Glad the SEC was down this year...
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the NCAA doesn't like it when the SEC dominates college baseball.
They do not want an All-SEC final.
They would love a Stony Brook/Kent State final or for one of those teams to take down a SEC team.
Also- the ACC only has one team in Omaha.
They do not want an All-SEC final.
They would love a Stony Brook/Kent State final or for one of those teams to take down a SEC team.
Also- the ACC only has one team in Omaha.
They thought they had set it up for LSU to waltz to Omaha; they would have been on the other side of the bracket than UF, Ark, and USC.
We also would have been in the non-SEC bracket too******
Sticking the Bears over there though instead of KY, Vandy, or Arkansas was a clever ploy, they knew they wouldn't make it out of a Super*
We also would have been in the non-SEC bracket too******
Sticking the Bears over there though instead of KY, Vandy, or Arkansas was a clever ploy, they knew they wouldn't make it out of a Super*
I think the cream rose to the top, outside of Arkansas- I really didn't predict it for them just because it didn't seem like their pitching had anything going towards the end. Didn't really watch any of their regionals, so I don't know. Fielding was suspect, too. Apparently Cohen saw it, who knows.<div>
</div><div>Florida- lot of talent. No reason for them to lose it last year. They may be coming for revenge this year... we'll see, I question their effort sometimes (relative to their level of talent).</div><div>
</div><div>USC is exactly where they should be. Slow starts don't worry me like slow finishes do, and this team has been building for this all year. We know Tanner is a good coach, but I think the way he managed this team this year shows a lot. He was extremely patient with them and brought them along on his schedule and nobody else's.</div><div>
</div><div>I like studying coaching a lot. Don't know why, but I've always been really fascinated by it. Everybody has personal preferences, but to me the best coaches are the guys that do it like Tanner. They know their team and know the type schedule they need to be on (this is my theory and how it makes sense to me).</div><div>
</div><div>I think Cohen did a terrific job with that this year until SEC Tourney. I think he (like many) got a little excited and probably overused some of our guys (we had a lot of chronic injuries to be going that many days in a row- overuse is easy to accomplish). Bash me if you want, but it's just what it I think. I think there's a lot of rhyme and reason to good coaching. I think you can go deep in the tourney, even win it, and still come out well in the end if you use your depth well and don't get anyone hurt. You have to have the right team for that, though. Like FL last year. If you don't have the personnel, I think it benefits you more to get out earlier and rest more- ESP. those injured. (This is, of course, relative to the current tourney format; if they change it, it may not apply.)</div><div>
</div><div>I am proud of our team and the trophy- no doubt. I don't blame Cohen one bit for wanting to win. But I wouldn't have minded doing without if it would have helped us later on. And, it may not have. I do think he's mentioned he thought we may could have used a little more rest, though. The one week is fine for most healthy guys, but not always for guys like Norris and Brownlee and especially Slauter (who did fine) who just played a week on bad joints that are pretty irritated. I do think it helped Arkansas- may have gotten them the bid they did. Not sure how in the world we got ours. You can certainly never predict that.</div><div>
</div><div>There's my sermon. I'm going to bed.</div>
</div><div>Florida- lot of talent. No reason for them to lose it last year. They may be coming for revenge this year... we'll see, I question their effort sometimes (relative to their level of talent).</div><div>
</div><div>USC is exactly where they should be. Slow starts don't worry me like slow finishes do, and this team has been building for this all year. We know Tanner is a good coach, but I think the way he managed this team this year shows a lot. He was extremely patient with them and brought them along on his schedule and nobody else's.</div><div>
</div><div>I like studying coaching a lot. Don't know why, but I've always been really fascinated by it. Everybody has personal preferences, but to me the best coaches are the guys that do it like Tanner. They know their team and know the type schedule they need to be on (this is my theory and how it makes sense to me).</div><div>
</div><div>I think Cohen did a terrific job with that this year until SEC Tourney. I think he (like many) got a little excited and probably overused some of our guys (we had a lot of chronic injuries to be going that many days in a row- overuse is easy to accomplish). Bash me if you want, but it's just what it I think. I think there's a lot of rhyme and reason to good coaching. I think you can go deep in the tourney, even win it, and still come out well in the end if you use your depth well and don't get anyone hurt. You have to have the right team for that, though. Like FL last year. If you don't have the personnel, I think it benefits you more to get out earlier and rest more- ESP. those injured. (This is, of course, relative to the current tourney format; if they change it, it may not apply.)</div><div>
</div><div>I am proud of our team and the trophy- no doubt. I don't blame Cohen one bit for wanting to win. But I wouldn't have minded doing without if it would have helped us later on. And, it may not have. I do think he's mentioned he thought we may could have used a little more rest, though. The one week is fine for most healthy guys, but not always for guys like Norris and Brownlee and especially Slauter (who did fine) who just played a week on bad joints that are pretty irritated. I do think it helped Arkansas- may have gotten them the bid they did. Not sure how in the world we got ours. You can certainly never predict that.</div><div>
</div><div>There's my sermon. I'm going to bed.</div>
Because you force the coaches to either:
1. Tank it, which totally against what all the coaches are preaching to their team the entire year and sends mixed messages.
