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AndyMSU

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Only assuming the situation was reversed and he were to have wanted to play football for our illustrious program.
 
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gptdawg

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Ironic in that I read somewhere that about 80% of the grades awarded at ivy leagues are A's. So called grade inflation.Then they are arrogant enough to reject grades from other institutions.
 
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dawgfisher

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If I remember correctly Harvard doesn't accept tranfer hours from anywhere, but I could be thinking of another school.
 
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that Princeton would not accept some credits from Vanderbilt.
 
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Sutterkane

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is the most overplayed **** ever. all ivy league schools have huge grade inflation problems.
 
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Todd4State

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Sutterkane woya said:
is the most overplayed **** ever. all ivy league schools have huge grade inflation problems.
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that there's not much difference between an education at State or Ole Miss and an education at Harvard. The only difference is you pay a buttload more money so that you can have a piece of paper that says "Harvard" or "Yale" on it.
 
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Optimus Prime 4

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My sister went there, and the sheer volume of work was far more than we ever did. Plus the competition is so much more. I mean those are really smart kids, and they still study nonstop. They also have better professors typically. There is a difference. That said, I could have gone and chose not to. I didn't want to work that hard.
 
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Henry Kissinger

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1) more contacts, and that's the biggest thing
2) it's a lot harder. i went to ole miss and it was stupid how easy it was. i think liberal arts programs across the country need to step it up drastically. professional programs (engineering, pharmacy, etc) are usually decent, but the whole "come get a degree in something, we don't care what" is a bad idea. at the same time, it's not graduate school hard, necessarily. most harvard kids will spend 20 hrs a week on school then they'll go do work in the community for 40 more.
3) better opportunities/resources. you can do more extensive, focused research. you also have access to the top professors in the world. it's harder, but you'll have a better product.

that said, if you're planning to go to graduate school you should just do your undergrad wherever you want and worry about ivy league afterward

edit: my friend at yale who went to ole miss for a year also had no credit transferred. like everyone else is saying, that's just the way it is for everbody
 
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DerHntr

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it is harder because the average student at MSU / OM is not on the same level as the average student at an Ivy League school. therefore the faculty can teach at a much more aggressive pace. more assignments, more reading, more of everything. it may not feel as hard to those who are there because they typically worked hard prior to going. but you put the average MSU / OM student in that system and it will look insanely hard as compared to what they are used to.
 
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SolidDog

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No way man.. Unless Ole Miss is 9x's easier than MSU (which I doubt) then your off here. Maybe the difference was your major vs your sister's major.

Duke does have better professors due to better pay but the education is not that different. I had the same class at both schools in some instances and the difference was irrelevant. Now, the job offers coming out of Duke are better based on reputation alone and the fact they feel sorry for you for paying so much for school.

Also it was nearly impossible to make anything less than a B at Duke... And I know a guy that was dumber than a box of rocks that got in (sports), had a 3.25 gpa, then got a six figure job coming out and was fired within a year for being an idiot.
 
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Optimus Prime 4

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pre-med, with a Philosophy major and a Chemistry minor. Even was a physics major for a little while. So no, I didn't take easy classes. And I still never cracked a book, yet kept a full ride my whole college career. She wasn't quite as smart as me, but she cared a lot more, and I know she busted her ***, and she was smarter than most at our schools. Maybe you hit the easy classes, or they just fit you better, I don't know. Maybe you took hard classes at State. But the average business major at OM or MSU would fail out of Duke. (not all business majors, so don't *****) So would all of the fashion merchandising chicks. So maybe the hard parts weren't so much harder, but they don't have the easy *** lanes either. Or maybe I have no clue.

I do agree about the grade thing. I think it's two factors. One, they don't want to fail anyone. And two, most students there care a lot. So really less of them do fail. though I'm sure some get a pass.

But I guess my point is on average, their students really are much smarter and care more about that ****. That does not mean I'd rather hang out with them though. And you're right about the jobs. They get better offers, but all college really matters is that first offer. After that it's about what you do. At least in good companies it is. Your degree is mostly for your first job or two. Then it's what you have actually done.
 
