Granny shot free throws needs a come back

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NU is 136-th in the nation @ team free throw %. Not one player on the husker roster shoots great from the charity line. McVeigh & Watson are ok. I wouldn’t call them “great”. But the rest of the team is pretty pathetic. Nebraska basketball doesn’t have the talent to overcome being 136th in the nation @ free-throws.

I think there’s an easy fix here. Miles really needs to stress that guys like Jordy, Jacobson, & Morrow need to think about incorporating a granny shot for free throws. It’s the most frustrating part of watching basketball. Missed free. And I get that it’s hard for taller guys to make free throws since their hands and body don’t cooperate with how one shoots an overhanded free throw.

But there’s the key word “overhanded”. Statistics prove that shooting an underhanded free-throw will dramatically raise your free-throw % when you’re a tall person. Being tall is actually an advantage when shooting underhand from the stripe. But no one does it outside of Canyon Berry & Chinanu Onuaku. And both are success stories. It just doesn’t make any sense.

Rick Berry has reached out to guys like Howard & Drummond in the NBA about this. He told them he could dramatically raise their free throw % by teaching them an underhanded free throw. They basically told him, not interested due to it making them look like fools. They’d literally rather look cool and lose vs look bad and win. And this is why basketball will never be as great in my mind as football. If I told a linebacker, if you tackle “this way” you will dramatically increase your tackles and heavily reduce the amount of broken tackles you give up. However, you stance will make you look like a dork. How many football players would care how they look? Seriously. Or if I told a baseball player, you'll hit .300 if you choke up on the bat a little.

So if I am basketball coach and a kid is shooting less than 70% from the line, he’s going to have to try shooting granny shots. There is no excuses for being worse than 70% from the line. Even that’s low. When will coaches and players start seeing this? Am I wrong here? Does the form of shooting matter more than actually making the bucket?
 

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And I get that it’s hard for taller guys to make free throws since their hands and body don’t cooperate with how one shoots an overhanded free throw.

Dirk Nowitski says hello. It's about practice, practice, practice.

 

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Watson & McVeigh both shoot 80% or higher, with Watson currently sitting as the 7th best FT shooter in the B1G. McVeigh doesn't have the attempts to qualify in the ranking. Roby & Horne are 80% or higher as well, but neither have the amount of attempts to give much justice.

Let's not go overboard like this is strictly a Nebraska issue. It's across the board in college hoops. Nebraska is currently #6 in the B1G.

Top 25 teams with worse FT% than Nebraska
#3 Kansas
#7 Oregon
#8 Louisville
#9 West Virginia
#10 North Carolina
#11 Wisconsin
#13 Kentucky
#14 Virginia
#17 Florida State
#19 SMU
#20 Creighton
#21 South Carolina
#23 Maryland
Recently dropped out Cincinnati, VCU, Dayton, Middle Tennessee State, Vermont, and Xavier are worse as well.

I've followed the Barry philosophy and it has my attention...
 
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otismotis08

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Might be interesting to watch, for someone who hasn't watched an entire BB game in years at any level.
 

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Watson & McVeigh both shoot 80% or higher, with Watson currently sitting as the 7th best FT shooter in the B1G. McVeigh doesn't have the attempts to qualify in the ranking. Roby & Horne are 80% or higher as well, but neither have the amount of attempts to give much justice.

Let's not go overboard like this is strictly a Nebraska issue. It's across the board in college hoops. Nebraska is currently #6 in the B1G.

Top 25 teams with worse FT% than Nebraska
#3 Kansas
#7 Oregon
#8 Louisville
#9 West Virginia
#10 North Carolina
#11 Wisconsin
#13 Kentucky
#14 Virginia
#17 Florida State
#19 SMU
#20 Creighton
#21 South Carolina
#23 Maryland
Recently dropped out Cincinnati, VCU, Dayton, Middle Tennessee State, Vermont, and Xavier are worse as well.

I've followed the Barry philosophy and it has my attention...

I agree, Watson & McVeigh do their jobs at the line. I wouldn't call them great by any means. Solid for sure. And yes a lot of those teams are worse @ shooting free throws. And yes poor shooting at the charity line is a NBA / college basketball problem, not just a husker problem . However, all of those teams you stated above have better talent then NU does. Kansas is terrible @ the line but they are loaded with talent so they can get away with it. NU can not. Miles has to be better in other areas to hang and free-throws is one of those areas.

