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Teater must win this week or card is gonzo.

Would fall over with a heart attack if he won, would be shocked with a top 10. Really nice guy but just doesn't have the ability any longer. Heard that he told someone that he is mainly playing in order to make cuts, which pads his PGA retirement account.
 
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Social media killing coverage yesterday. Could have done better mixing in, and showing, the storyline of who gets to keep their card. That said, good to see Dahmen keep his card but this is an interesting about how he got there.

Joel Dahmen, who earned 13 FedEx Cup points as a sponsor exemption at the Zozo – the only no-cut event of the fall swing – fired an impressive final-round 64 (-6) to finish the FedEx Cup Fall 124th in the standings. The 13 points earned in Japan proved pivotal; the margin between Dahmen and 127th-place finisher Hayden Springer was just 10 points. While it’s impossible to conclude anything definitively, the points earned in Japan could easily have been the difference between Dahmen and a different golfer having status on the Tour next year. Zac Blair, who finished 126th in the standings, also received a sponsor exemption at the Zozo, so the points Dahmen earned in Japan didn’t exactly come at his expense.
 

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^
If true, another good player (not great) cashing in on LIV while the money is still flowing.
 

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So, consensus is Tony may need money with all his lawsuits.
May not affect anyone going to watch LIV, may not affect anyone going to watch PGA. At 37, he had a good year but that may be an anomaly. LIV has a lot of 35 and over guys. It's almost like the weigh station before Champions Tour.
Adam Scott may be next.
That said, their merger with DP World may change things back to a true PGA Tour vs Rest of World Tour. More opportunity for everyone.
 
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Any of you guys watch Big Break Golf back in the day? I had watched it back when it was on but recently discovered it's on Peacock so I have been binge watching it again. I am on the Prince Edward Sound season that Brian Skatell was on. Man that dude was either delusional or had the most sarcastic sense of humor ever. He would make comments about how he was a better putter "by far" than most PGA golfers. 😂
 

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Any of you guys watch Big Break Golf back in the day? I had watched it back when it was on but recently discovered it's on Peacock so I have been binge watching it again. I am on the Prince Edward Sound season that Brian Skatell was on. Man that dude was either delusional or had the most sarcastic sense of humor ever. He would make comments about how he was a better putter "by far" than most PGA golfers. 😂
Loved that show when it came out, had no idea it was still around.
Will look it up.
Thanks.
 

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Any of you guys use Track Man on a regular basis? I rented one for an hour yesterday and got a lot of good feedback. Confirmed why I am hitting so many really bad snap hooks (coming from too far inside, coupled with a shut club face at impact). Also spent some time trying to figure out how to lower the spin rate on my driver. Overall, I feel like I got my $50 worth.

But I am wondering if you can't fall in love with the technology? What I am trying to do is hit good golf shots, and I fear I might get too hung up on numbers and not enough on plain old technique and feel. Hogan said to dig your swing out of the dirt, but wondering if a bit of Track Man, on a semi regular basis, would help me.

Thoughts?
 
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My problem is I wouldn't know what to do with the data and if I did getting it to translate to my swing would be another thing. 😂
 

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Any of you guys use Track Man on a regular basis? I rented one for an hour yesterday and got a lot of good feedback. Confirmed why I am hitting so many really bad snap hooks (coming from too far inside, coupled with a shut club face at impact). Also spent some time trying to figure out how to lower the spin rate on my driver. Overall, I feel like I got my $50 worth.

But I am wondering if you can't fall in love with the technology? What I am trying to do is hit good golf shots, and I fear I might get too hung up on numbers and not enough on plain old technique and feel. Hogan said to dig your swing out of the dirt, but wondering if a bit of Track Man, on a semi regular basis, would help me.

Thoughts?

I will stick to the simple things....



 

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Any of you guys use Track Man on a regular basis? I rented one for an hour yesterday and got a lot of good feedback. Confirmed why I am hitting so many really bad snap hooks (coming from too far inside, coupled with a shut club face at impact). Also spent some time trying to figure out how to lower the spin rate on my driver. Overall, I feel like I got my $50 worth.

But I am wondering if you can't fall in love with the technology? What I am trying to do is hit good golf shots, and I fear I might get too hung up on numbers and not enough on plain old technique and feel. Hogan said to dig your swing out of the dirt, but wondering if a bit of Track Man, on a semi regular basis, would help me.