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I've mentioned this before... My sister started her internship at Duke after she graduated from UMC. Her husband's got his MD degree from Duke, and their oldest son's a sophomore there. Having seen what my sister and bro-in-law went through and what my nephew's going through now, Duke is tough, but it's tough because the people who are there are driven to succeed-- even more so because they know that they did well enough to be accepted by the university, and they want to prove that they belong.
 
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SolidDog

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But I guess my point is on average, their students really are much smarter and care more about that ****.
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Maybe I'm missing the point... I'm not at all trying to compare the overall average student at OM or MSU to the average Duke student. That would be insane. I thought the topic was "are the classes harder" or to your point "10x's harder". An above average student at MSU and OM can get through Duke with an A average. I can attest to that. I'm no philosophy/chemistry guy, I would have failed that at both schools so your right on the fact that it is sometimes all about picking the right thing to major in whether you succeed or not. The reason Duke is thought of as more prestigious than a school like OM or MSU is because there are no below average students to drag down the overall student body. People fail out of our schools more often, students graduate with "c" averages from MSU.. that doesn't happen at a school like Duke.. You coast by if your an athlete (yeah just like at our schools) doing nothing and if your a regular student who's an idiot your gone the first semester... Everybody else will get an A or B almost guaranteed as long as you don't rape a hooker and/or quit doing your homework, which at $50,000 a semester doesn't happen. That keeps the job placement rates at 100% which is 1,000,000x's more important (for future grants, etc..) than trying to be "hard"...

Honestly, some of the "harder" part is probably that they assign more ******** homework/projects because the professors are not as lazy as they are at MSU and don't mind having to grade them. That doesn't make it harder, just more of a pain in the ***. From people I work with I assume this is the case with a lot of schools who claim to be elite.
 
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JohnDawg

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I was still considered a freshman at State, after passing 32 hrs at Millsaps. It was absolute hell trying to petition for classes to transfer over. I guess there's just a difference in the 2 curriculums? Also, I had a friend that went to State and transferred to Millsaps and very few of his classes transferred.
 
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Classes are harder at Duke because professors don't have to deal with below average students. Profs can make assignments a bit more difficult because they know the students there are, for the most part, driven to succeed and have been prepared to succeed because students have generally attended excellent secondary schools.

Case in point: When I attended my oldest nephew's high school graduation last year, his school listed the four-year colleges that the graduates at his school would be attending-- all of the graduating class were planning on attending four-year colleges (no community colleges, no students who were planning to go straight to the military). The smartest 25 percent of the class of not quite 50 were accepted by really prestigious schools (Princeton, Washington U. in St. Louis, NYU, etc.).

If a college has an environment made up solely of students who have been driven to succeed, the profs can assign more, go a bit further, than would professors who have classes that have students whose environments are a bit more mixed. While I wouldn't be surprised at the existence of grade inflation, I still think that a Duke-level student who would have coasted by with a 3.0 average would have a much higher average at UM or MSU because the classes at Duke were sufficiently tough-- a higher strength of schedule, as it were.
 
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My son was valedictorian of his class at a 4A school in the state. He had a 4.2 GPA and scored a 32 on his ACT. He applied at Ole Miss, Tulane and Vandy. He was accepted into the Honors College at Ole Miss and as a regular student at Tulane. He was put on the waiting list at Vandy.

He decided to attend Tulane. The average ACT score of the average student at Tulane was just a little under the same score for the average student in the Honors College at Ole Miss. The difference was minimal. Of the over 40,000 applicants to Tulane, they accepted around 1,500 this year.

Duke was rated as the 10th best college by US News and World Report. Vandy was 25th and Tulane 50th. I am not sure where Ole Miss and MSU were ranked.

Some schools have much higher admission standards than others. In addition, some have more qualified professors. Those tend to be the better universities.
 
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