2. Wear your team out. Vandy who won the other side of the bracket in the SEC Tournament also didn't go very far.
We lost the regional ultimately because:
1. Chris Stratton had the worst performance of the year in game one, and Holder had his worst performance in game three.
2. We couldn't hit worth a damn. Emphasis on this because when you get shut out, it didn't matter how well Stratton pitched. We were reduced to trying to make it a war of attrition between bullpens and outlasting them. That's really tough to ask a pitching staff to do.
3. We had to play Sam Frost out of position because of our third baseman being hurt.
In short- we have to hit better and they need to do something about the format. I said even before we won the thing that it was ridiculously long. College baseball teams are used to playing one game during the middle of the week and three on the weekend. Not a game a day from Tuesday to Sunday.
1. Tank it, which totally against what all the coaches are preaching to their team the entire year and sends mixed messages.
2. Wear your team out. Vandy who won the other side of the bracket in the SEC Tournament also didn't go very far.
We lost the regional ultimately because:
1. Chris Stratton had the worst performance of the year in game one, and Holder had his worst performance in game three.
2. We couldn't hit worth a damn. Emphasis on this because when you get shut out, it didn't matter how well Stratton pitched. We were reduced to trying to make it a war of attrition between bullpens and outlasting them. That's really tough to ask a pitching staff to do.
3. We had to play Sam Frost out of position because of our third baseman being hurt.
In short- we have to hit better and they need to do something about the format. I said even before we won the thing that it was ridiculously long. College baseball teams are used to playing one game during the middle of the week and three on the weekend. Not a game a day from Tuesday to Sunday.
in the same conference in the same regional. That means people are going to be on both sides of the bracket when you are talking about the SEC.
They don't mind two teams from the same conference meeting up in a SR- see us and Florida last year, and also in Omaha. Once you get to that point, you almost can't help it.
Yes, two SEC teams matching up in Omaha may happen, but like I said- the NCAA doesn't like it.
They don't mind two teams from the same conference meeting up in a SR- see us and Florida last year, and also in Omaha. Once you get to that point, you almost can't help it.
Yes, two SEC teams matching up in Omaha may happen, but like I said- the NCAA doesn't like it.
Nobody can claim that Stratton was "worn out" from the SEC tournament. He was pitching on 8 days rest, and as I recall he didn't go all that deep in the SECT game to begin with.
We couldn't hit worth a damn all season.
I agree. That hurt. I think Frost is actually a pretty good defensive 2B, but he sucks at 3B.
I agree that the SEC could come up with a better format for the tournament. They could go to single elimination and take all 14 teams or take 12 teams and play round-robin in 4 groups of 3, then the semis and finals. Either of those formats would be 4 games max. But the current format is actually a little easier on teams than the old format was. We didn't lose the regional because of the SEC tournament format.
We played pretty well against UAB in the regional actually. And we had four days of rest between the SEC Tournament and the regionals. So, yeah- I agree we didn't lose the regional because of the SEC Tournament. That was the point I was trying to make anyway.
But I don't see how you can say that the new format is easier on a team than the old one was. One more game means you have to go through another day of pitching for your staff.
But I don't see how you can say that the new format is easier on a team than the old one was. One more game means you have to go through another day of pitching for your staff.
