Golden - how would Hobbs/Barchi ever explain away this?

[GSGS]

Given that Barchi was very up front about the off-the-field issues contributing to Flood's termination, how would Hobbs ever justify to Barchi the hire of Golden, given his history at Miami? The Star Ledger / nj.com would have a field day with this!

"There has to be enough talent to win more than Golden has (he’s 3-5 against ranked opponents and 11-12 against bowl-eligible teams since arriving in 2011). After all, Miami’s recruiting classes under Golden were ranked 36th (2011), ninth (2012), 20th (2013) and 12th (2014) by Rivals.com.

If talent is coming in through the door, why are the results on the field still disappointing? One reason: A significant number of recruits (18) from Golden’s first three signing classes have either left the program or been booted off the team because of arrests or disciplinary issues.

Another six players who signed never made it into school (Kevin Grooms, Antonio Kinard, Angelo Jean-Louis, Derrick Griffin, Devante Bond and Ryheem Lockley), ..." ​

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/acc/university-of-miami/article1988545.html

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Whatever Steve Politi

 

[ScarletStateofNJ]

Those players were not Rutgers men

 

[RU in IM]

Given that Barchi was very up front about the off-the-field issues contributing to Flood's termination, how would Hobbs ever justify to Barchi the hire of Golden, given his history at Miami? The Star Ledger / nj.com would have a field day with this!

"There has to be enough talent to win more than Golden has (he’s 3-5 against ranked opponents and 11-12 against bowl-eligible teams since arriving in 2011). After all, Miami’s recruiting classes under Golden were ranked 36th (2011), ninth (2012), 20th (2013) and 12th (2014) by Rivals.com.

If talent is coming in through the door, why are the results on the field still disappointing? One reason: A significant number of recruits (18) from Golden’s first three signing classes have either left the program or been booted off the team because of arrests or disciplinary issues.

Another six players who signed never made it into school (Kevin Grooms, Antonio Kinard, Angelo Jean-Louis, Derrick Griffin, Devante Bond and Ryheem Lockley), ..." ​

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/acc/university-of-miami/article1988545.html

How can we ignore this track record. Golden is not Schiano 2.0; not even close. We need a clean program in this state.

 

[chakazullo1]

That shows he runs a tight ship...now, if he was caught sending emails from his personal account and having clandestine meetings with professors at the University of South Florida to avoid detection, you might have something...

 

[Ru2bnj]

I don't understand the vitriol toward Golden. Miami has always had big issues with off field stuff. It starts with the very talented area they recruit from, it has all the problems that many urban areas of the country have. At least he jettisoned the players, some schools don't. That was a tough situation that he got blindsided by. Those classes may have been ranked highly but with the defections combined with the scholarship reductions, Miami has lacked depth on the football field..which is a reason they often had problems finishing games and finishing seasons...after good starts. I think a lot of the bitterness has more to do with the Temple connection then anything else..which I don't understand. The guy is a proven recruiter with strong ties to this area , the mid Atlantic region and south Florida. RU needs to upgrade the talent level first and foremost to compete at a high level.

 

[carolina scarlet]

I don't understand the vitriol toward Golden. Miami has always had big issues with off field stuff. It starts with the very talented area they recruit from, it has all the problems that many urban areas of the country have. At least he jettisoned the players, some schools don't. That was a tough situation that he got blindsided by. Those classes may have been ranked highly but with the defections combined with the scholarship reductions, Miami has lacked depth on the football field..which is a reason they often had problems finishing games and finishing seasons...after good starts. I think a lot of the bitterness has more to do with the Temple connection then anything else..which I don't understand. The guy is a proven recruiter with strong ties to this area , the mid Atlantic region and south Florida. RU needs to upgrade the talent level first and foremost to compete at a high level.

Well stated.

 

[Knight Ed_rivals]

I think you would have to consider this when making a hire. Flood's willingness to bring in some players with questionable character and then not policing them after they got here made Rutgers a national joke this year. Bringing in a coach who may have some of the same faults could be a huge mistake.

 

[chakazullo1]

I think you would have to consider this when making a hire. Flood's willingness to bring in some players with questionable

 

[chakazullo1]

But he did police them...he threw them off the team

 

[RU in IM]

But he did police them...he threw them off the team

 

[greenknight]

You guys need to settle down the POPE already has a job we're not in the mix for him

Everybody wanted change now everyone is whining about the change we haven't even made yet. Only here at Rutgers can this happen

 

[vkj91]

MAKE IT STOP. Please hire someone....anyone.

