Give me your opinion on an hypothetical.

[Airport]

Your beautiful 10 year old daughter is kidnapped. The FBI is called in and a profile is given, white male between the ages of 25-40. Do you want the police to look for the most likely, profiling a criminal, or to stop as many men as women, black, brown or white? The reason I said white male is that who is most likely to do something like that.

 

[TarHeelEer]

Your beautiful 10 year old daughter is kidnapped. The FBI is called in and a profile is given, white male between the ages of 25-40. Do you want the police to look for the most likely, profiling a criminal, or to stop as many men as women, black, brown or white? The reason I said white male is that who is most likely to do something like that.

I profiled Thanksgiving night, and loved it.

Our church has a community service project that we go out among the shoppers on Black Friday and give money to those who look like they need it most, as well as a Bible, and card with a message of hope. We look for their clothing, counting pennies, what's in their cart, etc. My wife and I chose a single unemployed mother based on profiling and prayers to God.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Your beautiful 10 year old daughter is kidnapped. The FBI is called in and a profile is given, white male between the ages of 25-40. Do you want the police to look for the most likely, profiling a criminal, or to stop as many men as women, black, brown or white? The reason I said white male is that who is most likely to do something like that.

That's a lot different than stop and frisk. First off, you have a crime committed and a description of the perp. In this country, it is unconstitutional to randomly stop people and search them without probable cause. In your kidnapping scenario, you have probable cause to stop a white male 25-40 yo. As Ben Franklin famously said, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Your beautiful 10 year old daughter is kidnapped. The FBI is called in and a profile is given, white male between the ages of 25-40. Do you want the police to look for the most likely, profiling a criminal, or to stop as many men as women, black, brown or white? The reason I said white male is that who is most likely to do something like that.

And btw, I think these DUI checkpoints are blatantly unconstitutional. If not for this GOP stacked supreme court, it would be.

 

[rog1187]

That's a lot different than stop and frisk. First off, you have a crime committed and a description of the perp. In this country, it is unconstitutional to randomly stop people and search them without probable cause. In your kidnapping scenario, you have probable cause to stop a white male 25-40 yo. As Ben Franklin famously said, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

In his scenario I believe there is no description of a perp...he said the FBI gave a profile (of a possible perp).

 

[WhiteTailEER]

In his scenario I believe there is no description of a perp...he said the FBI gave a profile (of a possible perp).

Regardless, RPJ's point still seems valid, you have a crime that's been committed. Even at that, I think they have to have more to go on to establish probable cause than just being the right race and age range.

 

[Airport]

That's a lot different than stop and frisk. First off, you have a crime committed and a description of the perp. In this country, it is unconstitutional to randomly stop people and search them without probable cause. In your kidnapping scenario, you have probable cause to stop a white male 25-40 yo. As Ben Franklin famously said, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

It's profiling and there's nothing that indicates that one specific person did this other than he fits the profile. If it had been a black male, would you still feel the same? Stop and frisk isn't a blatant violation but if the supreme court said it was, then it would have to stop. I just want to point out how liberals feel about the law. Nobody addressed the fact that if it were their daughter, what would they do. If it were mine, I'd want every white male stopped that could be found. Screw the whining ninnies.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

It's profiling and there's nothing that indicates that one specific person did this other than he fits the profile. If it had been a black male, would you still feel the same? Stop and frisk isn't a blatant violation but if the supreme court said it was, then it would have to stop. I just want to point out how liberals feel about the law. Nobody addressed the fact that if it were their daughter, what would they do. If it were mine, I'd want every white male stopped that could be found. Screw the whining ninnies.

Of course you would want everyone stopped if it was your daughter. You would be acting emotionally which is understandable. Parents who lose their kids to gun violence often are emotional and adamant about banning guns too. But we have laws and we have a Constitution. We don't willy nilly violate the constitution because of emotion. It always amusing me how wingnuts want to pick and choose the laws and amendments that we honor. It's hypocritical. Which is par for the course.

 

[Airport]

My point was the people who don't like profiling, which is what a profiler does, vs probable cause. There is no probable cause to stop whites only but I'd be ok with it if you were looking for a kidnapped kid. I'm alright with stop and frisk if done out in the open and the person is hanging out on a street corner doing absolutely nothing in a high crime area. Sorry if that ruffles a few feathers but that would do more to curb gun violence than any law you could enact.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Of course you would want everyone stopped if it was your daughter. You would be acting emotionally which is understandable. Parents who lose their kids to gun violence often are emotional and adamant about banning guns too. But we have laws and we have a Constitution. We don't willy nilly violate the constitution because of emotion. It always amusing me how wingnuts want to pick and choose the laws and amendments that we honor. It's hypocritical. Which is par for the course.

To say that it's just people on the right is dishonest. People, left and right are far too quick to give up their rights over emotion. The liberal left is just as willing to violate the 2nd and the 1st.

 

[mule_eer]

My point was the people who don't like profiling, which is what a profiler does, vs probable cause. There is no probable cause to stop whites only but I'd be ok with it if you were looking for a kidnapped kid. I'm alright with stop and frisk if done out in the open and the person is hanging out on a street corner doing absolutely nothing in a high crime area. Sorry if that ruffles a few feathers but that would do more to curb gun violence than any law you could enact.

Making this an emotional argument is silly. This isn't about emotion. It's about the rules by which we let our government operate. How do you feel about the push on campuses to limit free speech? I don't like it. I don't like it because people are using emotional pleas to limit the freedoms of other people. I feel the same way about the second amendment and the fourth amendment. If you suspect that person on a street corner in a neighborhood is up to no good, sit on the corner for a bit. Like I said before, if we are willing to search him without warrant or cause, why not just run him in instead? Heck, you could constitutionally keep him in custody for a while. If he didn't do anything wrong, it's only a minor inconvenience for him anyway.

