Grade Lebby so far

[L4Dawg]

No it's not. Not even close. The Rockey years, the end of the Sherrill years and the Croom years were all much worse.

Not for what they left behind talent wise. Sherrill won immediately with Rocky's players. Croom left some players as well. Sherrill would be the closest but it was not as bad as what we put on the field last year. That was the least talented MSU team I have ever seen.

 

[paindonthurt]

This probably represents my points i'm not good at making better.

Anyone voting in the B- to C- range i can completely agree with.

B is probably too generours
D and below.......... #sub100

 

[paindonthurt]

No it's not. Not even close. The Rockey years, the end of the Sherrill years and the Croom years were all much worse.

Dan Mullen DID NOT inherent less talent than Lebby did.

 

[paindonthurt]

Not for what they left behind talent wise. Sherrill won immediately with Rocky's players. Croom left some players as well. Sherrill would be the closest but it was not as bad as what we put on the field last year. That was the least talented MSU team I have ever seen.

Yeah Croom left Mullen with 11 NFL players.

Rocky recruited pretty decent but was terrible as a coach.

 

[The Peeper]

I see it a little differently. The fact that he was able to get 10th place out of 16 after going 1-15 in the conference speaks about his recruiting ability. Now, if it is still 10 out of 16 years from now, that isn't going to work.

Glass half full, glass half empty. I see it as the reason he's 1-15 is because he's finishing 10th or worse in recruiting HS players and flunking in the portal so far.

 

[paindonthurt]

Dan Mullen DID NOT inherent less talent than Lebby did.

@patdog if you believe Dan Mullen inherited less talent than Lebby I should start putting you in that sub 100 category.

 

[paindonthurt]

Glass half full, glass half empty. I see it as the reason he's 1-15 is because he's finishing 10th or worse in recruiting HS players and flunking in the portal so far.

If the argument is lebby needs to recruit better, i get it. I agree.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

What would you give Lebby? I didn't have enough choices to add +s.

I feel like we need categories: Defense: F (F- if he keeps the current DC), Offense: B, In Game Decisions at Critical Times: F-

 

[MaxwellSmart]

I gave him a D- because there was minimal improvement. Couldn't go full D because he kept Hutzler at DC.

 

[Drebin]

Lebby had to rebuild the entire roster. It was at basically zero when he was hired. No way he could have won more that he did his first year.

I disagree. I didn't expect a winning season but getting blown out on your home field by Toledo and fielding the worst defense in the history of the program more due to the coaching than to the personnel...that was a big, big woof. There's no year zero here. That was his year one and it sucked way worse than it needed to and his incompetence as a head coach had a lot to do with it.

 

[TaleofTwoDogs]

What no A+ choice? Asking for a friend.

 

[Perd Hapley]

I don't see how anyone can give him anything other than an F. Yesterday was a decent day, but he's gotta stack decent days on top of decent days, and then show he can make a sane gameday coaching decision just to move to a D.

I voted for “grading scale not low enough”

My benchmarks were as follows:

Mullen - A
JWS - A-
Leach - B
Moorhead - D
Arnett - F
Croom - F

All of the above were substantially better than JL. So, “grading scale not low enough” it is.

 

[85Bears]

What no A+ choice? Asking for a friend.

Does your friend smoke crack ?

 

[She Mate Me]

I'd rather not. What's the point? He's here another year. We need to keep improving or he needs to go.

I don't even give a **** about what staff moves he makes or doesn't. He's the CEO and it'll be obvious next season if he didn't make the right ones.

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

Is that 10th out of 16 based on average rank per player signed or the total points for the number of players signed? So far State has signed 31 players and expect to sign 2 more. Now those 2 may raise the individual average and will certainly raise the total score. So if warm bodies is the measure of success, State may actually end up in the Top 8 IF they get the 2 they are hoping sign tomorrow.

 

[johnson86-1]

I voted for “grading scale not low enough”

My benchmarks were as follows:

Mullen - A
JWS - A-
Leach - B
Moorhead - D
Arnett - F
Croom - F

All of the above were substantially better than JL. So, “grading scale not low enough” it is.

