Great article by Whitlock about the ND death...
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if you're going to fire someone over fibbing on a resume, how do you not fire someone for the decision that cost someone his life?
Do the camera crews typically report to the Head Coaches? If I were to guess, the camera crews do their own thing. They show up to practice, tape it, edit, and hand it over to the coaching staff when they are done. If there is any figure head that this responsibility rolls up to, it's likely the AD. I'm assuming the AD has more control over film operations than the HC does. I have no idea if that's even close to the truth though. Maybe an SPS expert can fill us in on that?
Regardless of who should take the most blame form this, it's pretty sad that out of the hundreds of people that were around, not one of them spoke up about the danger that guy was in. The safety of a 50 foot lift in 50 mph is a common sense issue - not a technical one. There should have been dozens of people around able to recognize what was about to happen.
Regardless of who should take the most blame form this, it's pretty sad that out of the hundreds of people that were around, not one of them spoke up about the danger that guy was in. The safety of a 50 foot lift in 50 mph is a common sense issue - not a technical one. There should have been dozens of people around able to recognize what was about to happen.
But at most programs (including MSU) the coaches video crew works directly with the coaching staff. They are employed by the athletic department, but film whatever is requested by the coaching staff.
I can say from experience that film study takes more time out of a coaches day than anything else. It's their life. All of their scouting is tied directly to video. It their #1 teaching tool. (Opponent scout, self scout, etc.) I don't know many coaches that would have handled the situation much differently than they did at ND, and that's a shame. Coaches at the Division 1 level are constantly trying to get ahead and stay as prepared as possible, so if you take away 30 minutes of film (roughly 6 drills of practice) they feel like they can't do their job and it pisses them off.
I can say from experience that film study takes more time out of a coaches day than anything else. It's their life. All of their scouting is tied directly to video. It their #1 teaching tool. (Opponent scout, self scout, etc.) I don't know many coaches that would have handled the situation much differently than they did at ND, and that's a shame. Coaches at the Division 1 level are constantly trying to get ahead and stay as prepared as possible, so if you take away 30 minutes of film (roughly 6 drills of practice) they feel like they can't do their job and it pisses them off.
It better not have been the student, there's no way he was qualified. hell, no one qualified would have used it in those conditions. OSHA will hammer them on that one if needed.
as i said before, the football coach isn't a construction foreman. deciding when it is or is not safe to operate a scissor lift is not anywhere near his expertise or experience. someone in the administration f'd up.
sorry if Germans from the link, i can't open it.
as i said before, the football coach isn't a construction foreman. deciding when it is or is not safe to operate a scissor lift is not anywhere near his expertise or experience. someone in the administration f'd up.
sorry if Germans from the link, i can't open it.
The control handle on lifts like that stay with the platform, its not like he got on the platform and somone sent him up there and wouldn't bring him down.
As far as him being properly trained to use the lift, I'm sure he was, I can't believe ND would be that negligent. To me it seems like he went up there, it got windy, he tweeted how "terrifying" it was, probably all the while not thinking anything serious would happen, then something serious did happen. </p>
As far as him being properly trained to use the lift, I'm sure he was, I can't believe ND would be that negligent. To me it seems like he went up there, it got windy, he tweeted how "terrifying" it was, probably all the while not thinking anything serious would happen, then something serious did happen. </p>
what if the extent of the HC's involvement is only voicing preferences as to what he wants filmed and where he wants it filmed from? I doubt many HCs are competent with the nuts and bolts of filming and/or lifts. They probably leave it up to a group of people that are presumably competent at filming and who are experienced in using that type of equipment.
Now, if Kelly himself instructed that crew to film as they normally do despite the risks present with the high winds because he couldn't go without the tape, then it absolutely goes on Kelly.
I'm sure more details will be made available over the coming weeks...
Now, if Kelly himself instructed that crew to film as they normally do despite the risks present with the high winds because he couldn't go without the tape, then it absolutely goes on Kelly.
I'm sure more details will be made available over the coming weeks...
I was reading that it may have been impossible for the lift to retract in that kind of wind. Basically, once he got up there in the wind, he was up there. But no one knows for sure at this juncture. The investigation will probably be eye-opening.
On theses lifts there is a control box on the platform and on the side of the lift. You can control all aspects of the lift(driving, height of the lift, and power) all from the platform and you can control the exact same thing from the ground minus the driving aspect. On the box on the ground there is a key switch where you can select which box has power...so essentially if you select the control box on the ground, the box on the platform will not work. So if someone wanted the kid to get stay up there against his will it is possible.zerocooldog said:
Also here is an article that does a pretty good job explaining what these filmers deal with.
http://espn.go.com/ncf/blog/_/name/mcgee_ryan/id/5740321/up-wind
and there has yet to be one that doesn't have rules and a plan to protect the film guys in wind. Ole Miss even takes them off towers if the wind goes over 25 mph and they have permanent towers which are very unlikely to fall in any speed wind. There was a quote from an Oklahoma coach that was in the paper the day <span style="font-weight: bold;">before</span> this accident where he moved practice indoors because the wind was over 25 mph and he wanted to protect the film crew. They had several coaches who use these scissor lifts who said they make sure the film crew has training on how to use them, they carry a hand-held wind meter because ground wind and wind at 40ft can be different, they are instructed to drop it to 20ft if the wind gets over 10mph and to come down at 25mph, and most importantly they make sure the film crew knows that if they EVER feel uncomfortable they need to get down.hullabaloodog said:
Just like a coach is responsible for creating an atmosphere of compliance they are responsible for creating an atmosphere of safety. The kid was obviously scared and due to the atmosphere Kelly created he didn't feel like he could come down. They should fire him.
