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[RockSoup]

In light of the recent, unfortunate incident, are there any other obscure rules not many people are aware of so we lessen the chance of a rough ending?

I remember seeing a one point safety in the Texas-Oklahoma game awhile back and the announcers did not know the rule. I forget when or how it's enforced or even if it's a NFHS rule.

 

[JFelice]

If a PAT is blocked and the blocking team possesses the ball outside of the end zone, then proceeds to bring ball back into the end zone where they are then tackled or bumped out of bounds it is a one point safety. Good call on that rule. I'm familiar with it from Oregon-Kansas St a few years ago.

 

[linetogain]

If a PAT is blocked and the blocking team possesses the ball outside of the end zone, then proceeds to bring ball back into the end zone where they are then tackled or bumped out of bounds it is a one point safety. Good call on that rule. I'm familiar with it from Oregon-Kansas St a few years ago.

Once the try (PAT) is ruled unsuccessful it is blown dead. Ie. Blocked on a kick or fumble/interception on a 2 point try in NFHS. So the second B secures possession the try is over. Only A can score on a try in HS.

 

[MS4EVER]

Thank you to all the refs on this board!

 

[RockSoup]

Thank you to all the refs on this board!

While echoing your sentiments, I am more impressed how Swag U leaves no stone left unturned during game week

Good luck this weekend! I don't know which way it goes but I do know how hard it is to beat a great team twice in a season.

 

[BataviaDogs1]

What if Fenwick punted on the 4th down play and PFN fair caught the punt at the end of the game. Is this the situation where PFN then gets a free kick for a field goal attempt?

Remember that being a obscure rule found deep in the rule book. Refs?

 

[godfthr53]

What if Fenwick punted on the 4th down play and PFN fair caught the punt at the end of the game. Is this the situation where PFN then gets a free kick for a field goal attempt?

Remember that being a obscure rule found deep in the rule book. Refs?

I believe so.

 

[linetogain]

What if Fenwick punted on the 4th down play and PFN fair caught the punt at the end of the game. Is this the situation where PFN then gets a free kick for a field goal attempt?

Remember that being a obscure rule found deep in the rule book. Refs?

Negative... if time expired prior to the fair catch being awarded/caught the game is over.

The ONLY thing that can extend a period/game is if a penalty on either O or D is accepted. Of course by now we all know that there are 4 exception fouls that will NOT extend a period.

** Edit - an accepted penalty or a TD while time expires during play will extend the period with 1 untimed down. On the TD the untimed down will only occur if the score is needed to tie or win.

 

[PRokie]

To all the stripes...Thanks fellas for doing what you do. You deserve better than what you get

 

[godfthr53]

Negative... if time expired prior to the fair catch being awarded/caught the game is over.

The ONLY thing that can extend a period/game is if a penalty on either O or D is accepted. Of course by now we all know that there are 4 exception fouls that will NOT extend a period.

So when can you get a free kick?

 

[linetogain]

So when can you get a free kick?

The receiving team can choose to free kick for 3 points only if there is time on the clock after a fair catch, from that spot. The opposing team must be 10 yards away and this is conducted just like a kickoff. If the free kick splits the uprights its 3 points.

 

[godfthr53]

The receiving team can choose to free kick for 3 points only if there is time on the clock after a fair catch, from that spot. The opposing team must be 10 yards away and this is conducted just like a kickoff. If the free kick splits the uprights its 3 points.

Thanks. I thought as long as it was fair caught you were good, time or no time.

 

[RunNorth-South]

Can someone explain why this rule is even a rule? Why can a game not end on a penalty unless it's a loss of down? Why can a team help itself by doing something outside the rules?

Someone with connections to NCAA officiating told me they're actually changing the rule for next year after the result of the OK St. game. I feel like the spirit of the rule is to "protect" a winning defense from giving a penalized offense another play after committing an illegal forward pass on a final play, but not to allow a winning offense to penalize itself to guarantee victory (as you can't do that with any other penalty).

 

[BataviaDogs1]

Negative... if time expired prior to the fair catch being awarded/caught the game is over.

The ONLY thing that can extend a period/game is if a penalty on either O or D is accepted. Of course by now we all know that there are 4 exception fouls that will NOT extend a period.

** Edit - an accepted penalty or a TD while time expires during play will extend the period with 1 untimed down. On the TD the untimed down will only occur if the score is needed to tie or win.

So that free kick FG rule is no longer in effect or the fair catch signal needs to be signaled before time expires? If fair catch is signaled and time expires before the punt is caught, then free kick is awarded?

 

[Zebra2]

Can someone explain why this rule is even a rule? Why can a game not end on a penalty unless it's a loss of down? Why can a team help itself by doing something outside the rules?

