Gotta love law enforcement these days...
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Weird, I've been reading the exact topic tonight
I learned that sobriety checpoints are illegal here in Texas, and eleven other states. I also learned a lot about handlers giving alert signal to dogs for false alerts. I believe I after watching some videos.
but I also learned you can refuse to answer any questions at the immigration checkpoints within the state. Those always seemed unconstitutional to me.
http://www.texasobserver.org/border-patrol-takes-no-for-an-answer-at-internal-checkpoints/
I learned that sobriety checpoints are illegal here in Texas, and eleven other states. I also learned a lot about handlers giving alert signal to dogs for false alerts. I believe I after watching some videos.
but I also learned you can refuse to answer any questions at the immigration checkpoints within the state. Those always seemed unconstitutional to me.
http://www.texasobserver.org/border-patrol-takes-no-for-an-answer-at-internal-checkpoints/
The 'false alert' thing is what gets me. That ***** all over the 4th amendment. The 2nd amendment gets all the publicity, but the assault on the 4th amendment is a much bigger threat to this country IMO.
No kidding. I'm actually against dogs in general
At least sniffing a car when they have no probable cause to do so. That video taught me I just need to repeatedly say "am I detained?" And "I refuse to answer that question". Those guys kinda had balls trying that.
checkpoints period are illegal search and seizure. And while they're illegal here, if you get pulled we have No Refusal,judges on standby to give immediate warrants for blood draws. Lately some have asked for the numbers on warrant requests vs grants, but they've refused to release them. Which tells me its right at 100%. A cop on the phone telling the judge "I think he's drunk" seems a little lacking. Even the Supreme Court said checkpoints should be illegal, but we can make an exception for public safety. No, you can't make exceptions to the damn constitution.
yet strangely I'm ok with some gun regulations, like actually running background checks. If its legal for you to buy a gun, you can. Them making sure isn't unreasonable. But taking away semi-autos just cause they're ,axe of black plastic mad look extra scary is silly.
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At least sniffing a car when they have no probable cause to do so. That video taught me I just need to repeatedly say "am I detained?" And "I refuse to answer that question". Those guys kinda had balls trying that.
checkpoints period are illegal search and seizure. And while they're illegal here, if you get pulled we have No Refusal,judges on standby to give immediate warrants for blood draws. Lately some have asked for the numbers on warrant requests vs grants, but they've refused to release them. Which tells me its right at 100%. A cop on the phone telling the judge "I think he's drunk" seems a little lacking. Even the Supreme Court said checkpoints should be illegal, but we can make an exception for public safety. No, you can't make exceptions to the damn constitution.
yet strangely I'm ok with some gun regulations, like actually running background checks. If its legal for you to buy a gun, you can. Them making sure isn't unreasonable. But taking away semi-autos just cause they're ,axe of black plastic mad look extra scary is silly.
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Kind of playing devil's advocate here... all the police ******** aside, if he'd just rolled down his window all the way as asked in the first place, he probably would have been on his way in 30 seconds. It's not like they told him to exit the car or open the trunk right off the bat; just roll the window down. Rude, arrogant cops abusing their power and infringing on rights is definitely a problem, but many instances I see now seem to be provoked by people recording themselves sticking the letter of the law in cops' faces in hopes of capturing material that can get them personal attention on the internet. That doesn't make the cops right by any means, but why give them a reason to act that way?
Well, I kind of thought this country was founded on the idea that you're innocent until proven guilty. I shouldn't have to drive through a roadblock and have to prove my innocence. Amirite?!?!
I hope the cops are fired.
if you notice, just as the second cop is discovering the camera, he is saying something to the effect of the (dogs) signal not being very strong...then he stops speaking when he notices the camera.
some of yall wont like this, but america sucks. legislating freedom does in fact have boundaries when it starts to infringe upon others and the lack of understanding or enforcement of that will rot this country from the inside out.
'murica
rf&e
some of yall wont like this, but america sucks. legislating freedom does in fact have boundaries when it starts to infringe upon others and the lack of understanding or enforcement of that will rot this country from the inside out.
'murica
rf&e
Exactly.
Indeed, there are a lot of cops out there who take advantage of their position, but hell, every profession is plagued with people like that....even the ministry.
Like you said, the guy was just pretty much wanting to be a jackass and the whole situation could have been avoided.
