Gretna/Martinsville @ St. River

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This should be a good scrimmage.

Not know format, but I hope they don't run those "10 play deals" then other team gets ball. I hope it's more like actual game conditions.i.e. each team has 4 downs to get a first down or score.
 

Gunz41!

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This should be a good scrimmage.

Not know format, but I hope they don't run those "10 play deals" then other team gets ball. I hope it's more like actual game conditions.i.e. each team has 4 downs to get a first down or score.

You do know why there are different formats dont you?
 

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Scrimmages certainly aren't for the fans. It is for these teams to get better. Some teams need for the scrimmage to have set rules like 10 plays. A team shouldn't be punished in a scrimmage because they aren't as good as the opposition. If Team A has 10 plays and turns the ball over 5 times in those 10 plays, they aren't going to get better by just giving the ball over to Team B
 

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Heard from a reliable source they are going to do the 10 play deal thru the first part of the scrimmage then at the end each team will play a quarter of "regular" football against each other
 

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In the 10 play deals, SR out scored Gretna 7-0. In the 1 quarter of game conditions SR won 14-0.

Gretna and Martinsville played to 0-0 tie in both 10 play deal and game conditions.

Unofficially Gretna ran ball 34 times for 151 yards. Passed 12 times, completing 4. for 111 yards.
 

thelittleman46

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HR, you must be getting up there in years man, your details are off! SR scored twice with the starters during the 10 play series and won 14-0 when they went to game-like situations. So the total score out of close to a half of football was 28-0. I know you love the passing game so I'm sure you were happy with the two deep completions Gretna had despite being able to cross the goal line. Hey, maybe those deep threats will help that run game out a little!! But I can tell you this, the little man loves that downhill off-tackle run game by the dirty birds in Moneta. It just does something to a man down deep inside when he knows he can run off-tackle over and over and over again...

Doesn't look like Ol' Mickey is helping that Gretna defense out at all though, maybe he can bring back some of the old recruits from the Amherst days!

Martinsville has some good talent and a good new young head coach, look for good things in the future from the former Giles single winger in Henry County.

Good luck to all three teams this season, looks like SR could be a contender again...

#why?
 

hawksmark1

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Let's pump the brakes here... the single wing offense is hard to stop after a week of preparation let alone the first scrimmage of the year especially with how well staunton river runs it so hats off to them and martinsville didn't exactly shut them down either got smash mouthed just as bad...Gretna appears to actually have more of a coaching staff this year which should be a huge help... still a young team with good skill still finding their way... need to be more disciplined and physical at times especially in the trenches.... should be a year of improvement for the Hawks... we will see. St River looks to be the real deal again this year good luck to those guys and to martinsville as well
 
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thelittleman46

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Not according to HR's logic. The single wing should be easy to stop since "you can't throw" out of that formation.
And in regards to a coaching staff, Xs and Os don't win ball games, the kids on the field have to make the plays.

#why?
 

hawksmark1

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The bigger and more experienced the staff def gives the kids a better chance to execute on the field if they are being taught well.... and your right then it's up to the kids to do so.... your logic appeared to be Gretna gave up 4 touchdowns to a state runner up in the first scrimmage of the year so they are gonna get stomped the entire season and that could be a possibility but hopefully not... Good luck to you and your golden eagles again this year.
 

thelittleman46

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Nah, just trying to help out HR, he seems to be out to pasture at times.

And I'd say I'm more pro-hardnosed/physical football than a SR fan.

I'll probably make a few trips up to Giles to see the Spartans run over top of some folks this fall too.

#why?
 

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Not according to HR's logic. The single wing should be easy to stop since "you can't throw" out of that formation.
And in regards to a coaching staff, Xs and Os don't win ball games, the kids on the field have to make the plays.

#why?

The single wing is very difficult to deal with because of what it does for a defense, and I am talking about the team that run's the single wing (their defense). It is definitely a run oriented offense and when executed well, greatly decreases possessions offensively for the opposing team. In my opinion, the single wing would be much harder to install because it's not something a high school team can learn in one season to perfection. It takes years of installment in the little leagues or at least at the 7th grade level to cut down on the turnovers. It's a run oriented offense, but still in theory, a riskier-higher turnover risk offense. I think it's a wash with a solid non wing formation (single wing or wing T) running offense. Giles is a good example and had success with it, but what makes it tough is win a single wing football team has an incredible defense to go with it. Single wing football teams don't win state titles often by outscoring people in 50-47 contests, they win titles by having the single wing that gives them ball control and few possessions for the opponent, and when that single wing team has that special year in which their defense is outstanding, you get a state title contender.

The downside....like any run oriented offense, if a team comes out and gets a big early lead like 14-0 or 17-0, it's often trouble to come from behind. Obviously, that's the case with any team down 14-0, but with a run oriented offense that actually does not offer the best or easiest formations to pass out of, playing from far behind becomes even tougher.

There is absolutely no way to tell or measure this and this is purely my opinion. For teams that win state titles that run the single wing, for example, Giles having success since 1980ish with their first state title, or for any team in the country that has won a state title with it since 1980, I feel that team would have still made a very, very deep in the playoffs and state title contender, even if they were to have ran another type of run oriented offense and not the single wing. Why? Blocking is still blocking, and with the single wing or any run oriented offense, you have to be awesome at run blocking to win a title. Equally or even more important, you can bet that of all those teams in the US that have won a state title since 1980ish, the absolute overwhelming majority of those programs can point to some of the best defenses in those programs histories on the years they won titles. Again, no way to prove this and this is only my opinion and anecdotal. Even with Appo the last 2 years, as good as their O was, their D was also lights out and right there with the O.

I do think the following is the case though.....a team that runs the single wing that has a very, very solid defense is major trouble for opponents at a level even more trouble for a team that doesn't run the singe wing, yet has an equally very solid defense.
 

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#why?
 

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Single wing is better than wing t. I hate any offense that puts QB under center. But best offense is still the Spread. A spread team that can throw ball, with a good defense , is best team.

More football games are lost trying to run ball and can't than any other reason, (that and a bad defense.)
 

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HR6, I hear ya. I like your posts and kindness towards others over the years. Things go in trends and fads. In 1975 or even 1985 and up to even 1995, when the wide open offenses weren't as popular and run oriented offenses were, we would hear similar statements..."teams lose because they try to pass to much." Usually, teams that win titles no matter what era have good offenses and defenses and the players on both sides are good enough to be successful in multiple offenses and vice versa with defenses. Usually, a solid coach was at the helm.

My favorite offense is the spread with heavy run orientation utilyzing the QB read on the defensive end. The formation is easy for passing due to WRs already spread out and the blocking scheme is easier for the lineman to pass block in this formation, but it is a run first offense, yet wide open. RichRods offenses at Glenville St perfected this and he took it to Tulane and Clemson as OC, then at WVU in which their offenses were wide open, yet they had one of the highest run to pass ratios of any Div1 school in the country making it still conservative in approach and misdirectional. A team can actually be two dimentional, misdirectional, and wide open in a spread offense that heavily leans on the QB read option, yet all under the umbrella of conservatism with a high run to pass ratio.. WVUs offenses in the mud 2000s were an example of this.
 
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That is true. It's easier to run out of spread, than any other offense. Then when you pass, you catch defense sleepin out of position