 

[mneilmont]

Perhaps get someone's ire up just a bit regarding profiling. Be a policeman on the street attempting to be as efficient as possible. Whatever the culprit has done, an officer gets on the scene and gets a description. He puts on the air description of perp: B/M, 25-30, 6/2, 200, wearing blue t - shirt and white pants and black loafers. Officers on the look out eliminate a hell of a lot of people who do not fit the description. They are selective in the persons they stop and question.

Or, walk the line officer makes the scene and put description of perp on the air: Wearing blue shirt. Officers stop everything in the city who wears a blue shirt. Chances of success are slim, but have a very impressive trip sheet to show activity of a super cop doing extreme amount of work, just not productive.

Supremes probably should distinguish when profiling is appropriate to keep those who do not fit profile from being inconvenienced.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Your beautiful 10 year old daughter is kidnapped. The FBI is called in and a profile is given, white male between the ages of 25-40. Do you want the police to look for the most likely, profiling a criminal, or to stop as many men as women, black, brown or white? The reason I said white male is that who is most likely to do something like that.

So, in saying that, you'd be OK with a murder suspect who lives in a "white 2-story house with black shudders".....and the police should go to every neighborhood around the city and knock on the door and go in and search every home.....right?

 

[Airport]

So, in saying that, you'd be OK with a murder suspect who lives in a "white 2-story house with black shudders".....and the police should go to every neighborhood around the city and knock on the door and go in and search every home.....right?

Yes, to find a kidnapped kid.

 

[Airport]

Making this an emotional argument is silly. This isn't about emotion. It's about the rules by which we let our government operate. How do you feel about the push on campuses to limit free speech? I don't like it. I don't like it because people are using emotional pleas to limit the freedoms of other people. I feel the same way about the second amendment and the fourth amendment. If you suspect that person on a street corner in a neighborhood is up to no good, sit on the corner for a bit. Like I said before, if we are willing to search him without warrant or cause, why not just run him in instead? Heck, you could constitutionally keep him in custody for a while. If he didn't do anything wrong, it's only a minor inconvenience for him anyway.

Funny about the free speech, it's by the left that wants to limit uncomfortable speech. We conservatives are use to being called everything in the book. So should the liberals. Liberals like free speech as long as you agree with them. I'm assuming you're talking about what happened on Missour campus. The lady at the center of it asking for muscle graduated from Cave Spring HS here in Roanoke. Do you want to stop gun violence or not. These people are out in the open on govt owned and maintained streets. Why wouldn't be legal? I think it's been upheld by the courts. I could be wrong but I haven't seen any ruling to the contrary.

 

[Airport]

Of course you would want everyone stopped if it was your daughter. You would be acting emotionally which is understandable. Parents who lose their kids to gun violence often are emotional and adamant about banning guns too. But we have laws and we have a Constitution. We don't willy nilly violate the constitution because of emotion. It always amusing me how wingnuts want to pick and choose the laws and amendments that we honor. It's hypocritical. Which is par for the course.

Adam ward's mom is my patient and we had a fairly long talk two weeks ago. They have kept to themselves and not made a public statement. The parker's were very liberal and had made themselves known in the area before the shooting took place. After the shooting, parker's dad threatened a state rep. about gun control. One went over the edge and one kept to themselves. Two different responses from the same horrific incident.

 

[mneilmont]

Liberals like free

anything. As long as someone else is paying the bill, they not only like, but they demand entitlements.

 

[mule_eer]

Funny about the free speech, it's by the left that wants to limit uncomfortable speech. We conservatives are use to being called everything in the book. So should the liberals. Liberals like free speech as long as you agree with them. I'm assuming you're talking about what happened on Missour campus. The lady at the center of it asking for muscle graduated from Cave Spring HS here in Roanoke. Do you want to stop gun violence or not. These people are out in the open on govt owned and maintained streets. Why wouldn't be legal? I think it's been upheld by the courts. I could be wrong but I haven't seen any ruling to the contrary.

And I disagree with the liberals who want to censor based on potential offense to some people. It's interesting to note that Obama spoke about how he disliked things like Rutgers rescinding the invitation to Ms Rice.

I'm not willing to sacrifice liberty for safety. That means stopping someone because you think they may possibly be carrying something illegal isn't okay.

Also, your analogy is bad. Stop and frisk isn't about solving a specific crime. It's about stopping people at random.

 

[bornaneer]

So, in saying that, you'd be OK with a murder suspect who lives in a "white 2-story house with black shudders".....and the police should go to every neighborhood around the city and knock on the door and go in and search every home.....right?

Thats the way detective work is done in many cases. If a suspect is seen getting away in a blue 1995 Buick, within 20 minutes they have a list of everyone who owns a blue 1995 Buick in the area and they check all of them out.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Thats the way detective work is done in many cases. If a suspect is seen getting away in a blue 1995 Buick, within 20 minutes they have a list of everyone who owns a blue 1995 Buick in the area and they check all of them out.

Maybe so, but they aren't popping the trunk and searching underneath the seats in that situation either. Sorry, but I'm not letting the police come in my home and search without a warrant. This isn't Boston in the 1770's.

 

[bornaneer]

Maybe so, but they aren't popping the trunk and searching underneath the seats in that situation either. Sorry, but I'm not letting the police come in my home and search without a warrant. This isn't Boston in the 1770's.

Agreed,