Look, I hate Duke, but Grant Hill is 100% correct and anyone that backs the Fab Five in this dispute is just arguing to argue.
http://thequad.blogs.nyti...-response-to-jalen-rose/
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Grant Hill lays the smack down to the Fab Five...again....
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Look, I hate Duke, but Grant Hill is 100% correct and anyone that backs the Fab Five in this dispute is just arguing to argue.
http://thequad.blogs.nyti...-response-to-jalen-rose/
http://thequad.blogs.nyti...-response-to-jalen-rose/
Look, I hate Duke, but Grant Hill is 100% correct and anyone that backs the Fab Five in this dispute is just arguing to argue.
http://thequad.blogs.nyti...-response-to-jalen-rose/
http://thequad.blogs.nyti...-response-to-jalen-rose/
was simply commenting on how he felt as an 18 year old kid, he even admitted he was jealous of Grant Hill and his family, I did not see it as a knock on Hill whatsoever....I, actually, commend Jalen for coming out and telling the story of how he felt about Duke and Hill when he was a youngster. No need for Hill to get so defensive.
He has two National Title rings, they have ZERO.
He never lost to the Fab Five in college.
Also, if you saw Jimmy King in the documentary, I still remember him saying "I was probably the greatest player to never make it in the NBA, but I wouldn't change a thing". Really Jimmy? Wouldn't change a thing? Wouldn't have worked on developing a solid jump shot? Didn't need millions of dollars? I guess Jimmy would just rather keep it real. Real broke.
He never lost to the Fab Five in college.
Also, if you saw Jimmy King in the documentary, I still remember him saying "I was probably the greatest player to never make it in the NBA, but I wouldn't change a thing". Really Jimmy? Wouldn't change a thing? Wouldn't have worked on developing a solid jump shot? Didn't need millions of dollars? I guess Jimmy would just rather keep it real. Real broke.
If he came out and said I was just a dumb kid. Really dumb. The fact that I thought those things showed how ignorant I was. Looking at it now, I want my son to turn out like Grant Hill. I would love for my son to have a great opportunity to get an education at a premier institution like Duke.
Instead he tried to make it go away with a simple, I was jealous line? ********.
Hell I guarantee you Jimmy King feels that way about Duke players today.
Jalen knew he was wrong, that is why he apologized before the damn thing appeared on ESPN. He had his chance to make it right during the documentary, but he decided not to.
Instead he tried to make it go away with a simple, I was jealous line? ********.
Hell I guarantee you Jimmy King feels that way about Duke players today.
Jalen knew he was wrong, that is why he apologized before the damn thing appeared on ESPN. He had his chance to make it right during the documentary, but he decided not to.
but I've seen others express similar types of jealousy toward those who grew up in better circumstances, and that's the way I took Jalen's comments.
Hill is right that it's a form of stereotyping, but regardless, it's a class warfare type of thing. The guy that grew up without anything is often going to have some resentment to the guy that grew up in better circumstances, even though neither had any control over the circumstances they were born into. That happens with every race.
I don't think, at the time, that it would've been unfair to say that in the early 90s the players at Duke came from much different backgrounds than the Fab Five. It sounded to me like Jalen had class resentment, but he painted it in a racial light.
Probably not the best way to describe his resentment toward Duke. He could've just said that they despised Duke because they felt like all the Duke players came from private school, privliged backgrounds, and they didn't have to deal with the same pressures he dealt with coming up. He just had a separate resentment toward Hill and the other black players that grew up with more than he did.
Hill is right that it's a form of stereotyping, but regardless, it's a class warfare type of thing. The guy that grew up without anything is often going to have some resentment to the guy that grew up in better circumstances, even though neither had any control over the circumstances they were born into. That happens with every race.
I don't think, at the time, that it would've been unfair to say that in the early 90s the players at Duke came from much different backgrounds than the Fab Five. It sounded to me like Jalen had class resentment, but he painted it in a racial light.
