Global Temperature Update through April...
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At the beginning of the Dinosaur age (The Triassic) the Appalachian region straddled the equator. Also do yourself a favor and look up the Deccan and Siberian Traps. Massive volcanic provinces has led to greenhouse conditions before. The configuration of the continents have changed quite a bit in the past 150 million years with oceans opening/closing, air currents changing due to mountain building and erosion. Yes, the planet was a lot hotter during most of the Mesozoic.
Problems i have with "global warming".
"Global" - A distinct word with a distinct meaning. Does not apply.
"Warming" - Gives the impression there are no areas that have cooled.
"Urban Heat Island" - Richly understood yet poorly accounted for.
"Oceans rising" - For every place the water has risen, in another it fell.
"Heat stored in deep ocean" - This is where they finally jumped the shark.
"Global" - A distinct word with a distinct meaning. Does not apply.
"Warming" - Gives the impression there are no areas that have cooled.
"Urban Heat Island" - Richly understood yet poorly accounted for.
"Oceans rising" - For every place the water has risen, in another it fell.
"Heat stored in deep ocean" - This is where they finally jumped the shark.
Relax...it would've been much worse 80-90 years ago per EPA Heat Wave index:
Source: http://www.epa.gov/climate/climatechange/pdfs/print_heat-waves.pdf
No wonder the nazis rose to power. Heat makes folks cranky.
You would agree that there are a *few* variables at work when it comes to economic development besides climate changes, no?
What is crystal clear is that during periods of global warming of the past humans have thrived. During periods of global cooling it has been disastrous for the human race: disease & starvation spike during such periods.
That is such an over generalization that it's tough to know where to begin. Hominids have thrived as the Cenozoic cooling has progressed. Does that mean cooling = better life for hominids?
Don't you know the sky is falling? It is the only way agenda's are past and money is spent on area's that special interest groups want it to go. Billions have been spent, much of which just disappeared with failed businesses.
Absolutely, more than a few, there are many. That is my point. We're living through what is nearly a hysteria about the need to address what has variously been called Global Warming, then Climate Change and now I suppose Climate Disruption.
In fact, it turns out, after more than 30 years of dire warnings, any warming, by whatever source, has been utterly inconsequential to the economic development of the world, which has kept on a mostly upward trend all that time.
Even if we get the threatened spike of 2 degrees C of warming, I seriously doubt it will have a significant impact on the global economy. The many, many billions or even trillions of dollars that have been spent and will be spent to deal with climate change should be cycled more directly on dealing with global poverty -- or just kept in the pockets of the people who earned them, and might decide to use them in ways that would stimulate various economies.
That would do many times more good than foolish windmill farms, in which: A. the Chinese forge the blades in massive dirty coal plants using highly destructive chemicals, B. then sell them to US companies owned by billionaires who are C. being subsidized by American taxpayers as part of a political circle jerk to D. appease the environmental movement and E. produce electricity at 90 times the cost of doing so with clean coal or natural gas.
Most interesting part of these discussions is the haste with which many want to turn a theory as a fact. Then insult the intelligence of anyone who doesn't accept the theory as fact. Its no longer a scientific argument. Its now political.
Also interesting is the same folks who make fun of someone for denouncing global warming because it was "cold yesterday" are the same ones who tout global warming because its hot today.
Also interesting is the same folks who make fun of someone for denouncing global warming because it was "cold yesterday" are the same ones who tout global warming because its hot today.
If we had half the money we spent on military budget since 1950 we could have had a break thru in sustainable energy.
Nuclear fusion power plants supplying us energy and giving the finger to OPEC.
The old liberal blame it on military spending excuse. It is not like we waste money anywhere else in this country.
Well said. The Earth has always gone through a state of constant climate changes. To jump to the conclusion that mankind has caused this without a doubt is both arrogant and ignorant.
This doesn't mean that we aren't affecting an impact at all. But rather an acknowledgement that we ain't gotsa GD clue.......
Damn, right. Matter of fact, Rand Paul talked about this type of mentality before. No longer can we talk about issues, but rather use the debates as "I gotcha" moment. Now, it's nothing more than verbal diarrhea.
Global Warming discussion doesn't have anything to do with climate anyway, but rather money and power.
Well, Nepal has a history of earthquakes. And before Texas's pre-fracking days, Dallas had 1 earthquake from 1950-2008.
However, this article states that "Meanwhile, scientists maintain that it’s not the fracking itself that’s driving North Texas’s quake spike, but the wastewater injection wells. That’s when oil and gas companies shove brine and other fracking byproducts back into the ground, irritating faults."