Indeed, there are a lot of cops out there who take advantage of their position, but hell, every profession is plagued with people like that....even the ministry.
Like you said, the guy was just pretty much wanting to be a jackass and the whole situation could have been avoided.
A minister doesn't have the ability to put you in jail. Even if they do take advantage of being a preacher it doesn't make it right.
You'd sing a different tune if that was a crooked cop that was demanding that stuff from you because they wanted to plant evidence to meet a drug arrest quota for the month.
A right not exercised is a right lost. If you haven't broken the law in any way they have no right to detain you, and you don't have to answer any questions. Sure you could just do it and go about your way, but that's not the point.
You'd sing a different tune if that was a crooked cop that was demanding that stuff from you because they wanted to plant evidence to meet a drug arrest quota for the month.
A right not exercised is a right lost. If you haven't broken the law in any way they have no right to detain you, and you don't have to answer any questions. Sure you could just do it and go about your way, but that's not the point.
I dont see it as him wanting to be a jackass..
But just obviously trying to make a statement. He obviously had a pretty good idea how the cops were going to react. ILLEGALLY. Don't do exactly what we say and we will break the law the assert our authority over you. Could the situation have been avoided had he rolled down his window? Yes. But the point is that he wasn't breaking the law and knew his rights and the cops abused the hell out of their power at the drop of the hat. NO regard for the law or personal freedom. Point made.
But just obviously trying to make a statement. He obviously had a pretty good idea how the cops were going to react. ILLEGALLY. Don't do exactly what we say and we will break the law the assert our authority over you. Could the situation have been avoided had he rolled down his window? Yes. But the point is that he wasn't breaking the law and knew his rights and the cops abused the hell out of their power at the drop of the hat. NO regard for the law or personal freedom. Point made.
The Brandon Sheriffs department, Flowood Police Department and since the legislature has given the Reservoir Patrol new and more power, they have changed their name from Reservoir Police and now they are all over all areas around Spillway road. Most of the three agencies are way out of control and most of the officers are young, early " gung ho - way too much! Two recent cases to point out... Number one : My wife and I were in the process of moving from the Hugh ward area to a house on the reservoir and one night after partially moving and unpacking some boxes, we had only one couch in the house moved so far. My wife decided to go home along with my 12 yr old son to go to bed and she took a shortcut through the neighborhood and came out at the stop light in front of Macs gas and was headed down Hugh Ward Parkway and a Reservoir Police was just sitting in the parking lot , waiting on the next car to drive up to light. He pulled out and immediately " blue lighted to stop her. Note: She was wearing her seatbelt as well as my son who was sleeping. He asked for License, registration, and insurance info and after it was verified that everything was current, he then made her get out of the car and asked her the address she was moving to and the one she was relocating to. He then went and woke up my 12 yr old son and asked him the same info about the addresses and he answered correctly , not enough, NO - he then made both exit the vehicle and searched it front to back. When he realized he had nothing , he proceeded to make her park the car at a bank parking lot and made her call me to come get me to come get her to take her home because he said the her headlights were blinding everyone and she was driving with lights with low beam. I had to drive them home only a half mile to our home. Now this, to me is a total violation of every single right she had. Just totally uncalled for ! These guys around here are totally out of control and something needs to be done to wring them in. Another case in point, a Sheriffs department deputy followed my son in his Jeep Wrangler from Spillway, down Old Fantin Road to way over there to Flowood drive and finally stopped him because he felt like his taillights were too dark. He asked my son if they might be considered as illegal and my son told him that the lights were the same ones and color made in the factory. Well, the deputy could not let it go and just had to write him a ticket for them. I have never been so exasperated in my life--these two stops occurred one week apart. These cops are way out of control here in Flowood and some kind of movement needs to take place by all of us hardworking taxpayers to stop it ! It has gotten so out of hand that we take back roads everywhere now, just to avoid them, but sometimes, since there are so many --way too much of them, you will run into them on back roads! I have contacted both agencies chief and filed a complaint and both instances have been dropped because they both were unwarranted ! This crap has got to change here soon because they are totally out of control and money hungry!
Yeah, he was being a jackass. How in the hell was the cop supposed to know if the guy was DUI or not? He was acting suspicious by not rolling down his window, therefor the cop had reasonable suspicion and should have, and did investigate the situation further.
