exactly. Barnhart belongs in CUSA or even better OVC. not the SEC. don't hold your breath on any significant BB arena developments either kool aid drinkers
Gotta love how Mitch had to step in..
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You do a great job of getting other posters "likes." LOL
In the middle of of good news we have people stirring up crap. This is awesome. This is like someone winning a million bucks and bitching about having to pay taxes on it.
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idiot, stupid, joke. wow, you are using the entire vocab arsenal tonight aren't you??
At least use proper grammatical rules if you're going to criticize someone's 'vocab'.
Holy hell! You really are brain damaged. What happened? Car accident or something else? Everything okay? Have you been treated for your injury?
The Mitch debate is always a good one. I think Mitch has done a great job in some areas, but lacked in others.
He has excelled in facility upgrades (football stadium expansion, new football practice facility, new basketball practice facility, new softball stadium, new soccer stadium, new track stadium, new basketball players dorm, plans for a new baseball stadium), keeping our programs out of trouble (first AD I can remember who did not have a program get in trouble), improve sports across the board (I know, I know, most people don't care about this), improve grades across the board for athletes, made some good hires and runs a profitable program.
He has lacked in fund raising (this is his biggest weakness imo), fan relations, made some bad hires and bad contract decisions and I think at times puts his personal moral beliefs in front of what could possibly be best for the program (this one could be an interesting debate in itself).
Overall, I think he has been a pretty successful AD.
He has excelled in facility upgrades (football stadium expansion, new football practice facility, new basketball practice facility, new softball stadium, new soccer stadium, new track stadium, new basketball players dorm, plans for a new baseball stadium), keeping our programs out of trouble (first AD I can remember who did not have a program get in trouble), improve sports across the board (I know, I know, most people don't care about this), improve grades across the board for athletes, made some good hires and runs a profitable program.
He has lacked in fund raising (this is his biggest weakness imo), fan relations, made some bad hires and bad contract decisions and I think at times puts his personal moral beliefs in front of what could possibly be best for the program (this one could be an interesting debate in itself).
Overall, I think he has been a pretty successful AD.
yeah pretty much, what else is supposed to happen?
Anyone outraged that MB maybe played a significant role in landing Gran should goggle the stories of how Cholly Strongs New UT AD sabatoged his hire of the TCU OC.
nope, just laying here blood gushing. I'm hoping when the paramedic shows up he's a UK assist coach having to moonlight since he's making so much less than his conference peers.
Oh god if Mitch is the best athletic director we've ever had then who the hell was responsible for Bear Bryant and Rupp? because I'd say Shively is the best athletic director we had just because of all the titles he won and gave us our best football years even if he let Bryant leave without desperately trying to get him to stay.
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Sorry about the name calling. I didn't know about your condition. I'll be praying for you. Let me know if there is anything I can do.
Overall, as an ad, mb has done a good job. Most universities would be happy with his performance. However, UK is in the SEC...THE Football conference. Failure to make hires that lead to winning Football would lead to termination for an AD at most other SEC schools. When compared to AD's across the country, I'd say he gets an overall B+. When compared to AD's relative to Football, I'd say he'd still be around a C. In the SEC, his grade at most schools would probably be a D because Football is the sport that counts...with baseball, quite possibly, being the second most important sport.
I wouldn't go that far. Let's say Cal is a homerun; I'm perfectly fine calling a spade a spade. But I really don't care about Matthew Mitchell (spelling?) or any non-revenue sport. Those programs are irrelevant when trying to justify hires made in the major sports. The Brooks' era, especially the ending (per Brooks) casts a bad light on Mitch. Regardless of he said she said about facility improvements during Rich's time, the Joker disaster was more like a fielder's choice with 2 outs and a runner on third.
I agree Joker was a terrible hire. Stoops is a really good hire though. The problem is Joker left him with the worst roster in the entire FBS. 128/128. It takes to to put a roster together that can compete in the SEC. Even longer when you are starting for scratch.
Looks like we've found some common ground lol. I want Stoops to succeed, just like I have wanted every coach before him to since I have been watching. No matter what his career record at UK ends up being, I firmly believe he will leave the program in better shape than how he found it. That doesn't mean I won't be cussing him like crazy in 9 months! Lol
So you think its easy and quick to turn the worst team in the country into competitive in the SEC. Name one time it's ever happened. Should be easy for you since you have been watching the SEC for so long. Go ahead, I'll wait...
How do you quantify the worst team? Do you use the Maggard index for that? That's what I thought.
But since you asked, here are a few examples of SEC coaches turning things around very quickly - Franklin at Vandy, Mullen and Sherrill at MSU, Freeze and Brewer at UM for starters. Heck, even Mumme didn't take long to get UK into a couple of bowls after the Curry disaster. And those guys didn't have the benefit of playing in a weak division like Stoops has had.
Keep blaming Joker for Stoops failures. It's what clueless "fans" do. It won't be long before those same clueless "fans" start blaming Stoops to defend the next guy.
It COULD look like a mistake right now, but I think it was the right call at the time. If for no other reason than to tell future coaches and coordinators that you will reward success. And at that point they had were 5-1 with a top 10 recruiting class...why would you not reward that? So tired of seeing UK nickel and dime the football staffs. These guys are still one of the lower paid staffs in the SEC. And people whine about that too.
Good post, and since we are grading ADs I will give you my opinion.