 

[derleider]

How can we ignore this track record. Golden is not Schiano 2.0; not even close. We need a clean program in this state.

Wrong. We need a winning program. This is a cutthroat state.

Put it this way - Flood was clean until he wasn't. His team had issues off the field - but nothing that would have sunk any other coach. So why is he gone - because he sucked. The fans and administration had abandoned him and the press had its way with his image.

Thats not to say we could get away with everything. But if we won, we could get away with alot more.

 

[MozRU]

Its takes a very special coach to keep it together at the U

(stupid thread)

 

[fg7321]

Was big mistake shutting down the NSA Metadata program. These folks were in touch with known radicals. We also need to shut down any apps that encrypt conversation. It all should be in the clear.

 

[fg7321]

remove wrong thread

 

[seels2662]

The high ranked classes under Golden were a mirage. Other programs cherrypicked the best around Miami the whole time he was there. Most of his players he got either wanted to be a Hurricane even if a chimpanzee was coach or players that were way over-rated that none of the big programs were going after.

 

[RUonBrain]

Only at RUTGERS would fans be obsessed with hiring Al Golden.

You are WISHING he is a good option, but he is SO mediocre with no chance to be great.

Ask Miami fans.

Ask fans of his alma mater - do you think PSU fans want him, now, or in the future?
They would LAUGH IN YOUR FACE!!

SMH

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

No one is obsessed with hiring Al Golden, but some are obsessed with putting down and digging up dirt on any name that comes up in the media of anyone who we might be looking at.

 

[new jersey1_rivals661559]

Given that Barchi was very up front about the off-the-field issues contributing to Flood's termination, how would Hobbs ever justify to Barchi the hire of Golden, given his history at Miami? The Star Ledger / nj.com would have a field day with this!

"There has to be enough talent to win more than Golden has (he’s 3-5 against ranked opponents and 11-12 against bowl-eligible teams since arriving in 2011). After all, Miami’s recruiting classes under Golden were ranked 36th (2011), ninth (2012), 20th (2013) and 12th (2014) by Rivals.com.

If talent is coming in through the door, why are the results on the field still disappointing? One reason: A significant number of recruits (18) from Golden’s first three signing classes have either left the program or been booted off the team because of arrests or disciplinary issues.

Another six players who signed never made it into school (Kevin Grooms, Antonio Kinard, Angelo Jean-Louis, Derrick Griffin, Devante Bond and Ryheem Lockley), ..." ​

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/acc/university-of-miami/article1988545.html

Well you can also interpret this as follows:
• Golden held to his high standards and got rid of the bad apples.
• His recruiting of S. Florida kids was not as good as people make it out to be, hence the argument that he could not win at talent rich Miami due to poor coaching does not hold water. After all, it's been a long time since anyone has brought Miami back to national prominence.
• in the last four years, has Rutgers gone.3 and 5 vs. ranked opponents and 11 and 12 vs. bowl eligible teams?

I'm not saying that Ash or someone else shouldn't be hired over Golden, but the over the top negative portrayal of Golden seems off base and unwarranted.

 

[RUtrumpet92_rivals498139]

Miami has lacked depth on the football field..which is a reason they often had problems finishing games and finishing seasons...after good starts.

Miami this season when Golden was head coach: 4-3

Miami this season after firing Golden: 4-1

It doesn't look like they had any problems finishing this season strong once they canned him.

 

[RUtrumpet92_rivals498139]

Well you can also interpret this as follows:
• His recruiting of S. Florida kids was not as good as people make it out to be, hence the argument that he could not win at talent rich Miami due to poor coaching does not hold water. After all, it's been a long time since anyone has brought Miami back to national prominence.

Interesting - your defense of Golden here is to say that he did not do all that well at THE ONE THING he is supposed to be best at: recruiting.

 

[derleider]

Was big mistake shutting down the NSA Metadata program. These folks were in touch with known radicals. We also need to shut down any apps that encrypt conversation. It all should be in the clear.

Somehow I thought this was about Miami recruits - and I was like - well that would be alot harder to explain away.