Croom was not better than Lebby. Lebby sucked last year, but while he almost sucked as badly as Croom, Croom was being bailed out by a good defensive coordinator. Credit to Croom for actually hiring a good defensive coordinator, but the team still sucked and his side of the ball sucked way worse. Lebby's offense has at least shown that at worst he can be an offensive coordinator in college, and if he learns, maybe he can be a good head coach also.

 

[wxgtnv]

B-

He’s learning. He wants to win as badly as we want to see our team win. Personally, I think he’s a nice guy and loyal to a fault, which at this level you can’t have. Explains why we had Blake starting most of the year, and why Hutzler is still in his position. He’ll shed that away with time. The young core has latched their wagon to him and seem to really believe in him, so I will too. If we had a mass exodus of our youth like KT, Fluff, etc all at the same time, I’d be extremely concerned.

 

[knock him out john]

It's a F. It has to be an F.

He's 1-15 after two seasons and that 1 was because the other team set their all time record in penalty yards. He personally blew the Florida & Texas games with bad play call decisions and then defended those decisions after each game.

Sly Croom who most agree was a terrible HC went 10-30 in the SEC, for a .250 winning percentage.
Jeff Lebby is 1-15 for a .062 winning percentage. He's literally exponentially worse than Croom.

Croom had more to work with his first year and ran off some good players.
Lebby's bone head decisions make you wonder if he has what it takes.
I gave him a c because I gave him a drop grade on year

I disagree. I didn't expect a winning season but getting blown out on your home field by Toledo and fielding the worst defense in the history of the program more due to the coaching than to the personnel...that was a big, big woof. There's no year zero here. That was his year one and it sucked way worse than it needed to and his incompetence as a head coach had a lot to do with it.

then you fire him after next year. What makes anyone think he can win 8 or even 7 games with a tougher 9 game schedule?
He doesn't have the "it" factor. Sumrall does.

 

[Drebin]

Croom had more to work with his first year and ran off some good players.
Lebby's bone head decisions make you wonder if he has what it takes.
I gave him a c because I gave him a drop grade on year

then you fire him after next year. What makes anyone think he can win 8 or even 7 games with a tougher 9 game schedule?
He doesn't have the "it" factor. Sumrall does.

Should have fired him this year.

 

[champdawg.sixpack]

C+

 

[TTKADawg]

C- but … has the chance to get some extra credit. I actually like him, and hope he can be the guy. Time will tell.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

I've given him a D-, but the year isn't over. He still has his final exam (1 question - does Hutzler stay as defensive coordinator). If he gets that wrong, I'd give him an F.

 

[champdawg.sixpack]

For you imbeciles that are mad because he is “learning as he goes”. What the 17 did you expect!? He had no HC experience when we hired him. Soooo, just a tad of common 17 sense would have told you that there would be a learning curve. You kids are friggin spoiled. Gotta have it now. Go earn something young uns!

 

[TaleofTwoDogs]

Does your friend smoke crack ?

No, but he has always had a knack for extreme hyperbole.

 

[DT4248]

Year 1 - F
Offseason - F
Win over ASU, competitive against tennessee - had us looking at a B or higher.
Only winning against Arkansas bring this year to a D+.
Overall D-
Offseason 2 rumblings sound like we'll have a solid C+ / B-
Needs 6 wins (with one being Egg) or 8+ wins to bring the grade up to a C- overall and be allowed to take the next level of class (stay in 2027). Otherwise cut bait.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

For you imbeciles that are mad because he is “learning as he goes”. What the 17 did you expect!? He had no HC experience when we hired him. Soooo, just a tad of common 17 sense would have told you that there would be a learning curve. You kids are friggin spoiled. Gotta have it now. Go earn something young uns!

I, for one, wanted someone with previous head coaching experience.

Instead, Lebby and his fellow Sweathogs are in Mr. Kotter’s Remedial Coaching class.

Here’s something about students who generally take remedial classes: It’s tough work, many don’t advance, and a lot of folks here in Six Pack Speak have said they’d be better off learning trades at Jucos… **

 

[TPIPER36]

I disagree. I didn't expect a winning season but getting blown out on your home field by Toledo and fielding the worst defense in the history of the program more due to the coaching than to the personnel...that was a big, big woof. There's no year zero here. That was his year one and it sucked way worse than it needed to and his incompetence as a head coach had a lot to do with it.

lol year zero is such a joke. When Lebby took over, state was one year removed from 9 wins. Arnetts only season was still better than Lebby year one. Give this Lebby guy a big fat F

 

[Motodawg]

The transfer portal is making this recruiting ranking less relevant than it already was.