Not sure anyone would blame Chris for being tired- he wasn't. Just a bad outing. Happens.<div>patdog said:
</div><div>Not saying we lost it because of the format- but I do think it sucks. I think, for US, we would have benefitted more by getting some injuries home early and taking a little extra rest. We use the same guys in the field every game. Even guys that did "okay"- Slauter, Rea namely, could have most definitely used it. Never know what a refreshed team will do- and we won't know. So, we lost by our own decisions (my theory that can't be proven).</div><div>
</div><div>I'd be fine if we had a bunch of guys that were pretty healthy and a catcher that had a few more breaks- otherwise, I just don't really like it for us in general. Knee-jerk reaction, we looked pretty worn-down in that first game and just never did look "right". Just the eye test. Don't freak out- that's no one's fault but ours.</div><div>
</div><div>Lied, can't fall asleep. Whoops.</div>
If all three teams are 1-1 how would you determine the tiebreak? Total runs and run differential are not measures of baseball success so I wouldn't like to see it be a determining factor. I like my idea from May 25th
MUCH less chance of a 3 team tie than a 3 team round robin. If two teams are tied then you look at head to head.
MSDawg34 said:
MUCH less chance of a 3 team tie than a 3 team round robin. If two teams are tied then you look at head to head.
put in his whole stack trying to win SECT. It worked and it's a nice accomplishment we can build on. No way we could have beat good hitting teams like FSU or Stony Brook or several others on the way to CWS
They should reseed just by keeping the old seeds, just to keep the brackets more balanced:<div>
</div><div><div>1 Florida</div><div>2 UCLA</div><div>3 Florida State</div><div>8 South Carolina</div><div>(1) Arizona</div><div>(2) Arkansas</div><div>(3) Kent State</div><div>(4) Stony Brook</div></div>
</div><div><div>1 Florida</div><div>2 UCLA</div><div>3 Florida State</div><div>8 South Carolina</div><div>(1) Arizona</div><div>(2) Arkansas</div><div>(3) Kent State</div><div>(4) Stony Brook</div></div>
In the old format you had to play 6 games in 5 days to come through the loser's bracket to win the tournament. In the new format you have to play 6 games in 6 days to win it. Yeah, we had to play an extra game in the early part of the tournament since we didn't do well enough during the season to get a bye. But we also missed a 2nd bracket final game against Kentucky that we would have had to play under the old format. Both the new and old formats call for a minimum of 4 games and a maximum of 6 to win the tournament. The difference is the new format spreads those games over 1 more day.
was Mitch Slaughter. I know the dude is tough but catching 6 days in a row is a big time grind. Other than that, we really didn't overuse anyone, pitchers included, other than the realistic fact that they did have to play 6 days in a row. Probably the most used guy was Ross Mitchell and he is not a power pitcher but may have been the one pitcher affected. Brandon Woodruff was the only 2 time starter and he only pitched 3 innings in the Sunday start but I don't believe pitched at all in the regional. I just think the combination of the emotional letdown after winning the SEC tourney coupled with the bad outing by Stratton was our doom in the regional. Our team this year, due to our pathetic offense, had a RAZOR thin margin of error anyway. They guys wanted to win the SEC tourney and pulled it off and then it was tough to get mentally focused again for a regional. Might have even helped us if we had played a team in the regional with a little bit more of a name. Obviously Samford had a quality team but when you hear you are playing "Samford" in the regional I doubt it gets your juices flowing as a player.
We did have a down game against Samford on Thursday, but whether that is caused by the SECT is far from certain. In the immortal words of RP, "That's baseball."
It is a shame that we didn't have a way to rest Slaughter. That is a lot of squatting for one man.
I personally like the new SECT format. Single elimination is not an idea with legs for a conference baseball tournament. I think that with the goals of the change in mind, there is no way that the tournament could be formatted any better. I think especially that the switch to single elim at the semi-final round was a stroke of genius.
It is a shame that we didn't have a way to rest Slaughter. That is a lot of squatting for one man.
I personally like the new SECT format. Single elimination is not an idea with legs for a conference baseball tournament. I think that with the goals of the change in mind, there is no way that the tournament could be formatted any better. I think especially that the switch to single elim at the semi-final round was a stroke of genius.
two powerhouses played. That's how they'll make the most money. Only the die-hards will watch a Stoney Brook vs Kent State final.
And the NCAA did not set the field to have all 3 SEC teams on one side. MSU, LSU, and OM all had a chance to be in the non-SEC bracket and failed to do so.</p>
And the NCAA did not set the field to have all 3 SEC teams on one side. MSU, LSU, and OM all had a chance to be in the non-SEC bracket and failed to do so.</p>