Someday if you have 3 of your family members killed by a drunk driver that plowed into the side of them you might be appreciative of what they are trying to do.
Someday if you have 3 of your family members killed by a drunk driver that plowed into the side of them you might be appreciative of what they are trying to do.
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That cop had no idea that the guy wasn't breaking any laws. For all he knows the guy has 3 DUIs, a suspended license and shouldn't be driving. And he rolls up on a DUI checkpoint and won't roll his window down? What if he was a DUI, he doesn't roll his window down, the cop lets him go because he can't do anything further, and he ends up plastering an innocent family on their way home? It's called "reasonable suspicion", and the cop has every right to further investigate the situation.
Could they have gone about it differently? Hell yeah. Of course. But there's thousands of people in every profession that doesn't do their job by the book and takes advantage of others every day.
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He pushed and they pushed back. That was actually pretty tame. Growing up, not obeying an officer would get you snatched out of a car by the nap of your neck. The ones you really didn't want to screw with were Game Wardens. I know of horror stories about getting vehicles tossed and they would just walk away. FTR. I think DUI checkpoints do more good than harm.
Courts don't agree but....
the use of a dog should be an unreasonable search unless they have probably cause and that doesn't mean refusing to let them search. It seems not letting them search gives them probable cause to get the dog. Hate the check points and they seem to think because they have a badge you must answer and submit to all their BS. The younger you are the worse they are. Was pulled over at a check point while at MSU, had car searched including the trunk while the good old boys let somebody go by with no tag no inspection sticker and all tail lights broken. Keep in mind this was 9:30 at night with no tail lights. Seems he knew one of the officers. My offense being 20 and not answering the question "Where have you been?" with what he wanted. My answer "out and on my way home" That's when I was told to pull over, pulled out of the car, walked the line, breathalyzer test and car searched. In the end was told I had an attitude problem and could have been written a ticket for failure to comply with an officers request. Simply for not answering "Where have you been?" the way he wanted
the use of a dog should be an unreasonable search unless they have probably cause and that doesn't mean refusing to let them search. It seems not letting them search gives them probable cause to get the dog. Hate the check points and they seem to think because they have a badge you must answer and submit to all their BS. The younger you are the worse they are. Was pulled over at a check point while at MSU, had car searched including the trunk while the good old boys let somebody go by with no tag no inspection sticker and all tail lights broken. Keep in mind this was 9:30 at night with no tail lights. Seems he knew one of the officers. My offense being 20 and not answering the question "Where have you been?" with what he wanted. My answer "out and on my way home" That's when I was told to pull over, pulled out of the car, walked the line, breathalyzer test and car searched. In the end was told I had an attitude problem and could have been written a ticket for failure to comply with an officers request. Simply for not answering "Where have you been?" the way he wanted
Completely agree here. He basically stood up the officer then began challenging him right off the bat. I'm appreciative of what Law Enforcement tries to do, because had the officer played along "nice," someone could have been injured or killed had it been someone with something to hide. The idiot in the car had the idea of challenging the officer right from the start to try to scream his rights were being infringed upon and that kind of **** pisses me off way more than an officer simply doing his job. Also, I must point out the officer requested nothing out of the ordinary... license... registration. Show that to the officer, and this **** doesn't happen. Chances are, all he's doing is checking to make sure everything is up to date.
ETA: Also, it must be pointed out that Driving is a privilege, not a right.... the idiot driving was way out of line.
ETA: Also, it must be pointed out that Driving is a privilege, not a right.... the idiot driving was way out of line.
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The kid was being a bit of a smart *** by not rolling his window down... but, there was NO reason for the trooper to take it to that extreme. I have had encounters with officers during a stop or check point like this that never escalated like that. The trooper had no reason to make the kid pull over, get out of the car or search his vehicle. These check points do help keep drivers off the road that don't need to be there, but you have to have probably cause to go to that extreme. The only probably cause was when the officer asked the kid if he knew the law and the kid actually did, which busted his ego instantly.
I live in a tough part of Austin when it comes to checking for DUI. Rule of thumb here is if you want to have more than one or two, get someone else to drive because you are eventually going to get caught. The guys out here are tough, really tough, but I have never seen them act like this *** did. They will hammer your *** if you need it, but in a polite and respectful manner.
