Get ready for war with Iran

d2atTech

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Odd dynamic to even discuss this , we should be holding a parade or shouting Hoorah in the streets . But some seem unhappy . We just wiped out a commander who orchestrated an attack on our Embassy . Rejoice , this bad guy is gone. And several others . Gone . Lets the other leaders over there know that if they mess with the USA the retaliation will be quick , accurate and deadly .

I don’t like trump and I didn’t vote for him. But, I strongly support his statement that this was a move to prevent a war. The more he acts like this and the less he tweets, the more he seems like a good leader.
 

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Did you have a stroke?

 

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You think people with some rifles are going to stop a military that is vastly superior in armory, strategy, funding, and training? This isn’t the 1700s and 1800s where the guns used were largely muzzle loading rifles.
Ask the Afghans. They kicked Russia out. The liberal fixation on muzzle loaders is hilarious. 300 million vs 5 million, yes I think the rifles win
 

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Let me preface by v saying I'm not a Trump supporter. I lean left. But first and foremost I'm a Kentuckian and an American. Screw the politics. This is possibly war. I absolutely abhor how divided we've become. As another Kentuckian said, I don't wish for another 9/11 but another 9/12 would be great. We were all together. We realized how petty we treated each other and that we were all Americans. That's it.

Look, when I was in Iraq, Iranian weapons and disguised soldiers were wreaking havoc in the southern and eastern parts of the country. They had a particularly nasty ied that was amour piercing and killed hundreds of our guys. Killing that ****** is fine with me.

My fear is what comes next. If anyone thinks war with Iran would be easy or that bombing them will do the trick are delusional. Everyone thought Iraq would be easy, and Afghanistan too. Iran is a much larger country. It's troops won't just give up like in Iraq. They are not going to fight us in conventional warfare. We will get bogged down while igniting another power vacuum that will allow jihads to flow in. Our military is built to take on large enemy units. We've come a long way in asymmetrical warfare but still. This is all about if we were to invade.

The biggest obstacles would be here. The public overwhelmingly are opposed to this war, if it were to happen. Our military has been stretched to thin with 2 decades of war. I truly hope it doesn't come to that. I wouldn't wish war on my worst enemy. It takes part of your soul.
 
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You all need to relax, there will be no war. The mullahs are living on borrowed time, and the sanctions are properly creating the economic hardships which feed the resentment their (mostly young) population feels as evidenced by the massive protests in Iran. Soleimani was essentially the vice-President to the Ayatollah and had a lot of blood on his hands. No war will occur & what will ultimately bring down this regime is the economy, high gas prices, inflation, unemployment, and the continued deteriorating domestic conditions.

Our economic warfare may bring down this regime. Having said that, sometimes a bully needs to be punched in the mouth to humble him and put him back in his proper place.
 

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You all need to relax, there will be no war. The mullahs are living on borrowed time, and the sanctions are properly creating the economic hardships which feed the resentment their (mostly young) population feels as evidenced by the massive protests in Iran. Soleimani was essentially the vice-President to the Ayatollah and had a lot of blood on his hands. No war will occur & what will ultimately bring down this regime is the economy, high gas prices, inflation, unemployment, and the continued deteriorating domestic conditions.

Our economic warfare may bring down this regime. Having said that, sometimes a bully needs to be punched in the mouth to humble him and put him back in his proper place.

sure but keep in mind that the bully 60 years ago was the shah that we put in place. Dictatorships don’t work, whether they are dictators we place or they place. Toppling dictators sucks for the short run (I.e. Iraq) but in long term interest of the people. War does this on a much shorter timeline than economic warfare
 

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We either need to come out and say one of two things: “We are the world’s police. We will decide who is in charge in every middle eastern country from now until forever. We will occupy every middle eastern country as we see fit, and benefit from the economic resources in the area”. Or, we just need to pull out and let the Middle East fend for themselves. Trying to do a combination of both is not working. As soon as one regime topples, a worse regime replaces it. Rinse and repeat.
 

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We either need to come out and say one of two things: “We are the world’s police. We will decide who is in charge in every middle eastern country from now until forever. We will occupy every middle eastern country as we see fit, and benefit from the economic resources in the area”. Or, we just need to pull out and let the Middle East fend for themselves. Trying to do a combination of both is not working. As soon as one regime topples, a worse regime replaces it. Rinse and repeat.
We should have just gone in, did our job fully, and then get out and let them pick up their own pieces. Start it again? Level the place.
 

warrior-cat

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You are right. Leveling the Middle East is not backwards at all. Carry on.
Not when we are talking about taking out there ability to attack/terrorize anyone else. Those who facilitate it happening too. Now, with all of that being said, I want us out of there and just let them take each other out.
 

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Not when we are talking about taking out there ability to attack/terrorize anyone else. Those who facilitate it happening too. Now, with all of that being said, I want us out of there and just let them take each other out.

Thank you, a reasonable opinion which I also share. Let’s just gtfo of there all together.
 
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it’s not a liberal thing, but you aren’t right on this plan from a game theory perspective. Local militaries keep the peace when they are incented to do so. Removing strongmen leadership is all that is needed.
Maybe, but sometimes, you get worse than what what you had before and my point is there. If they start up again (against us) take out their ability to do so for the foreseeable future. Other than that, get out of there and let them eat each other. We do not need to be there anymore. I don't care what happens after that. If the people there want change, they need to do it themselves.
 
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Just a side note pushing my opinion. I have been there in Saudi, Iraq, and Kuwait and have seen the hate from many of those in the countries that were our allies. Went into a few towns on RR (Saudi) and from my personal experiences found that most don't want us there.
 
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Just a side note pushing my opinion. I have been there in Saudi, Iraq, and Kuwait and have seen the hate from many of those in the countries that were our allies. Went into a few towns on RR (Saudi) and from my personal experiences found that most don't want us there.

you are right there. Same sentiment in other countries too. We needed to secure oil at an earlier stage.

no longer needed. Our shale reserves give us a few hundred years of commercial and military fuel. Assuming, which seems likely at the moment, that private transport moves to electric.

we definately don’t need more debt. We should turtle for the next decade, pay off our debts, and rebuild our national infrastructure.

Middle East is not the existential threat, it will be the Chinese.