Someone with connections to NCAA officiating told me they're actually changing the rule for next year after the result of the OK St. game. I feel like the spirit of the rule is to "protect" a winning defense from giving a penalized offense another play after committing an illegal forward pass on a final play, but not to allow a winning offense to penalize itself to guarantee victory (as you can't do that with any other penalty).

When a penalty for a foul is accepted it usually includes the right to replay the down during which it was committed- the game continues as if the previous down (play) had not happened. When the penalty includes a loss of down- the right to replay the down during which the foul occurred, the game goes on as if the previous down (play) HAD happened. Therefore there is no need to repeat the now vacated down (play) and replace it with a "clean" down (play).

Not sure if that helps, but I had not heard it explained that way until this week and it rang true with me.

Z

 

[Goomlah]

There actually can be a 1 point safety on an extra point but A would have to be tackled in A's end zone. Yeah, won't happen

 

[Shmebulock]

Can someone explain why this rule is even a rule? Why can a game not end on a penalty unless it's a loss of down? Why can a team help itself by doing something outside the rules?

Someone with connections to NCAA officiating told me they're actually changing the rule for next year after the result of the OK St. game. I feel like the spirit of the rule is to "protect" a winning defense from giving a penalized offense another play after committing an illegal forward pass on a final play, but not to allow a winning offense to penalize itself to guarantee victory (as you can't do that with any other penalty).

Because the offense losses their right to replay the down due to their foul. Time expired during that down. So you would never extend the period to let them get another snap off. This seems to be a unique situation where it screws the defense. This is how rules get changed. The book becomes 100+ pages long and there are all sorts of exceptions.

 

[Zebra2]

So that free kick FG rule is no longer in effect or the fair catch signal needs to be signaled before time expires? If fair catch is signaled and time expires before the punt is caught, then free kick is awarded?

If there is time on the clock when the down ends, which can be when the fair catch IS COMPLETED (by catching the ball), then the game will continue. Has nothing to do with when the signal is made. If the catch is not made and the ball bounces around until someone gains possession, the down will end, and if there is time remaining, the game will continue. Without a fair catch or penalty awarding a fair catch, there would be no ability to try a free kick.

 

[linetogain]

So that free kick FG rule is no longer in effect or the fair catch signal needs to be signaled before time expires? If fair catch is signaled and time expires before the punt is caught, then free kick is awarded?

As Zebra stated.. It's not when the signal is made its when the kick ends by a fair catch or foul awarding a fair catch after possession is made and the play is dead... time needs to be on the clock. If not, game over.

If a fair catch signal is given, no foul, and the receiver muffs the kick the free kick option goes away.

 

[Chief321]

As Zebra stated.. It's not when the signal is made its when the kick ends by a fair catch or foul awarding a fair catch and the play is dead... time needs to be on the clock. If not, game over.

If a fair catch signal is given, no foul, and the receiver muffs the kick the free kick option goes away.

In a weird twist to this rule as well...The offense can then run a play after said fair catch/awarded fair catch, run a play and if the defense fouls on the play accept the penalty, and then try their free kick. Send me the tape if it happens because I would love to see it happen

 

[Zebra2]

In a weird twist to this rule as well...The offense can then run a play after said fair catch/awarded fair catch, run a play and if the defense fouls on the play accept the penalty, and then try their free kick. Send me the tape if it happens because I would love to see it happen

I came close for the first time this season, had a fair catch on the opponent's 31. If the game situation had warranted it was within FG range...

Z

 

[McZebra]

I came close for the first time this season, had a fair catch on the opponent's 31. If the game situation had warranted it was within FG range...

Z

Didn't last years test have several questions in regards to this? It seems every year the tests have a theme with this years being joint possession.

 

[JFelice]

Once the try (PAT) is ruled unsuccessful it is blown dead. Ie. Blocked on a kick or fumble/interception on a 2 point try in NFHS. So the second B secures possession the try is over. Only A can score on a try in HS.

Sorry I was referring to his college example.

 

[RetiredReferee]

I remember, very early in my ref career working the wing in a sophomore game. A quarterback threw a pass in the end zone, and the receiver was out of bounds, came back in and caught the pass. I called touchdown.

One of the coaches asked me if that was illegal participation. Very puffy chested I replied, "that's a Sunday rule coach." He just shook his head.

Now at the time I was just a fill-in guy, strictly for sophomore games. I told the guys on my crew this, with the pompous, "can you believe that idiot asked me that?!?!"

The four other guys laughed, and one of them said, "hey next time you fill in, how about you lead the pregame and we'll discuss those types of plays. Make sure you read up."

I've been thinking of that story this past week.