This may sound like I have gotten a DUI when I actually have not. I have been witness to more than a couple getting caught and watched the officer behavior and even though they are tough as hell, they never act like an ***, even when the person getting stopped does.
I live in a tough part of Austin when it comes to checking for DUI. Rule of thumb here is if you want to have more than one or two, get someone else to drive because you are eventually going to get caught. The guys out here are tough, really tough, but I have never seen them act like this *** did. They will hammer your *** if you need it, but in a polite and respectful manner.
This may sound like I have gotten a DUI when I actually have not. I have been witness to more than a couple getting caught and watched the officer behavior and even though they are tough as hell, they never act like an ***, even when the person getting stopped does.
You can't see a driver's eyes are glazed over through a window 1/3 of the way down? He could smell alcohol, if there was any to smell. He had no reason to think he had been drinking, but the cop wanted to be a dick.
Here's what I don't get: 90% of the people in this thread vote Republican. SMALL GOVERNMENT! GET YOUR HANDS OFF MY AMMO OBAMA!! SECOND AMENDMENT, IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTION, PELOSI!!! But ****. Here's a video, and several stories, of how 95% of cops in America abusing their power, and all the Republicans are saying "Just roll the window down, and if you say no, that's reason to search". That's 100% ********, and it directly infringes on the Constitution way more than anything headlining FoxNews today, but that's okay because the cop talks with a Southern draw and goes to church with me. **** that.
Any Republican that watches that video or reads these stories should outraged. I don't understand the picking and choosing.
So you think drunk driving is such a problem that you are willing to give up your constitutional rights?
I tend to agree more with Benjamin Franklin when he said "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
I understand what you are trying to get out, but I stand on this premise here... driving is a privilege... not a right. It is not my American right to drive down the highway, it's a privilege that me, a taxpaying citizen, can take advantage of. The roads are constructed, built, and maintained by my tax dollars. The guy in the car gave the officer reasonable suspicion by not rolling down his window. The officer wanted to see his license and registration, which he is required to keep up to date and remain in good standing in order to participate in the privilege of using our roadways. I don't like how aggressively it was handled, but he's got to take caution... especially while the guy was standing him up. And i'll take it a step further by saying it wasn't the fact the guy's window was 3/4 the way up that got him in trouble, it was his response that indicated he was directly challenging the officer.
While so many people here are screaming the officer was out of line, so was the guy... and if you've ever known anyone to be killed drinking and driving, or be killed by someone who was drinking and driving (or under the influence of any other substance), than you are probably much more willing to cooperate when an officer asks you to roll down your window further and show him your license and registration. It's not hard...
While so many people here are screaming the officer was out of line, so was the guy... and if you've ever known anyone to be killed drinking and driving, or be killed by someone who was drinking and driving (or under the influence of any other substance), than you are probably much more willing to cooperate when an officer asks you to roll down your window further and show him your license and registration. It's not hard...
We should all respond this way
1) Highway patrol walked the dog around the car
2) Highway patrol tapped on car
3) Dog barked
4) Highway patrol said he had right to search car, and went all through it.
5) Nothing illegal was in car.
The Supreme Court just BARELY ruled that the cops couldn't pull this same kind of Nazi **** at your home. Specifically where a cop could come to your door, and if the dog barks or scratches at the door, then the cops had the right search your home.
That kid did a great job knowing and defending his rights. We all should respond the way he did, as Albert Einstein wrote:
"The strength of the Constitution lies entirely in the determination of each citizen to defend it. Only if every single citizen feels duty bound to do his share in this defense are the constitutional rights secure."
1) Highway patrol walked the dog around the car
2) Highway patrol tapped on car
3) Dog barked
4) Highway patrol said he had right to search car, and went all through it.
5) Nothing illegal was in car.
The Supreme Court just BARELY ruled that the cops couldn't pull this same kind of Nazi **** at your home. Specifically where a cop could come to your door, and if the dog barks or scratches at the door, then the cops had the right search your home.
That kid did a great job knowing and defending his rights. We all should respond the way he did, as Albert Einstein wrote:
"The strength of the Constitution lies entirely in the determination of each citizen to defend it. Only if every single citizen feels duty bound to do his share in this defense are the constitutional rights secure."
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