Thoughts?
Have a simulator in my house. Use a Foresight Quad. I used to get caught up in the numbers but eventually realized that there are just a few I needed to be interested in. The rest teaching and playing pros only need to know. Trackman is overkill unless you have FU money to spend. It's nice but several other companies have come out with great products at better prices. TM did just release a new generation software so the graphics are great. E6 just released their updated version as well.

JMO, if you play enough and understand ball flight laws it's pretty easy to correct swing issues without the need of a launch monitor. I am a draw bias player so I also tend to come too far inside at times and flip my hands too soon. Golf sim wise, it's not just a rich person's toy these days. Prices have come down considerably and a lot of affordable but great launch monitors have been released since Covid. Sim community is growing like crazy. At first you will obsess over you ball speed, etc. etc. Eventually, you know your numbers so well that you can predict the results before you look at the monitor numbers. I mainly use my sim for entertainment now. Don't do much video analysis and such anymore. Just clogs your brain with too much stuff to think about.

In your case, $50 to use TM to get your numbers is not a bad deal. If you really want to dive into it more there are products like the Flightscope Mevo (Plus is much better but more expensive), Skytrac and others that are reasonably priced that can be used in a sim or outside.
 

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Any of you guys use Track Man on a regular basis? I rented one for an hour yesterday and got a lot of good feedback. Confirmed why I am hitting so many really bad snap hooks (coming from too far inside, coupled with a shut club face at impact). Also spent some time trying to figure out how to lower the spin rate on my driver. Overall, I feel like I got my $50 worth.

But I am wondering if you can't fall in love with the technology? What I am trying to do is hit good golf shots, and I fear I might get too hung up on numbers and not enough on plain old technique and feel. Hogan said to dig your swing out of the dirt, but wondering if a bit of Track Man, on a semi regular basis, would help me.

Thoughts?
I got a wee bit obsessed with ball speed when I got back into golf during covid.

Still to this day, when I am on a monitor, I will often tunnel on ball speed and stress out about becoming an old man if it is 2-4 mph lower than what I have taught my brain to be acceptable even if I am hitting good shots.

Because I optimized for ball speed without any regard for my swing, I ended up with an extremely strong grip and swung way from the inside. My attack angle with my 7 iron was consistently close to 0. My "natural" shot shape in my mind was a draw, but it really was a two way miss. My quality shots were high, sweeping draws, while the bad were hooks and mega blocks to the right. The increase in speed looked nice on monitors, but it did not necessarily translate to better scores. Shots out of bounds bring harsh punishment!

Trackman and other high end launch monitor are fantastic tools. The data provides an objective basis for your feels. The feedback is immediate and high resolution free from environmental factors. Plus, you can get high quality swing information in the offseason when weather precludes or dissuades one from outdoor practice.
 
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When I had my daughter fitted for clubs her swing speed with her driver was around 73-75 MPH. The guy fitting her told her she was swinging way slower than she needed to and that she needed to not hold back. Her next few swings went up to around 80-81 MPH. He told her she still was hitting where she was aiming and it wasn't having a negative affect on her shot to swing faster but he felt she had a little more in her. He told her he felt she could get over 85 and to try again. Her next swing was 85.2 MPH. Just by bringing to her attention how slow she was swinging her club the club head speed went up around 10 MPH and she gained about 20-25 yards on her drives without losing any accuracy.
 
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When I had my daughter fitted for clubs her swing speed with her driver was around 73-75 MPH. The guy fitting her told her she was swinging way slower than she needed to and that she needed to not hold back. Her next few swings went up to around 80-81 MPH. He told her she still was hitting where she was aiming and it wasn't having a negative affect on her shot to swing faster but he felt she had a little more in her. He told her he felt she could get over 85 and to try again. Her next swing was 85.2 MPH. Just by bringing to her attention how slow she was swinging her club the club head speed went up around 10 MPH and she gained about 20-25 yards on her drives without losing any accuracy.
Yep.

Improvement is rapid. I was a high handicap neanderthal with the club, practically no technical foundation at all when I endeavored to get better at golf. With the help of monitors, I added 20+ mph to my driver's ball speed in a matter of months.
 
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Yep.

Improvement is rapid. I was a high handicap neanderthal with the club, practically no technical foundation at all when I endeavored to get better at golf. With the help of monitors, I added 20+ mph to my driver's ball speed in a matter of months.
That guy said each MPH increase equates to 2.5 yards of distance with a driver.
 

