Got chewed out over MSU race issues at Fenway Park

[QuaoarsKing]

I was up in Boston last week and even though I'm not a Red Sox fan, I couldn't visit the city without touring one of MLB's most historic parks.<div>
</div><div>The tour guide was this crazy old man who was constantly telling jokes. He noticed my MSU hat in the tour while we were walking toward the Green Monster. There were probably 60 or so of us in a group, and it got pretty spread out, so out of earshot of most people on the tour, he mentioned something to me about Mike Slive. I told him I didn't like Mike Slive very much, since I feel like he mostly cares for the big schools in the SEC and not the little guys.</div><div>
He gets a stern look on his face and in a serious tone (the only time he acted this way the whole tour), he says, "Mike Slive is a friend of mine. And the reason he doesn't like the Mississippi schools is because you need more black administrators."</div><div>
Apparently I drove all the way to Boston to get lectured over racial issues over which I have no control by someone who's never met me.</div>

 

[QuaoarsKing]

I was up in Boston last week and even though I'm not a Red Sox fan, I couldn't visit the city without touring one of MLB's most historic parks.<div>
</div><div>The tour guide was this crazy old man who was constantly telling jokes. He noticed my MSU hat in the tour while we were walking toward the Green Monster. There were probably 60 or so of us in a group, and it got pretty spread out, so out of earshot of most people on the tour, he mentioned something to me about Mike Slive. I told him I didn't like Mike Slive very much, since I feel like he mostly cares for the big schools in the SEC and not the little guys.</div><div>
He gets a stern look on his face and in a serious tone (the only time he acted this way the whole tour), he says, "Mike Slive is a friend of mine. And the reason he doesn't like the Mississippi schools is because you need more black administrators."</div><div>
Apparently I drove all the way to Boston to get lectured over racial issues over which I have no control by someone who's never met me.</div>

 

[AtlantaBulldog]

How many black administrators does UF have? They got the free pass to the NCAA basketball tourney this past season...

 

[Original48]

I LOVE ballpark tour guides who are "in the know." Did you tell him about this site?

 

[Todd4State]

can say **** about us after we hired Croom. See, the man DOES have a use after all.

Besides, what's more racist- hiring someone solely because they are white or solely because they are black? Whatever happened to hiring the most qualified guy regardless of skin color. Isn't that how it's supposed to be?

And for the record, I was all for hiring Croom in 2003 because I thought he was a good candidate- which I was wrong about- for the job. But not because he was black.

Also, the ironic thing to me here is this- who was the last team in MLB to integrate?- the Boston Red Sox. You should have brought that up to him. I know I would have. The Red Sox first black player was a guy named Pumpsie Green by the way. He hung out with Ted Williams a lot.

Tom Yawkey, the Red Sox owner at the time, was just as racist as many 1960's era Mississippians.

It's also unbelieveable to me the sense of entitlement that people in other regions have just because they didn't have race riots in their state in the 60's. Simply because that kind of **** could have happened anywhere in the country- as it did in Detriot, Michigan- and I don't remember the Wolverine state seceding unless that got edited out of my history book.


If any of my comments cause this to be locked- I apologize, but it's the truth nonetheless.

 

[Coach34]

How many black administrators does UF have? They got the free pass to the NCAA basketball tourney this past season...

has Bama, Auburn, and LSU had? How many black AD's for each?

 

[Rutherford B Hays]

The Boston Red Sox were the last team in baseball to integrate. 'Nuff said.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

I'm pretty sure our new director of football ops is black! I saw him at Silverstar with Koening and the whole gang breakin' him in hanging out with the guys...unless they pointed to a different guy and I got confused he is a black man! That guy sounds like a joke just like Mike Slive. What a weinie!

 

[Rebels7]

And easily the most annoying group of people I've ever met.

 

[benatmsu]

He is a crazy old coot. However, I heard the Mike Slive thing when he asked "So where's everyone from"... when I responded "Mississippi" he gravitated to us... it was almost as though he wants to know just so he can talk about Slive. This was last summer though, so I don't think I had anything positive or negative to say yet.

A buddy of mine went in November and he and his wife were the only two on the tour, he brought up Slive to them too. They're UMiss people, and my buddy just kind of acknowledged that he knew who Slive was... but he said that was the coolest hour of his trip, being able to talk to the guy one-on-one

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

he really did not have a comeback answer, and just attacked with anything that came to mind.

Slive is definitely biased to the big boys.

 

[coach66]

showing this year in the tournament, I bet he would have been impressed.

 

[mjh94]

didn't the director of athletic fields (dont know what to call it) come from Fenway. the guy is an MSU grad, went up there, became head honcho over the playing surface at fenway, then came back here in the summer of 2005 i believe it was.

 

[coach66]

Fenway Park. As you may recall she did Camden Yards and started a trend with her style of stadium renovation.

 

[jacksonreb1]

riots and board problems in the day than ms did. none of these damn yankees really have a place lecturing folks from the south. i'll never defend the jim crow era in the south but they had plenty of discrimination in the north as well. and i'd argue that today our race relations in ms are better than 90% of the rest of the country. tell the old coot he doesn't know jack and to 17off.

 

[JimHalpert.nafoom]

and i'd argue that today our race relations in ms are better than 90% of the rest of the country.

 

[KurtRambis4]

the Red Sox blow...they hate MSU

 

[Center Z]

Slive doesn't have any friends.

 

[jb1020]

him why Barry Bonds was never a Red Sox?

 

[jacksonreb1]

argue it one way or the other (esp on a %) but i say we're doing better than most and certainly better than we get credit for.

