Toggle sidebar

Grambling might not field a football team this weekend....

H

HardyStreetAlumniClub

Redshirt
Jul 29, 2013
211
0
0
Damn that's crazy.... and sad as well.

I can understand budget cuts and how they cripple an athletic program, but the lack of the alumni "giving a ****" is what confuses me. They may not have a bunch of wealthy alums like larger schools, but the ones they have should care more. They don't even budget for alumni donations? Crazy ****
 
G

godlluB

Redshirt
Sep 24, 2012
504
0
0
Thanks for posting this. I've been wondering what was at the heart of this, but hadn't had time to try to find an article.
 
seshomoru

seshomoru

Junior
Apr 24, 2006
5,591
275
83
Dang...

I knew they were struggling, but... "Since 2007-08, overall state funding for Grambling has gone from $31.6 million to $13.8 million." This is an administration and state government issue. I don't know if this ever gets worked out.l
 
T

THE Bruce Dickinson

Junior
Aug 22, 2012
1,039
269
83
The truth seems to be that they don't have many alumni period. They have an enrollment of about 5,000 students and have a 4 year graduation rate of 7%. Athletics should be the least of their concerns at the moment.
 
R

RocketDawg

All-Conference
Oct 21, 2011
18,975
2,081
113
THE Bruce Dickinson said:
The truth seems to be that they don't have many alumni period. They have an enrollment of about 5,000 students and have a 4 year graduation rate of 7%. Athletics should be the least of their concerns at the moment.
Click to expand...

7%?? That's ridiculous. Forget about the football team ... why does the SCHOOL still even exist? That's got to be the lowest in the nation.

I can't really see much reason to waste money on an institution with that kind of graduation rate. Really ... not everybody is cut out for college.
 
T

The Usual Suspect

Junior
Sep 1, 2011
2,498
208
63
One has to question how many small colleges, and schools in general with terrible academics are operating that should (by economic analysis) be closed or totally revamped. I don't particularly want anyone's school to get closed, but situations like they have at Grambling are real State budget killers. That is crazy, 7% 4 year grad rate?
 
R

RocketDawg

All-Conference
Oct 21, 2011
18,975
2,081
113
I'll WAG about 30-35%.

I know when I was there, Dr. Sheeley got rid of 50% of the engineers the first semester, then 50% of what was left during the second semester. So there were only 25% left going into the sophomore year. But most went to other majors and didn't drop out of school. That's why engineering is sometime called pre-business. But those 75% should never have been in the engineering school anyway.

But that's not typical of the school. So I'll stick with my guess. And I did no research.

Even so, 7% is absurd.
 
H

HardyStreetAlumniClub

Redshirt
Jul 29, 2013
211
0
0
dawgstudent said:
Don't research. What would you think State's 4 year graduation rate is?
Click to expand...

I think it's around 60%? UM like 62% USM is like 40%

I just say that because it was brought up in a conversation I had a few days ago. And it could be completely off.

7% just made me not feel as bad for those athletes and their University. To only have a freaking 7% grad rate is absolutely embarrassing. They should not be allowed to have an athletic program with that graduation rate.
 
Last edited:
T

THE Bruce Dickinson

Junior
Aug 22, 2012
1,039
269
83
I read an article about it not too long ago. I believe the nation's lowest was Southern University at 4% 4 year graduation rate, and something like 92% of its student on some kind of Pell Grant. From an economic stand point, there is NO reason whatsoever that some of these schools should even be open, but there are some political pressures that keep the lights on.

Here is a link for the Grambling numbers http://collegeapps.about.com/od/collegeprofiles/p/grambling-state-university.htm
 
uptowndawg

uptowndawg

Senior
Jul 15, 2010
2,190
901
113
Louisiana has been cutting the everliving ****

Out of their education budget for the last few years now.
 
R

RocketDawg

All-Conference
Oct 21, 2011
18,975
2,081
113
Took me 5 years, but that's because I was a co-op student.

Back then, we needed 144 hours to graduate in engineering; now (unless it's changed) you only need 128 and there are more "humanities" type courses required. So fewer engineering classes. Not sure if that indicates a decrease in education quality for engineering, but I kinda suspect it does.
 
seshomoru

seshomoru

Junior
Apr 24, 2006
5,591
275
83
It may indicate more specialized engineering classes

Or a technological advancement in what has to be learned. Some stuff could be obsolete. The hours it took you to learn stuff on your abacus doesn't take as many courses with today's fancy calculatin' machines.**
 
R

RocketDawg

All-Conference
Oct 21, 2011
18,975
2,081
113
Seshomoru said:
Or a technological advancement in what has to be learned. Some stuff could be obsolete. The hours it took you to learn stuff on your abacus doesn't take as many courses with today's fancy calculatin' machines.**
Click to expand...

You joke, but we were still using slide rules then. The hand held calculator came out a couple of years after I graduated. I remember the first HP that we bought at the office cost almost $500 (and that was early '70s dollars) and we kept it in a security safe when it wasn't in use.