Although to go offtopic, I think both points you make are wrong or useless.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Hire Golden, do this in 3 years:

At lease we won't have Barchi mucking up the process. And Hobbs probably won't be here either.

 

[new jersey1_rivals661559]

Miami this season when Golden was head coach: 4-3

Miami this season after firing Golden: 4-1

It doesn't look like they had any problems finishing this season strong once they canned him.

He wasn't a good fit at Miami. Miami has a different culture than Rutgers.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

He wasn't a good fit at Miami. Miami has a different culture than Rutgers.

To put it mildly. For example their fans were really upset that he sat out players for off the field issues or didn't recruit more bad seeds. They were also really upset that he was against all of the cheating and boosters giving recruits money, drugs and hookers. He ran him out of town because he didn't "fit in" and didn't "get it".

 

[new jersey1_rivals661559]

Interesting - your defense of Golden here is to say that he did not do all that well at THE ONE THING he is supposed to be best at: recruiting.

Yes, with regard to recruiting S. Florida kids. He was not a good fit at Miami.

 

[RUsojo]

Why do people hold Rutgers to a higher standard, which in turn would make it more difficult to win, and then at the same time expect them to become consistent winning team in the best conference in the country?

 

[Pils86]

Miami this year was 4-3 with Golden, losses to Cincy, #9 Fla St and #1 Clemson. Miami without Golden was 4 -1, with a loss to #10 NC and 4 wins against no one in the Top 25. You could argue they did better without him as they won against Pitt and Duke and with him lost to Cincy, but they were still his players and coaches and Cincy is decent team in an unusually tough AAC this year.

I think we would all love Mullen but after that I want a HC with experience. A no name coordinator is a big risk. Maybe Golden getting fired gives him some humility and determination and he realizes home is where the heart is, I could see him being successful here.

 

[NBKnight]

Well you can also interpret this as follows:
• Golden held to his high standards and got rid of the bad apples.
• His recruiting of S. Florida kids was not as good as people make it out to be, hence the argument that he could not win at talent rich Miami due to poor coaching does not hold water. After all, it's been a long time since anyone has brought Miami back to national prominence.
• in the last four years, has Rutgers gone.3 and 5 vs. ranked opponents and 11 and 12 vs. bowl eligible teams?

I'm not saying that Ash or someone else shouldn't be hired over Golden, but the over the top negative portrayal of Golden seems off base and unwarranted.

I am not a huge Golden fan, but I don't have any issues with him in terms of running a clean program.

 

[derleider]

Why do people hold Rutgers to a higher standard, which in turn would make it more difficult to win, and then at the same time expect them to become consistent winning team in the best conference in the country?

Two reasons

1. Rutgers has a good academic reputation overall and particularly in sports, because we used to be D1AA where winning at all costs isnt really a thing.
2. Because of us being D1AA and not really winning alot since then, we have more alumni fans as a percentage than other schools. And alumni have some skin in the game when it comes to a schools academic reputation that regular fans do not.

 

[BoroKnight]

Not to be nit-picky, but we never were DIAA. There was only Division I back then, everyone lumped together, and when the NCAA decided to split D-I, we chose to play with the bigger boys.

But more important, you can look at Golden's resume two completely different ways: He was mediocre at Miami, which is a P5 school like we are (well, not like we are, but you get the point). He was excellent at Temple, which is in the Northeast, like we are.

People want a guy with New Jersey ties, unless it's Golden. A lot of people want a guy back who is almost exactly .500 coaching college, unless it's Golden.

Not saying Golden is the top choice for me, but he would be a lot better than a lot of people here seem to think. And probably one of the safer choices as well.

 

[derleider]

Not to be nit-picky, but we never were DIAA. There was only Division I back then, everyone lumped together, and when the NCAA decided to split D-I, we chose to play with the bigger boys.

But more important, you can look at Golden's resume two completely different ways: He was mediocre at Miami, which is a P5 school like we are (well, not like we are, but you get the point). He was excellent at Temple, which is in the Northeast, like we are.

People want a guy with New Jersey ties, unless it's Golden. A lot of people want a guy back who is almost exactly .500 coaching college, unless it's Golden.

Not saying Golden is the top choice for me, but he would be a lot better than a lot of people here seem to think. And probably one of the safer choices as well.