 

[AlCoDog]

and told him to rekanize

 

[AlCoDog]

nm

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

I was born in the Northeast (NY) and Mississippi and the South did not have the market cornered on racism.

 

[Oxford Godfrey]

Wilkie, a Mississippian who graduated from OM and worked for several newspapers, was a Globe reporter for decades. His book details the bussing riots and the gobs of irony he encountered from New Englanders quick to pigeonhole him as a Mississippian.

Having only been to Boston once, and Lowell, Mass., once, I can't really make a fair comment. But I have friends and coworkers from the area, and they only difference between up there and down here is that they say "Darkies."

 

[Frexzell]

Janet Marie is no longer with the Red Sox. She is now working with the Orioles to refurbish Camden Yards (I cannot believe it is nearly 20 years old). However, she is responsible for the major upgrade at Fenway at the beginning of this decade and the smaller ones over the last few years.

 

[MrHooch]

I was up in Boston last week and even though I'm not a Red Sox fan, I couldn't visit the city without touring one of MLB's most historic parks.<div>
</div><div>The tour guide was this crazy old man who was constantly telling jokes. He noticed my MSU hat in the tour while we were walking toward the Green Monster. There were probably 60 or so of us in a group, and it got pretty spread out, so out of earshot of most people on the tour, he mentioned something to me about Mike Slive. I told him I didn't like Mike Slive very much, since I feel like he mostly cares for the big schools in the SEC and not the little guys.</div><div>
He gets a stern look on his face and in a serious tone (the only time he acted this way the whole tour), he says, <span style="font-weight: bold;">"Mike Slive is a friend of mine. And the reason he doesn't like the Mississippi schools is because you need more black administrators."</span></div><div>
Apparently I drove all the way to Boston to get lectured over racial issues over which I have no control by someone who's never met me.</div>

This is as good as any internet message board proof I've ever seen... we now KNOW that Mike Slive does not like the Mississippi schools!

Court is now in session, plantiff calls the first witness, Crazy-Old-Boston-Red-Sox-Tour-Guide guy!

(You're goin down, Slive!)

 

[hatfieldms]

.....to worry about what Boston thinks off MSU.

And I think it is pretty safe to say most fans up in Boston want his *** traded immediately

 

[Malfunction Junction1]

at the college and high school level; kids are just more accepting now. however, in the every day culture in MS you can still see a racial divide. my best friend is of another race and when we're eating lunch or whatever the odd looks do come.

as for slive, if he hates mississippi schools because we don't have black administrators, there's not a conference he could go to that does have a fair representation.

 

[AlCoDog]

and why would they want him traded immideately? Your post is confusing. What are you talking about?

 

[hotdigitydog]

segregated thanthe South these days......Heck, various caucasian ethnicities live in seperate communities (i.e. Italians live in one area, Irish another, etc.)........Same with the Asian populous.......

 

[hatfieldms]

....they think Bard will be the future closer, and a lot of them don't think much about Papelbon.

 

[Todd4State]

Wilkie, a Mississippian who graduated from OM and worked for several newspapers, was a Globe reporter for decades. His book details the bussing riots and the gobs of irony he encountered from New Englanders quick to pigeonhole him as a Mississippian.

Having only been to Boston once, and Lowell, Mass., once, I can't really make a fair comment. But I have friends and coworkers from the area, and they only difference between up there and down here is that they say "Darkies."

I have never been to Boston. But I had to do a rotation in Washington state on the open minded west coast. Every once in awhile people would ask me about race and often times they would criticize Mississippi for the past- perhaps rightfully so. But while there are not very many black people in Washington as compared to Mississippi, there are a fair amount of hispanics where I was.

And I say that to say this- the most racist thing I have ever heard came from one of the very people who were putting down Mississippi. A guy at a meeting said of a hispanic patient- We oughta just ship all of their S%&@ asses back to Mexico. And for no real good reason because it wasn't in the context of anything being discussed. Needless to say, my jaw dropped. That told me a lot about other places.

I think the real problem is people only hear or want to hear one side of the story. You never hear about my Grandfather who employed many, many black people at his plant in Jackson in the 60's and treated them well with equal pay and gave many black people a job. And that's just one of the many examples of people who were good people and had the sense to say "this is what is right" and did it. But all anyone wants to talk about is ignorant buffoons like Richard Barrett.

 

[AlCoDog]

nm

 

[dawgatUSM]

and this place that claimed to be "open" and "free spirited" as you say, had to be one of the most racist places I've ever traveled to. no joke...

 

[KurtRambis4]

don't have to like the Red Socks just because Paps plays for them. They blow. Boston blows. New England blows. 17 them.

 

[JimC1097]

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[agame]

<p class="MsoNormal">

</p><p class="MsoNormal">The 2000 census showed Northeast and Midwest remain highly
segregated, lagging far behind the South in integration.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>And the South leads the county in rate
of integration, so the South continues to distance itself from the hypocrites
up North.</p>


<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">And
groups like the Civil Rights Project are trying to understand why, in Boston,
so little progress, or actual regression, has occurred in that
city since the 1960s.</span>

</p>

 

[AlCoDog]

I don't like the Sox because Paps plays for them. Hatfield can verify we have been running Yankee/Sox smack long before Boston got a Papelboner. For me, it started with Wade Boggs and watching them play the Rangers inArlington when I was 10. I was also a huge Mike Greenwell fan.

You should be more appreciateive of their sweeping the Rays and knocking them back down to earth.

 

[Hanmudog]

Slive hates Mississippi because the states of Alabama, Arkansas, and Louisiana have just been bastions of racial equality over the years.

 

[hatfieldms]

...and ride a horse around Yankee Stadium