Probably not the best way to describe his resentment toward Duke. He could've just said that they despised Duke because they felt like all the Duke players came from private school, privliged backgrounds, and they didn't have to deal with the same pressures he dealt with coming up. He just had a separate resentment toward Hill and the other black players that grew up with more than he did.
to admit that you were jealous of someone for the financial stability and upbringing that they had than to use the cop out "i was young and stupid".
Jalen says he was jealous of Grant because he came from a stable home, he says, "I didn't even know who my father was?"
See, you feel a little bad for Jalen now don't you? Its a smart move.
By admitting you were just a dumb kid, you don't get sympathy, you just have people agreeing that your dumb.
See, you feel a little bad for Jalen now don't you? Its a smart move.
By admitting you were just a dumb kid, you don't get sympathy, you just have people agreeing that your dumb.
it has to do with right or wrong. Jalen and Jimmy were being honest. Take it however you want that's exactly how they felt towards Duke and their players. Ask Christian Laettner to give an honest opinion of how he felt and you're going to hear some terrible ****, if he says it honestly. Nice words don't hide the true hate that the everyday world surrounds itself in. People that are poor hate people that are rich and people that are rich don't even assosciate themselves with people that are poor. Elitism has been going on since money was invented. I loved the honesty of that movie.
Hate makes the sports world go around. People naturally have developed a way to be fake to avoid confrontation, but I agree, I would bet Bobby Hurley and Christian Laettner probably would've told you that they thought the Fab Five was a bunch of street thugs, or something of that nature if they were being honest. They probably wouldn't have been honest if asked though, which makes people feel more comfortable.
I thought it was funny seeing old clips of Dickie V, Bill Walton, etc. talk about how disgraceful it was that they wore the baggy pants, black socks, listened to rap, etc., and how they played selfish etc. It was just a veiled way for them to avoid saying what they really wanted to say, "these black guys aren't playing the sport our way, and we don't like it."
It's still that way in sports to some extent. The celebration penalties, the taunting penalties, all those types of rules were put in by old guard white folks who didn't like seeing trash talk and individualism creep into their sports. Swagger is still largely punished and vilified, and I say it's still largely a racially motivated practice.
The Miami 30 for 30 was a great example of that. They are largely the reason for the celebration penalties existing on the college level, and it was all because the old guard white folk didn't like seeing young black kids from Miami playing with swagger, taunting, and celebrating while kicking their teams up and down the field. I say let them play, let them celebrate. Have at it. If you don't like it, get them on the next play. If you can't get them on the next play, then you aren't good enough. None of that affects game play between the whistles. If your coach doesn't like seeing it from his players, let him control it. It shouldn't be up to the officials.
I thought it was funny seeing old clips of Dickie V, Bill Walton, etc. talk about how disgraceful it was that they wore the baggy pants, black socks, listened to rap, etc., and how they played selfish etc. It was just a veiled way for them to avoid saying what they really wanted to say, "these black guys aren't playing the sport our way, and we don't like it."
It's still that way in sports to some extent. The celebration penalties, the taunting penalties, all those types of rules were put in by old guard white folks who didn't like seeing trash talk and individualism creep into their sports. Swagger is still largely punished and vilified, and I say it's still largely a racially motivated practice.
The Miami 30 for 30 was a great example of that. They are largely the reason for the celebration penalties existing on the college level, and it was all because the old guard white folk didn't like seeing young black kids from Miami playing with swagger, taunting, and celebrating while kicking their teams up and down the field. I say let them play, let them celebrate. Have at it. If you don't like it, get them on the next play. If you can't get them on the next play, then you aren't good enough. None of that affects game play between the whistles. If your coach doesn't like seeing it from his players, let him control it. It shouldn't be up to the officials.
a virtue even greater: HONOR
ANYBODY can debase themselves and their vanquished foe by talking smack and celebrating. Trying to make someone feel worse after defeating them doesn't change the score.
Conductingyourself with honor allows you to revel invictory while notheaping unwarranted embarrassment upon your conquered foe.
