidential election we would just laugh when they published the various inflation reports. Anyone with any sense at all could stop at the gas station, go to the grocery store, and then hit Burger King on the way back home and clearly see that their numbers were nothing but bull ****.
 
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I think that if my dad had left me 9 figures of wealth I could have possibly only bankrupted 5 companies, or maybe even zero, but I’m not nearly as bright as our king.
Tell me you don't get anything from your echo chamber without telling me you don't get anything you read from your echo chamber.

Yes, he had some bankruptcies. But he also tranformed the New York skyline and became a multi billionaire in the process. He didn't inherit 9 figures from his dad. It was in the single digit millions, but not hundreds of millions.
 
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Being in a cult makes it hard to come by facts so I’ll help.

Great moments in self awareness.

The BS numbers you are touting come from a lack of mathing combined with total disregard for how trumps cancelling the asylum (I.e. legal immigration path) program on day 1. The sheer number of crap data that MAGAs will ingest and parrot is crazy.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection data:

  • Border officials encountered migrants trying to cross the U.S. southern border 20,086 times during Biden’s last seven days in office. That’s an average of 2,869 times a day.
  • During Trump’s first seven days, border officials encountered migrants trying to cross the U.S. southern border 7,287 times. An average of 1,041 times a day.
That’s a 60 percent drop, not a 95 percent drop as the White House claimed in its Instagram post.

I don't know how much of this is a conscious strategy, but it's pretty funny watching him exaggerate numbers that are already great for him, and then having his political enemies amplify good numbers for him essentially saying "Trump claimed this data was fantastic for him; but if you look, it's only really, really good for him, not fantastic. He's terrible." This one is even better because it's basically, "Trump is claiming he's fantastic on an issue that many (or was it most?) ranked as their number one priority. But it turns out he's only really really good on this issue that voters care so much about.

Additionally, the White House and Fox News are using encounters both at official ports of entry and between them. Under Biden’s administration, people could make appointments at official ports of entry and be legally allowed to enter the U.S. to seek asylum. Those appointments still counted as encounters, even though they did not not represent illegal immigration. Trump ended that program on his first day in office and cancelled all existing appointments.
In other words, Trump ended the policy of ushering in illegal immigrants with frivolous asylum claims and is taking credit for it. That is going to seem pretty reasonable to most people not deranged.
 
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