People can say it's practice. And for some it is. But some guys just are not shooters and never will be. Shaq practiced free throws all the time but he just could not shoot well. It's like a normal person trying to shoot a free throw with a softball. It's just difficult to do. Now do it underhand and its a ton more easy.
 
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I watched the warmups prior to the game last night and Jordy was the only one I saw take any shots from the line in practice. 80% of the team took multiple three pointers but only one guy steps to the line in warmups? When Morrow hit two in a row, during the game, about 6,000 people inside the arena said, we could have used one of those against Wisconsin. It should be automatic and practice is key.
 

coachDubs

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And yes a lot of those teams are worse @ shooting free throws. And yes poor shooting at the charity line is a NBA / college basketball problem, not just a husker problem . However, all of those teams you stated above have better talent then NU does. Kansas is terrible @ the line but they are loaded with talent so they can get away with it. NU can not. Miles has to be better in other areas to hang and free-throws is one of those areas.

It's not just talent, it's also who gets fouled and why many coaches remove their bigs at a certain point for better FT % down the stretch with a lead. Not that we've had the chance often but Miles has done the same thing.

Staying at 70%, or higher, is good enough for this current NU team to win enough games.

63.5% against Wisconsin
58% against GW (Sick)
55% against Ohio State

There's 3 losses right there that very easily have a different outcome if we hit at the charity stripe. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your thoughts, just can't get behind a blanket statement.
 

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Many games are won and lost at the freethrow line.

Well, NU has been on the latter part of that popular saying way too much in close games, whether we won or lost.

It would be nice be better, but comparing freethrow% numbers of all teams, we aren't as bad as it seems.

It would be better to be more consistent and not have the really lousy freethrow% games for those games that should have easily been won by everything else that was done so well during the game.
 
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Nebraska shoots 71% from the free throw line. While ranked in the middle of the pack, it's not completely horrible. It has been magnified by the fact that they have had games where they have had issues with FT's and has cost them. My thought is that it has been more mental in crunch time than an actual issue with free throw shooting. As bad as the Huskers shot against iowa at home, I looked at the stats and it was one or two players that drug the rest of the team down.
 

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NU is 136-th in the nation @ team free throw %. Not one player on the husker roster shoots great from the charity line. McVeigh & Watson are ok. I wouldn’t call them “great”. But the rest of the team is pretty pathetic. Nebraska basketball doesn’t have the talent to overcome being 136th in the nation @ free-throws.

I think there’s an easy fix here. Miles really needs to stress that guys like Jordy, Jacobson, & Morrow need to think about incorporating a granny shot for free throws. It’s the most frustrating part of watching basketball. Missed free. And I get that it’s hard for taller guys to make free throws since their hands and body don’t cooperate with how one shoots an overhanded free throw.

But there’s the key word “overhanded”. Statistics prove that shooting an underhanded free-throw will dramatically raise your free-throw % when you’re a tall person. Being tall is actually an advantage when shooting underhand from the stripe. But no one does it outside of Canyon Berry & Chinanu Onuaku. And both are success stories. It just doesn’t make any sense.

Rick Berry has reached out to guys like Howard & Drummond in the NBA about this. He told them he could dramatically raise their free throw % by teaching them an underhanded free throw. They basically told him, not interested due to it making them look like fools. They’d literally rather look cool and lose vs look bad and win. And this is why basketball will never be as great in my mind as football. If I told a linebacker, if you tackle “this way” you will dramatically increase your tackles and heavily reduce the amount of broken tackles you give up. However, you stance will make you look like a dork. How many football players would care how they look? Seriously. Or if I told a baseball player, you'll hit .300 if you choke up on the bat a little.

So if I am basketball coach and a kid is shooting less than 70% from the line, he’s going to have to try shooting granny shots. There is no excuses for being worse than 70% from the line. Even that’s low. When will coaches and players start seeing this? Am I wrong here? Does the form of shooting matter more than actually making the bucket?

Bad idea because it would be a total DISTRACTION. You want them focused on more important parts of the game given there are only 24 hours in a day.
 

Dean Pope

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Underhand shooting would be an improvement for many players believe it or not, but it would take quite a while to master it. And yes, since it's called a "granny shot" most people don't even want to consider trying it. But the arch of the ball as it descends to the hoop literally increases the area of the hoop that the ball can go through. The opposite is true of flat, arched shots... kinda like shooting at one of those small, bent up carnival basketball hoops.

Maybe someday there will be a college program somewhere that will require their players to shoot underhand. If players eventually got the hang of it, I would imagine that a team would score up to 3-5 more points per game (assuming that enough of the players were average shooters to begin with).