ANYBODY can debase themselves and their vanquished foe by talking smack and celebrating. Trying to make someone feel worse after defeating them doesn't change the score.
Conductingyourself with honor allows you to revel invictory while notheaping unwarranted embarrassment upon your conquered foe.
I don't think Jalen Rose was disrespecting Grant Hill. He said he thought they were soft,UncleTom's, bitches BEFORE they played them. And then after they played he had a new sense of respect for them. I think Jalen Rose was talking more about the perception of Duke at that point more so than what he though and now thinks about them.<div>
</div><div>Grant Hillprobablyhurt himself typing that anyway.</div>
</div><div>Grant Hillprobablyhurt himself typing that anyway.</div>
I'm kinda confused by all this. Did Jalen not say that "Duke came out and played like champions." Adding something like that's because that's what they were. Even said they were better than them?
I mean... did he not basically say they got their **** handed to them?
I mean... did he not basically say they got their **** handed to them?
Watch the video here. He won't back off the comments.
What he said, which is something he still agrees with today is that Duke only recruited academy ball players, and though that may be true, what he then does is say that if you are a black ball player that ends up at Duke you are an Uncle Tom. How can you be on that side?
How can you agree with a premise that any black player that goes to Duke is an Uncle Tom?
I didn't think it was possible to make Skip Bayless look like the smartest man in the room, but Jalen Rose and Jimmy King just did. Just watch the video on this page.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6224395
What he said, which is something he still agrees with today is that Duke only recruited academy ball players, and though that may be true, what he then does is say that if you are a black ball player that ends up at Duke you are an Uncle Tom. How can you be on that side?
How can you agree with a premise that any black player that goes to Duke is an Uncle Tom?
I didn't think it was possible to make Skip Bayless look like the smartest man in the room, but Jalen Rose and Jimmy King just did. Just watch the video on this page.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6224395
does he say that he still thinks black players that go to Duke are Uncle Toms? Watching the documentary I took that as he thought that back then and then changed his opinion after he played them.
That is the problem. He basically said that if you are an African American and go to Duke, you are an Uncle Tom.
He said in the video I just posted, that he told them that when they played.
Flip the script for a second. Do you think for a second if a white player was playing at JSU or Alcorn and they played Notre Dame and Ben Hansborough was calling the white player a N_____ lover and a Wanna Be, and that he sold out on his race, that this would be OK?
Do you think Hansborough would be able to play a pick up game for the rest of his life he made those comments in a documentary? Of course not.
He said in the video I just posted, that he told them that when they played.
Flip the script for a second. Do you think for a second if a white player was playing at JSU or Alcorn and they played Notre Dame and Ben Hansborough was calling the white player a N_____ lover and a Wanna Be, and that he sold out on his race, that this would be OK?
Do you think Hansborough would be able to play a pick up game for the rest of his life he made those comments in a documentary? Of course not.
But he says that he understands why they go there. He truly believes that Duke only recruited essentially black academy players. What Bayliss pressed him on that neither Rose or King responded to was why this would make someone an Uncle Tom.
Their only response was, "I didn't see Coach K recruiting in Detroit".
Bottom line is that Rose didn't say, "I did think this when I was younger, but now that Im older I realize that I was simply stereotyping black players that played at Duke". What he said was that I don't think Coach K would have recruited me today, he would recruit my kids now.
Their only response was, "I didn't see Coach K recruiting in Detroit".
Bottom line is that Rose didn't say, "I did think this when I was younger, but now that Im older I realize that I was simply stereotyping black players that played at Duke". What he said was that I don't think Coach K would have recruited me today, he would recruit my kids now.
"I can't believe he just did that, and if we don't kick their *** after him doing that, we don't deserve to win"
Then again, I like the Miami teams in the 90s. If we wanted to stop McPhee from landsharking on our own field, we could have done something about it. We didn't.
I thought it was an awesome move. If we happen to beat MSU in Starkville next year and our team does the dog pound rock in the endzone, I will think that is awesome too.