Yes - you are nit picking. You know what I mean - we were a D1AA level team in fan base, coaching staff, investment, stadium size, TV coverage, schedule, and everything else. Our rivals were teams that are now D1AA as was most of our schedule. In other words - we were irrelevant in the general sports world, and when we moved up we lost alot - so more so than other schools, our fan base is alumni and their family, not so much people who fell in love with the team like they would a local pro team.

 

[RobertG]

I don't understand the vitriol toward Golden. Miami has always had big issues with off field stuff. It starts with the very talented area they recruit from, it has all the problems that many urban areas of the country have. At least he jettisoned the players, some schools don't. That was a tough situation that he got blindsided by. Those classes may have been ranked highly but with the defections combined with the scholarship reductions, Miami has lacked depth on the football field..which is a reason they often had problems finishing games and finishing seasons...after good starts. I think a lot of the bitterness has more to do with the Temple connection then anything else..which I don't understand. The guy is a proven recruiter with strong ties to this area , the mid Atlantic region and south Florida. RU needs to upgrade the talent level first and foremost to compete at a high level.

Golden's strength is in recruiting but If he is recruiting at risk players who are failing out and missing on the solid players then he's not really the strong recruiter he is said to be.

I have nothing really against Golden personally.

He succeeded at Temple, which is great but he failed at Miami apparently because he could not bring in enough talent to stick around and compete with the top of the ACC, which is stated above.

 

[RUsojo]

@derleider ok but that doesn't explain the expectations of becoming more than a consistent 4 to 8 win team.

 

[D1ESEL44]

I don't understand the vitriol toward Golden. Miami has always had big issues with off field stuff. It starts with the very talented area they recruit from, it has all the problems that many urban areas of the country have. At least he jettisoned the players, some schools don't. That was a tough situation that he got blindsided by. Those classes may have been ranked highly but with the defections combined with the scholarship reductions, Miami has lacked depth on the football field..which is a reason they often had problems finishing games and finishing seasons...after good starts. I think a lot of the bitterness has more to do with the Temple connection then anything else..which I don't understand. The guy is a proven recruiter with strong ties to this area , the mid Atlantic region and south Florida. RU needs to upgrade the talent level first and foremost to compete at a high level.

I tend to agree with you. Golden will have to overcome the anticipated avalanche of negative recruiting if he is hired here. I think he has the personality and the NJ connections to do it. D'onfrio cannot be part of the coaching staff. His system schemes are eerily reminiscent of Rossi's schemes.

The current roster is in desperate need of a talent infusion, and we need an HC who can ramp up our recruiting efforts.

 

[sodakboy93]

I don't understand the vitriol toward Golden. Miami has always had big issues with off field stuff. It starts with the very talented area they recruit from, it has all the problems that many urban areas of the country have. At least he jettisoned the players, some schools don't. That was a tough situation that he got blindsided by. Those classes may have been ranked highly but with the defections combined with the scholarship reductions, Miami has lacked depth on the football field..which is a reason they often had problems finishing games and finishing seasons...after good starts. I think a lot of the bitterness has more to do with the Temple connection then anything else..which I don't understand. The guy is a proven recruiter with strong ties to this area , the mid Atlantic region and south Florida. RU needs to upgrade the talent level first and foremost to compete at a high level.

You can blame the sanctions all you want and the administration did him no favors. But at the end of the day the record and on-field performance (along with the ancilliary stuff around the program) are what they are.

The bottom line - if you have to write multiple paragraphs to justify hiring a particular coach, then you've already lost.

 

[essexknight]

What is the difference between Al Golden and Randy Edsall? Both did well at smaller programs (UConn being better than Temple), and they both flamed out in the ACC. Golden is a better recruiter, but anyone with a pulse should be able to recruit at Miami. Neither should be a candidate here.

 

[GSGS]

But he did police them...he threw them off the team

True - what he didn't do was vet them well, either as far as character or academics go. What is kind of ironic, as has been pointed out by RUtrumpet92, is that some here are arguing that he even as far as talent goes, he didn't recruit that well, his recruits were overrated. All this makes me wonder about some "fans" here who don't care about whether their team wins the actual game, its all about recruiting rankings. They fail to see recruiting as a means to an end, and if we rank 20th in recruiting by rivals and finish 4-8 they are happier than if we had the 40th ranked recruiting class and finish 8-4.