Graves is money

[boatsandhoes]

Dan baileyesque

 

[tenureplan]

graves is the smallest non-midget in the world

nm

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

That dude is tiny.

 

[fishwater99]

Could have beaten LSU.

 

[boatsandhoes]

Oops. jinxed him.

 

[Shamoan]

wrong. we still needed about 20 seconds to win that game. look elsewhere for those points. graves would be short if not short and wide at this point in his career, but consider me a fan...

 

[LawDawg97]

You don't know that for a fact

wrong. we still needed about 20 seconds to win that game. look elsewhere for those points. graves would be short if not short and wide at this point in his career, but consider me a fan...

All we know for a fact is our staff 17ed up and didn't get him the chance. We didn't need 20 seconds. We needed Dak to run left, middle of the field, call TO and even if he doesn't gain anything its a 46 yarder. Graves drilled a 44 yarder that would've been good from 54 in his next try against Auburn 2 weeks later. So 17 that "would be short" declaration.

 

[Shamoan]

i do know in a moderately similar circumstance of distance that graves was considerably short and wide. that is fact. dak didnt have much success running vs lsu, projecting yards he might have gotten had he taken off is equally as presumptuous. graves doesnt have the leg just yet and tonight proved it. wide, yes...short, yes...lsu would still have been a disappointment.

 

[patdog]

I agree. I like Graves a lot from 42 yards in. Not so much any further out. I thought it was a bad decision by Dan to have him try that FG, especially in those conditions.

 

[LawDawg97]

I understand that a 46 yarder is not automatic.

i do know in a moderately similar circumstance of distance that graves was considerably short and wide. that is fact. dak didnt have much success running vs lsu, projecting yards he might have gotten had he taken off is equally as presumptuous. graves doesnt have the leg just yet and tonight proved it. wide, yes...short, yes...lsu would still have been a disappointment.

But I give Graves at least 50% from 46. What I don't understand is you 100% saying it would have been missed (yes he missed one kick on wet turf last night). I'm simply upset our coaches put us back 5 yards and never gave him the chance.

Look at the 43 yarder against LSU at the 1:09 mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdXgnNfEJS0

And the 44 yarder against AU at the 1:33 mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cITaXlnmj10

Both made from different hash marks. Looks like plenty of leg to me at that point in the season to try it from 2 to 3 yards further if we don't get the delay of game.

 

[dawgstudent]

I would let Graves kick a 50 no problem. I do agree last night was tough conditions. Bob Carskadon said last night Graves was kicking 55 yarders in pregame.

 

[Shamoan]

obviously, nobody can say definitively one way or another, but that far out, kicking angles change and flatten out. most experienced college kickers would miss a 47 - 52 yarder and i dont think its any different for our then inexperienced kicker. mullen obviously didnt have confidence in him at that distance either. i concede that he could have hit it and there is now way to be sure, but i would personally put it at less than a 10% chance. maybe im wrong, but i havent seen anything that would make me think otherwise. he is a good kicker, but there are many factors in play that far out. last night was terrible kicking conditions, but he was well short and wide which gives me a little more confidence in my statement...still, im quite skeptical, but he looks to be a good kicker for the future. to your point, its not out of the realm of possibility he hits it i just think its far more likely than not that he misses.

 

[thekimmer]

That was a cluster all the way around.......

wrong. we still needed about 20 seconds to win that game. look elsewhere for those points. graves would be short if not short and wide at this point in his career, but consider me a fan...

Piss poor time management that cost us 5 critical yards and position in the center of the field. We then compounded the mistake by trotting out a guy who couldn't kick it through the gateway arch. Graves might not have made it either but from what I have seen of him he had a far better chance than bell.

Everybody makes mistakes mind you and Mullen has done far more good for us but that flub was a doozey that still smarts.

 

[FlotownDawg]

I wouldn't judge Graves by that one kick last night

It was on a wet field, with a wet ball. Also, it looked like we didn't decide to kick until the play clock was running down, and we kind of had to rush them out there. Kickers are creatures of habit and don't like to be rushed and not get to have their pre-kick preparation. That might've affected Graves too. I definitely think he has the leg to make from 50 (or 52) in dry conditions when he's not rushing out there trying to get the kick off before the play clock expires. At least he has a better shot than Bell.