I believe he has impulse control issues exacerbated when he gets frustrated. The meltdown on the bench diagnosed itself. It takes weeks/months of therapy, meditation, etc. to gain control. One week isn't nearly long enough for him to address the root issue. I think we saw that a couple of times in yesterday's game, and unfortunately will see it again.
Grayson at it again...according to SB Nation
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Not a therapist, but how do you know when someone totally has their control over the situation? As for the meltdown on the bench, I guess there's a lot of coaches and other players that need therapy including myself.
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So I understand this correctly, you are not ok with the punishment of one week. That is your opinion and you're entitled to it. You think he should have been punished for 2-3 games, however than you come back and state that this is a mental/impulse issue that will keep on happening and he needs professional help that would require weeks if not months of therapy. Also, if therapy is what you're suggesting needs to happen, than we are no longer talking about punishment of a basketball player. We are now talking about taking a young man with issues, removing him from the team and family all together. That wouldn't be a punishment any longer it would be to get professional help. These are two completely different things that you're lumping into one to try and make your argument seem more credible but in reality it just makes it look petty.
I've known and played basketball with people that have on court behavior a hellva lot worse than Grayson Allen, and they were pretty damn normal off the court. Competitiveness, coupled with immaturity is much more likely Grayson's problem than a mental health problem.
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Grayson by far has been the most discussed player ever on this board. At one point we just need to lock it down. We keep repeating our opinions over and over again when there's other things about Duke basketball we can discuss and include Grayson but not all about Grayson. One thing we can talk about is what a great opportunity that Bolden, Jeter, Javin or even Vrank have to step it up and prove why they are a Blue Devil. I understand that a couple of them are fighting injuries themselves but if each one of them can come in and give everything they can perhaps it will help us get through until Amile returns and who knows one of them may become a star. We as a fan base need to be positive and supportive. I've been posting for close to 11 years now and don't ever remember a year where were for a lack of a better word so negative about the way things are going. We have added many new posters during this time and also lost some. One of the ones who was a regular told me one of the reasons he has stopped is because of the negative turn by the board. I told him he could make it better by posting and give some of his years wisdom as a Duke fan but that's his choice and he can come back any time he wishes. This is just my opinion only of course but it's the way I feel. OFC
Yeah, when that ball starts bouncing up and down it brings out the worse in some people, Sky.
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First of all it was a suspension of TWO WEEKS, not ONE. Grayson missed one game true, but had TWO WEEKS to think about it.Lets not forget some other very important variables:
1/Lost his captain status(rescuing your team to help win a natty as frosh, to losing capt status as junior.) Pretty humbling...
2/Endured negative chants of hostile crowd in Blacksburg.Think that was fun???
3/Cited by K as factor in loss because of his behavior thus triggering suspension and absence...
4/Consistently embarrassed by every form of media possible...
5/The HOF coach who suspended GA has only worked w/all sorts of athletes and personalities about a half century....I will defer to him....
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1/Lost his captain status(rescuing your team to help win a natty as frosh, to losing capt status as junior.) Pretty humbling...
2/Endured negative chants of hostile crowd in Blacksburg.Think that was fun???
3/Cited by K as factor in loss because of his behavior thus triggering suspension and absence...
4/Consistently embarrassed by every form of media possible...
5/The HOF coach who suspended GA has only worked w/all sorts of athletes and personalities about a half century....I will defer to him....
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Good post, Hart. There was/and is a lot more punishment involved than just a 1 game suspension. The demonizing of him by ESPN, and almost every media enterprise have whipped up such hatred for the kid that it's a feeding frenzy.
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I'll say I'm fine with the punishment but let's be honest, the indefinite suspension was next to nothing. One of the two weeks they were away for Christmas. He also practiced the entire time and missed one game. With that said to me, losing the captaincy is a huge deal and worse than missing 5 games.
That about sums it up.
Furthermore this a thread title that should have never been allowed.
Dino Gaudio on ESPN surprised me tonight when he said this was stupid that it was even being talked about, it was a non issue, not a trip, Grayson needed to quit being picked on, and there were way bigger things going on in sports to talk about. I couldnt believe what I heard, he gets props.
Well said. And regardless of the timeframe, it wasn't going to be enough for most people. Besides, as you somewhat alluded to, losing his captaincy wasn't a slap on the wrist. Yes, it's just a word and title, but it means something to be a captain at Duke, at UNC, at UK.....you get my point.
Grayson's love for Duke is genuine and not approached by any single one of us on this board. Again, I'm not trying to diminish what he did....it was bad, but folks who don't believe he served any kind of punishment are blind. I've seen professionals drag him through the coals the last two weeks, and in some respects, rightfully so....but he's still a human being. He's endured a lot.
I too have played with some seriously dirty players on the court, but nothin was wrong with them, just what they did on the court.
Petty? Do you mean inconsistent? Grayson deserves a penalty for multiple tripping incidents, and I don't think 1 game was enough, although losing the captaincy is a big deal to him if not the general public. But more important to me is that Grayson get professional help to understand why he does these things. That's happening now, almost certainly, as one of the behind-the-scene things that K has alluded to, and while some on here seem to think that therapy is a bad thing, it's not. But it takes time to work. For Grayson's sake as well as the team's, I hope we don't get another incident.
I don't think therapy is a bad thing, I just don't agree with your diagnosis. Or anyone else who wants to label him as anything, but a 20 year old kid that reacted the wrong why in the heat of a couple basketball games. I could be completely wrong, but I just don't see him having mental health issues.
We genuinely know zero details of anything going on in his life outside of what we see on the basketball court. A melt down like that could of been only 50% basketball related for all we know. Attempting to draw definitive conclusions on this whole thing is completely reckless!
The last person anyone wants to have a discussion about this with is you, and everything you know to be true. Go back to your board, with people that share your opinion, and enjoy the smear campaign! You don't need to act as if you are attempting to find answers, because it is irrelevant! You have your mind made up!
Fair enough.
Moving beyond Grayson...I really hope the staff comes up with a D that fits the current team. Reminds me of early Jan 2015, that season ended ok, thank God we won so Tyus f'ing up our PG position for 2 years by going Pro came with a banner at least.
Done and so is this thread. Everyone has made their points and their minds up. No one is changing them.
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