That may or may not be true, but had we ranked in the mid 40s (which correct me if I’m wrong, is where we were-I believe), this board would have been all kinds of tore up. We needed a win to build momentum and I hope this was it. I am disappointed we weren’t even in the mix enough to flip a single ole Miss player after their coach quit the way he did. That would have been a huge momentum builder.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

 

[bulldoghair]

nm

 

[bulldoghair]

That may or may not be true, but had we ranked in the mid 40s (which correct me if I’m wrong, is where we were-I believe), this board would have been all kinds of tore up. We needed a win to build momentum and I hope this was it. I am disappointed we weren’t even in the mix enough to flip a single ole Miss player after their coach quit the way he did. That would have been a huge momentum builder.

High school and junior college signing day rankings are a fool’s gold incomplete pictures of how good a team’s incoming talent actually is. They used to be 80–90% of the story. In 2025, they are often less than 50% of the real recruiting story. If you want to know who truly “won” recruiting in 2025, you have to wait until May (after spring portal window closes) and look at the combined high school + transfer portal rankings.

 

[MagnoliaHunter]

I gave him a D instead of a F only because he inherited an absolute pile of doo doo from Arnett and the others involved in that shite show. We could've been 8-4 this year, and at least should've been 6-6 and bowling. His refusal to make any changes to staff, especially on defense, after that 2-10, 0-8 showing was not good. His hiring of Hutzler started his whole regime off with a bad taste. In no way ever should a position coach that has never called defense be hired as an SEC coordinator, nor should they be given a million plus dollars guaranteed for 3 years to do it. Why did he hire Hutzler? Because they were buddies, he got shot down by other candidates and that's all he could get(which I don't believe because he could've gotten a successful DC from a G5 school that had actually called a defense before), or something else? I don't know the answer to that. He has a chance to fix it now which he'd better do, or he will be job hunting this time next year.

You say he didn't make any changes to staff this year. He did bring in two highly regarded defensive guys to help Hutzler.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

I feel like we need categories: Defense: F (F- if he keeps the current DC), Offense: B, In Game Decisions at Critical Times: F-

Unfortunately the last category is extremely weighted for the final grade. Making bad decisions and freezing up in those critical situations trumps the other categories. He needs what they call in baseball a bench coach. A guy that is responsible for the in game strategy to help him be ready to make the right decision in a timely manner.

 

[Mr. Cook]

I, for one, wanted someone with previous head coaching experience.

Instead, Lebby and his fellow Sweathogs are in Mr. Kotter’s Remedial Coaching class.

Here’s something about students who generally take remedial classes: It’s tough work, many don’t advance, and a lot of folks here in Six Pack Speak have said they’d be better off learning trades at Jucos… **

 

[paindonthurt]

Does your friend smoke crack ?

Probably way less than you

 

[paindonthurt]

Does your friend smoke crack ?

When I look at your profile pic I imagine it’s what you really look and act like

 

[paindonthurt]

I'd rather not. What's the point? He's here another year. We need to keep improving or he needs to go.

I don't even give a **** about what staff moves he makes or doesn't. He's the CEO and it'll be obvious next season if he didn't make the right ones.

100% agree with this

Fans need to STFU
Let him do his job
Then let selmon do his

 

[paindonthurt]

Should have fired him this year.

 

[Drebin]

only a complete 17n idiot would disagree. Congrats.

 

[Drebin]

For you imbeciles that are mad because he is “learning as he goes”. What the 17 did you expect!? He had no HC experience when we hired him. Soooo, just a tad of common 17 sense would have told you that there would be a learning curve. You kids are friggin spoiled. Gotta have it now. Go earn something young uns!

The answer to the problem can be derived in the third sentence of your retarded diatribe. We should've never hired the guy to begin with. We could fix it if we were a serious program with the testicular fortitude to do so, but nah, we ain't that. Fans like you are part of the problem.