For his first ten years I would give him an F in football------only because they don't have "G" grades. He did absolutely nothing above minimum support for football for ten years, and Brooks bailed him out when he couldn't get his choices------and I really liked Brooks, too bad he was given minimum support his whole tenure here-----Joker also. I won't bore you with my long list of the FACTS about his dismal support. too long to reiterate, and everyone but the newcomers have heard them. I also think he was just lucky that Stoops was one of the FEW that wanted the UK football job, mitch had allowed even Vandy to pass us by. And I'm not sure without the strike and the FACT that he cost UK multimillions in his penny wise pound foolish approach to football that he had a choice with his new support for football, a no brainer------that plus the millions rolling in due to the OTHER SEC football programs, the biggest factor in the humongous SEC contracts.
I do like the potential of this program under Stoops, he is solving our biggest problem of forever in football, SEC raw talent and depth. I think the talent (and more and better coaching) will make this staff look like much better coaches soon-------these hires another step forward IMO. And considering the depths he helped drive us to (the SEC helped, they made hay while he slept) I like the direction we are headed. Just reluctant to give him a lot of credit, I think he had no choice with all the millions he cost UK in attendance (still is, really) and with all the money rolling in to be spent-----although he made a very poor bargain obligating the athletic department for a couple hundred million for the CMS improvements.
Basketball a B, Billy Clyde didn't look that bad on his record, but should have been vetted much closer, turned out to be a disaster-------and the contract on toilet paper was another unbelievable mistake, similar to what Stoops contract could turn out to be------but I myself don't think it will by any means. VERY lucky that Cal said that UK was his dream job ever since he played us in the tourney in the 90s, I don't think he had a lot to do with his hire myself, in fact I don't think Cal would be here if it had been left up to him. I think Cal has about as good a character as anyone in coaching, about ten times as much as jurich's motley crew. UK is still being held back by the scaredy cat fear of the NCAA, that UL constantly laughs at and takes advantage of their incompetence, the COA the latest goof, IMO. Did you notice that Bama had almost the same situation as us with their instate competition------and wasted no time in correcting the situration. So while I think UK basketball is the best in the nation right now, I don't give him a lot of the credit.
The "minor" sports, an A at least------and I love them all, watched Mitchell's SEVENTH ranked UNDEFEATED 11-0 team double the score on MTSU tonight, they also have wins over both Duke and UL. Lots of facilities he has built with the money siphoned away from the money cow, football. The best baseball player in the nation in baseball year before last, and we consistently have good teams across the board, even an excellent finish in women's track this year.
But that is not a big plus to me, because I firmly believe if he had invested more of the money football brings in (most of it by the other SEC teams, not ours, we owe Bama football tens of millions, not counting all the other football teams) back into football, it would have ended up a good investment that would have made even more money for the minor sports------and football fans would have donated millions more, like they are now with the new football center. UK will make MORE staying home this year than we would have with a lower bowl game which would have cost us money to play in (still needed one badly) if we had gotten one, all of the SEC BCS bowls will bring us in over a million each, even split 14 ways. Sorry, but football has always been my number one sport, was still playing in organized flag football leagues into my forties and quit officiating at 65, mainly because I moved away from my association, so football has always been number one with me even though UK basketball has almost always been oh so much easier to follow.
I am not about to forget the lack of support for football for more than a decade, but I will have to give him this, I think he has been very lucky with Cal, and I think he will be with Stoops also.
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There's no way you can call the stoops hire a good hire yet did you see the in game adjustments this year? Neither did I.
Oh, by the way, 17,000 fans attended the women's recent basketball victory against UL------another defeat for jurich's cheaters. I just hope Pitino's classless gesture at the end of his eighth defeat in nine games against Cal is his last appearance at UK.
No it wasn't. The contract was criticized even at the time and it should have been. Nothing in the best interests of the school was addressed in that deal. We tied ourselves to suicidal deal for an untested coach. And for what? To lock him in? Well we didn't do that either. There are no financial penalties for Stoops if he wants to leave. That contract was so bad that it should it should be fireable. At this point if Stoops doesn't get the job done then Mitch needs to go with him. That deal was a horrible blunder and for a coach that has never had a winning record.
We blew two teams out that first year. We were not even close to being the worst team in the country. Probably about 50 or 60 of 120 teams had worse rosters. Joker left the program in a mess but there's no point in exaggerating past the point of credibility. Hell we even had players in year one that got pushed off the depth chart and have played pretty well for other colleges since leaving. If some of our rejects can actually be stars for other teams then there were several teams with less talent than us.
I'm no defender of Joker but this "worse talent level in history" line that some are repeatedly throwing out there just doesn't hold any water. Even during that first year we were still closer talent wise to the rest of the SEC than we were for most of the Curry era and the early part of the Brooks era. I can remember us playing 240 pound defensive tackles during the Curry era. My high school team even had bigger DTs than that.
Joker's first team went on the road to Florida that had a TWO deep that averaged over a 5.9 while we had more two stars starting than three stars, plus two walkons, with only two JC four stars starting for us. One of those walkons starting was a 265# DT that was facing a 6' 5" 320# fifth year FIVE STAR OT that was a high draft pick. And some fans thought we should have beat them, although we did beat top 10 USC that year and came within three points of Cam and the NC Auburn team.
There is nothing objective about jauk11 when it comes to Barhart. He has been beating that dead horse ever since I've known him here and has an extremely hard time allowing any positive comment about Barnhart to go without explaining what an abomination Barnhart is on the face of the earth. It is an obsession of his and is anything but objective. He would make a fire and brimstone baptist preacher shrink with embarrassment with one of his sermons from the mount.
Enjoy losing because that's just about all Barnhart is good for.
What a stupid fan base. True tuy consistently makes
Bad hires
Bad contracts
Bad decisions
Yet you can't get enough. Get your head of out of the sand or suffocate. The sooner we get fans like you gone the sooner those of us that demand a winning product will get it.