I don't know enough about fracking and neither does 90% of the people who have an opinion about it. They wait and see what their "political party" says and then they take a stance. That's the voter mindset on everything.
"What does Senator Dumbass think about it?" "Oh, he's for it? Me too"
Instead of putting fracking byproducts back in the earth why don't they just f'n put a delicious creamy caramel in the earth and eventually we will live on a planet with a caramel filling.
Don't you guys want that? Would you vote for me if I promised you a creamy caramel filling? We can do it. I believe in you. I love you. I believe each and every creature on God's green earth deserves caramel. Don't you believe in that, too? I have a dream, and it's filled with caramel. Doesn't that sound delicious? Will you dream with me? Vote for me, and we can dream together.
Don't you guys want that? Would you vote for me if I promised you a creamy caramel filling? We can do it. I believe in you. I love you. I believe each and every creature on God's green earth deserves caramel. Don't you believe in that, too? I have a dream, and it's filled with caramel. Doesn't that sound delicious? Will you dream with me? Vote for me, and we can dream together.
Another saber rattling neo-con thinks the billions of foreign military aid for the Mid-East dictators and monarchs brings stability to the land.
Screw education and infrastructure, it's a waste of money, but did you see that $250,000 smart bomb blow up that goat herder in the shack. 'Murica!!!!
Relax...it would've been much worse 80-90 years ago per EPA Heat Wave index:
Source: http://www.epa.gov/climate/climatechange/pdfs/print_heat-waves.pdf
^Nice chart......that only looks at prolonged heat waves........in the US. Said differently, we're looking at temperature variability over the last 120 years for 1.9% of the Earth's surface.
Not at all, if you have been reading any of my post in the past you will find that I would rather pull out of everywhere unless they really want us there and if so they need to foot the bill and use their own forces with us in support. Your choice seems to be, forget about defense all together and use that money to better our inner city problems. I don't know if you know it but it was posted here recently that about 1.8 billion went to Baltimore in 2012 I believe supposedly for that purpose. Helped out didn't it?
And why are you telling me that? Did you think I didn't notice that I posted a "heat wave" index...not temperature observations? I posted it in response to a post about a mild heatwave in the NE.
Here's a semi-related read. It's quiet remarkable actually. Any implications will be fun to watch over the next 20-30 years:
http://vencoreweather.com/2015/04/3...e-weakest-solar-cycle-in-more-than-a-century/
http://vencoreweather.com/2015/04/3...e-weakest-solar-cycle-in-more-than-a-century/
Oh please, now back to the inner city. Where did I ever say it's ok just to throw money at the inner cities?
I said the problems was a lack of decent jobs to occupy idle hands.
I said any able body person on assistance should be put to work even if it's picking up trash and debris in the neighborhood. Like the progressive ideas of FDR to improve infrastructure.
Where in my post did I say to cut defense entirely?
I stated we should not prop up and defend middle east dictators and monarchs with military foreign aid as well as boots on the ground. We fully supported Saddam Hussein for decades.
Our sons and daughters should be used for our defense. Frankly with tactical nukes on the board, what major power is going to try something?
It's a matter of guns or butter. With all the military spending and foreign aid, we could maybe had a working sustainable energy.
I'll leave you a quote from one our greatest heroes of the greatest generation.
That's what I figured more BS from you. You see how that works. Your original post to me touted things that I never said such as giving billions to middle east countries which I am totally against but that did not stop you from throwing uneducated assumptions as to what I am about. Also, as has been stated before, you do not address all of the other senseless spending problems Democrats/Liberals have as part of the problem. Again, back to global warming fraud, if we take all of the money being spent on failing companies and over priced ideas that will cost more than their worth, we would be able to help the infrastructure and jobs that you seem (falsely I think) to be concerned about.Oh please, now back to the inner city. Where did I ever say it's ok just to throw money at the inner cities?
I said the problems was a lack of decent jobs to occupy idle hands.
I said any able body person on assistance should be put to work even if it's picking up trash and debris in the neighborhood. Like the progressive ideas of FDR to improve infrastructure.
Where in my post did I say to cut defense entirely?
I stated we should not prop up and defend middle east dictators and monarchs with military foreign aid as well as boots on the ground. We fully supported Saddam Hussein for decades.
Our sons and daughters should be used for our defense. Frankly with tactical nukes on the board, what major power is going to try something?
It's a matter of guns or butter. With all the military spending and foreign aid, we could maybe had a working sustainable energy.
I'll leave you a quote from one our greatest heroes of the greatest generation.