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I am in mid 60s, more interested in solid contact than increased club head speed, don't think that is where my best chance of improvement lies
Speaking of that, will add that maybe the biggest thing I have learned with my launch monitor is how to control my swing better. Before age and injuries crept in, my swing speed was in the 115-120 range but controlling the ball was always a challenge. Always thought I had to hit it as hard as I could to play golf. I would have several excellent 300+ drives a round, but when I missed, I missed bad and my scores reflected it. I have learned how to swing much more controlled in the 100-105 range which has led to consistent ball striking, more fairways and less stress on my body. I do not pay much attention to swing speed. More ball speed focused but maybe the biggest thing I keep track of are my spin rates (especially with wedges). Got to the point where I struggled getting much spin on greens and realized my spin rates were in the 8000rpg range. Did a few lessons and technique changes and now stay in the 9-11k range and have noticed a significant improvement in my wedge play. I have a very steep angle of attack so it also helped me select the right wedges. When Dustin Johnson went on his big run he mainly used Trackman to get his wedge spin rates more consistent.
 
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Scottie Scheffler is a machine. Another ho-hum 6 shot victory. JT falters in the final round, must be tough playing alongside Scheffler.

Also, Finau says he is not going to LIV golf.
 
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Speaking of that, will add that maybe the biggest thing I have learned with my launch monitor is how to control my swing better. Before age and injuries crept in, my swing speed was in the 115-120 range but controlling the ball was always a challenge. Always thought I had to hit it as hard as I could to play golf. I would have several excellent 300+ drives a round, but when I missed, I missed bad and my scores reflected it. I have learned how to swing much more controlled in the 100-105 range which has led to consistent ball striking, more fairways and less stress on my body. I do not pay much attention to swing speed. More ball speed focused but maybe the biggest thing I keep track of are my spin rates (especially with wedges). Got to the point where I struggled getting much spin on greens and realized my spin rates were in the 8000rpg range. Did a few lessons and technique changes and now stay in the 9-11k range and have noticed a significant improvement in my wedge play. I have a very steep angle of attack so it also helped me select the right wedges. When Dustin Johnson went on his big run he mainly used Trackman to get his wedge spin rates more consistent.
That is exceptional because 120 MPH would rank you in the top 30 players on the PGA tour for club head speed ahead of JT, Scheffler, Sam Burns, Jordan Spieth and Will Zalitoris. The tour average is 115.80 MPH.
 
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That is exceptional because 120 MPH would rank you in the top 30 players on the PGA tour for club head speed ahead of JT, Scheffler, Sam Burns, Jordan Spieth and Will Zalitoris. The tour average is 115.80 MPH.
There are a lot of bombers out there that can swing fast (yes, small % compared to the entire golfing population but still a good amount). The main difference is the guys on tour can swing that fast with incredible control and under pressure. Then add much better/consistent ball striking and short games plus way better mental toughness and you have a tour player. I would bet a lot of tour guys can swinger faster if they really wanted to but dial it back to be more consistent off the tee.
 

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Tis the season . . . if you are looking to add some equipment to your bag at great prices, esp if you are willing to play last year's model.

Just picked up a Stealth 2 HD bias 3W and 5W, which IIRC were originally sold for $229 or $249 each, for about $175 total on Ebay. Paid $80 for the 3W and 95 or so for the 5W
 
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Any of you guys ever play Juniper Hills in Frankfort? The first round of the State Tournament for my daughters school will be there next year and we have never played there before. Just looking for some insight.
 

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Love the scenery, but The Sentry at Kapalua makes the Barbasol/Isco seem like the US Open. Shooting 20 under got you T24. 🤣

I did not realize that Matsuyama is only 33 and has now won three times in the past year, plus the Bronze medal at the Paris games. Guy is really, really underrated.
 
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Love the scenery, but The Sentry at Kapalua makes the Barbasol/Isco seem like the US Open. Shooting 20 under got you T24. 🤣

I did not realize that Matsuyama is only 33 and has now won three times in the past year, plus the Bronze medal at the Paris games. Guy is really, really underrated.

Same field at Champions would be 146 under for the winner...lol

This tournament/course, despite it's length, is not intended to be difficult due to the huge greens and wide fairways w/ a lot of downhill rolls. It's a scorers tournament, and if you aren't making shots, then you're getting steamrolled. Hell, I even shot 90 there 11 years ago when I was 50....at 1000 yds less....lol.

Love Hideki...always try to follow him some if he is in the field at the events I have been to.
 

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Watching Hideki swing in person is mesmerizing. He has worked on that pause at the top since I last saw him but it was pretty incredible to see someone be able to pause and transition like he did with such control and speed.