Then again, I like the Miami teams in the 90s. If we wanted to stop McPhee from landsharking on our own field, we could have done something about it. We didn't.
I thought it was an awesome move. If we happen to beat MSU in Starkville next year and our team does the dog pound rock in the endzone, I will think that is awesome too.
that Duke isn't chock full of overly entitled, spoiled rich douchebags? Same could be said for Vandy, Stanford or any other school named after a wealthy industrialist/robber-baron. So Jalen Rose was jealous. That isn't so bad, he just happened to vocalize it in perhaps the most racially caustic manner possible. Not because of any sort of strange, racist side of him, but because he isapparentlydumb. And yet in spite of this, he was gladly accepted into Michigan, an equally smug school who likes to think they are above such antics.
is the same reason I, one of the whitest persons in the entire world, also hate Duke. No one on this board, short of maybe DawgAtAuburn with his OleBlue/Rick Pitino esque fascination with everything Duke, would say that the main premise of Rose's comments were invalid. Take out the "Uncle Tom" comment and you basically have what every non Duke fan in the world already knows, that Duke only goes afterprivilegedkids. No one that graduates from Coahoma County High School for example, is going to be playing basketball for Duke no matter how good they are.<div>
</div><div>It's what they do and it's how they operate. It's why teams (and the teams' fans) want to beat them so badly every single year.</div>
</div><div>It's what they do and it's how they operate. It's why teams (and the teams' fans) want to beat them so badly every single year.</div>
as far as shaping the culture of America. I would love to see a 30 for 30 on that episode. It would be epic.
but I wonder if it's illegal to exclude kids from your University based on how much money they grew up around or where they lived? If a kid has the grades and everything else it takes to be accepted into Duke are they allowed to reject the kid cause his parents have no money? This is the question Jalen should be asking maybe. Why was Juwan Howard not recruited by Duke? He's the one that convinced Jimmy King and Ray Jackson to join him. Then Webber and Rose came together. Is it possible looking back on it Jalen wanted the 5 of them to go to Duke and is bitter to this day that they were not asked (save Webber) cause of their upbringing?
...if you were white, born between 1977 and 1982 (approx), and you liked basketball at all then you liked Duke. Why? Because just when you were getting to the age where you actually followed sports, they had two GREAT white players in Laettner & Hurley and won back-to-back titles. It just made sense to emulate those guys.<div>
</div><div>The real reason people hate Duke is because Duke has the self-control to not cater to 17-tards like Renardo Sidney. There are douche's everywhere but if you can find a kid at Duke (athlete or not) that acts more entitled than the fat *** that runs round the Hump wearing No. 1 I'd be impressed.</div><div>
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</div><div>The real reason people hate Duke is because Duke has the self-control to not cater to 17-tards like Renardo Sidney. There are douche's everywhere but if you can find a kid at Duke (athlete or not) that acts more entitled than the fat *** that runs round the Hump wearing No. 1 I'd be impressed.</div><div>
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However Coach K recruits, you have to appreciate the way his teams play. I don't think you would hear of Duke players getting into a fist fight in the stands.
Fact is....Jalen and every black thug took an *** whoopin with this writing.
Fact is pressure in the black community is heating up. Its no longer cool to have excuses. More and more Grant Hills are surfacing and soon the stigma will be with the youth that sit around with their baggy pants and blame their circumstances on things that happened 200 years ago. Those times of blaming other people are quickly fading. Rose just picked the uncool side because of habit. Their are no more excuses. Grant Hill just laid the new law down. Gittiup!
Fact is pressure in the black community is heating up. Its no longer cool to have excuses. More and more Grant Hills are surfacing and soon the stigma will be with the youth that sit around with their baggy pants and blame their circumstances on things that happened 200 years ago. Those times of blaming other people are quickly fading. Rose just picked the uncool side because of habit. Their are no more excuses. Grant Hill just laid the new law down. Gittiup!
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