The basics of engineering hasn't changed, but the ability to run "cases" much faster certainly has changed. In some cases, that's not a good thing. As you may know, an engineer is never satisfied with the answer he gets ... he just runs out of time. And we got to the moon with slide rules, Friden calculators, and Univac 1108's. NASA really can't duplicate that now, and they've tried.
 
B

bullythisblackbear

Redshirt
Sep 4, 2013
85
0
0
And the idiots in Jackson want to build a 200 million dollar indoor stadium for Jackson State. In a conference that's bankrupt and on the verge of dissolving. The SWAC is the worst run conference in America at any level.
 
F

futaba.79

Redshirt
Jun 4, 2007
2,296
0
0
hardly anybody graduates in 8 semesters......

which is why schools aren't measured by the 4yr rate anymore. If you pulled it off, you're one of the exceptions.
 
O

Optimus Prime 4

Redshirt
May 1, 2006
8,560
0
0
Why would you want to?

I finished my fourth year with 9 hours left, and could have easily finished in summer school. But I didn't, because college was awesome. I stayed a fifth year, took one class one semester and two classes the other and worked at a restaurant/bar every day. Best decision ever.
 
C

Cousin Jeffrey

Redshirt
Feb 20, 2011
754
13
18
It took me 9 semesters (no summers). And I wouldn't say I was slacking. I took 138 hours in 9 semesters, which is an average of 15.3 per semester. To get that done in 8 semesters would require over 17 hours per semester on average, which would mean I'd have to take 18 hours on most semesters. I took 18 hours one semester (four of those classes were Calculus 4, Physics 3, Dynamics, and Mechanics of Materials). I only did that once.

There's no shame in needing more than 8 semesters to graduate.
 
R

RocketDawg

All-Conference
Oct 21, 2011
18,975
2,081
113
I did my 144 hours in 4 school years and 2 semesters. That's 14 semesters available, counting summer school. Had 5 co-op semesters, so 9 semesters in school, one of which was a summer. Did my entire freshman and senior years in school. 3 of the 5 co-op semesters were in the summer and I only had 1 summer at school.

In a normal semester, I took 18-19 hours but some classes had labs that didn't count as hours but you still had to take them. My senior last semester I only took a couple of courses.

Back then (and maybe now), the catalog laid out a curriculum for graduating in 4 years and it was very specific. There were very few electives in engineering ... I think the only 2 real ones were humanities (I took American Government and Psychology). There were a few technical electives, but they had to be in your major field so there weren't many options available. Also had to take ROTC the first 2 years that's not required any more. But that only counted for 1 hour per semester.

We also had classes that started at 7 a.m., and a few 5 hour classes that met M-F. And the majority of classes were MWF and TThS ... yes, Saturday. Saturday classes were the norm.
 
R

RocketDawg

All-Conference
Oct 21, 2011
18,975
2,081
113
That's fine if you can afford it. But some of us, and probably more in my day than now, wanted to get out of college and get a job to have income rather than outgo. Actually, it was necessary in most cases.
 
DesotoCountyDawg

DesotoCountyDawg

Heisman
Nov 16, 2005
27,543
20,518
113
I did it in 4 years as well. Although I took a few summer school classes too so I could have less of a load during football season.
 
O

Optimus Prime 4

Redshirt
May 1, 2006
8,560
0
0
It was income neutral. Working paid for everything

Back then I could live (and go out...) quite cheaply. To be fair, I had no one depending on me. But one less year in the real world has not significantly affected my career.
 
R

rabiddawg

Redshirt
Aug 19, 2010
2,017
0
0
This is why I don't feel bad about reserving one game a year to play our SWAC brethren. In most case our one game with them triples or quadruples their yearly athletic budget. As one of the schools in this state that receives a fat stipend from the SEC via ESPN I feel it is our place as The State University of Mississippi to help them out as much as we can.

if LSU would forgo their Woford game every year and buy a Grambling game then that would solve a huge amount of their issues with funding.
 
Last edited:
AFDawg

AFDawg

Senior
Apr 28, 2010
3,276
519
113
My wife graduated in 3 (including summers) in biochem. Good life advice: marry up. #humblebrag

However, she'd be the first to tell you to take all the time you can.
 
S

Shamoan

Redshirt
Jun 27, 2013
12,466
0
0
 
SwampDawg

SwampDawg

Sophomore
Feb 24, 2008
2,193
122
63
Went through fraternity rush with a guy. We were talking, and I told him I was in General Business, and he responded (looking down his nose at me) that he was in Nuclear Engineering. We happened to join the same fraternity, so I found out about three or four weeks later he had transferred. To General Business. Engineering was tough back in those slide rule days.
 
B

BellDawger

Redshirt
Oct 19, 2013
4
0
0
I also graduated in 3.5 years. My final year I took 18 hours first semester, 16 hours over summer and 19 hours in 2nd semester all to graduate in December. It was a good decision but crazy too!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.