Guilliams 2A Rankings Week 5

[intrinsicreward]

I respect the Guilliams rankings but something seems really amiss this week..

Richlands and Buckingham, two teams that have already lost a game are 1-2 in the rankings and Richlands is way up on points. The teams that beat them (Union/Appomattox) are still undefeated yet are ranked quite a bit lower on points. As far as I can tell neither Richlands/Buckingham have a really good victory over an elite team to compensate for their one loss. Am I missing something?

 

[intrinsicreward]

I respect the Guilliams rankings but something seems really amiss this week..

Richlands and Buckingham, two teams that have already lost a game are 1-2 in the rankings and Richlands is way up on points. The teams that beat them (Union/Appomattox) are still undefeated yet are ranked quite a bit lower on points. As far as I can tell neither Richlands/Buckingham have a really good victory over an elite team to compensate for their one loss. Am I missing something?

Head to head victories should be a major part of the equation in any team ranking.

 

[RedPrideNation_RollPride]

He explained somewhere on here that his ratings/rankings take into account many factors. In my opinion his is better than any of the other polls I have seen. VHSL-reference is usually decent too but they disagree from time to time.

 

[intrinsicreward]

I also like his rankings and generally find them to be pretty accurate. I appreciate the work he does. After week 2 the rankings were all over the place and he said it would take a few weeks to get enough data to make good rankings. Now we are in week 5 and they seem even crazier to me in the top 6 spots. Giles has beaten two 3A teams, is undefeated but not anywhere near Richlands in the Guilliam points. What has Richlands done to be so high other than score alot of offensive points?

Was hoping Guilliams or someone smarter than me can explain why. Maybe I am just missing something I haven't considered. I'm always wanting to learn and willing to listen. Also I am not a fan of any of these four teams at the top.

 

[BCKnights]

Gilliam's rankings aren't no more important than yours. VSHL power points and seeding is all that counts. In 2010 Buckingham went 10-0 and had to travel to an 8-2 Gretna team who lost to Appomattox who we beat. We were ranked higher in other polls but the power points were all that mattered.

 

[intrinsicreward]

Gilliam's rankings aren't no more important than yours. VSHL power points and seeding is all that counts. In 2010 Buckingham went 10-0 and had to travel to an 8-2 Gretna team who lost to Appomattox who we beat. We were ranked higher in other polls but the power points were all that mattered.

I agree BC. All that matters is the power points for sure for the playoffs. All of the other is just fun. It doesn't bother me at all that Buckingham is at #2 in this. I am a math geek and just interested in the Guilliams equation and the math side of the prediction. Richlands may very well meet Buckingham in the finals and Guilliams may be right on. I'm trying to get some insight on why those two teams are 1-2 right now.

 

[BCKnights]

I understand what u saying man. I don't have neither one ahead of Appomattox though our game with them were a matter of inches. Same with Union and Richlands. The good is in about 6 weeks 32 teams will sort it all out.

 

[BCKnights]

Talking about an explanation... Explain Gate City ranked 8 and is 0-5.

 

[RichlandsRyan]

Talking about an explanation... Explain Gate City ranked 8 and is 0-5.

Hardest schedule in AA, IMO. That's a large part of it.

 

[intrinsicreward]

Hardest schedule in AA, IMO. That's a large part of it.

Yeah Ryan, but 0-5 and ranked 8 in all of 2A. That's into the quarterfinals if the prediction holds. Who have they been playing? the Patriots?

 

[intrinsicreward]

I understand what u saying man. I don't have neither one ahead of Appomattox though our game with them were a matter of inches. Same with Union and Richlands. The good is in about 6 weeks 32 teams will sort it all out.

I agree. Based on quality wins, schedule, PF/PA and other factors, looks like Appomattox should be 1 for sure. That is the team I wouldn't want to play in the west until the finals.

 

[RichlandsRyan]

Yeah Ryan, but 0-5 and ranked 8 in all of 2A. That's into the quarterfinals if the prediction holds. Who have they been playing? the Patriots?

Their first 5 opponents have a record of 21-3. And one of those loses came from having Richlands and Union on the schedule and Richlands/Union already happened.

I'm not sure a team in 2A can say the teams they've lost to have a combined record of 21-3 other than GC.

Union 5-0
Bluefield, WV 5-0
Abingdon 4-0
Richlands 4-1
Sullivan South, TN 3-2 (both of their losses are to huge Tennessee teams)

 

[singlewinger92]

I agree with intrinsicreward on this. I don't care strength of schedule. A team that is 0-5 does not even belong in a top 10, period. No, I also don't think Giles or Glenver should be in top three at this point because neither are playing to their potential as of yet. I think it's funny how everyone thinks just because u play Bluefield your strength of schedule is amazing. I have seen JV teams this year that score on Bluefields defense.

 

[stormwatcher]

I agree with intrinsicreward on this. I don't care strength of schedule. A team that is 0-5 does not even belong in a top 10, period. No, I also don't think Giles or Glenver should be in top three at this point because neither are playing to their potential as of yet. I think it's funny how everyone thinks just because u play Bluefield your strength of schedule is amazing. I have seen JV teams this year that score on Bluefields defense.

I don't feel the same way you do. I appreciate rankings that approximate the true relative strength of a team rather than elevating teams that have an inflated win-loss record due to the weakness of their schedule. You may not like the fact an 0-5 team is ranked in the top ten, but that doesn't mean that they're not one of the top ten teams in the division.

Start naming all the 2A teams that you know would defeat Gate City on a neutral field.....

 

[intrinsicreward]

"Start naming all the 2A teams that you know would defeat Gate City on a neutral field....."

Storm..To start with I would give both James River and Buffalo Gap a good shot at beating GC. South Sullivan/Bluefield are ranked 4405/3145 on maxpreps which doesn't make Gates losses there "quality losses." James River is rated higher than South Sullivan on Maxpreps at 3914.

 

[singlewinger92]

Storm I also agree with u that strength of schedule does matter but u have to win some of those games.

 

[stormwatcher]

While I believe Gate City could be a top ten team, let me clarify what I was saying to say earlier.

I personally prefer rankings that actually assess teams based on the actual strength of the team rather than the team's record. That being said, I think it's a little early to be relying on Gilliam's ratings to achieve accuracy in that regard. By the end of the year he should be pretty close....

.....and by then I expect Gate City to have a few more wins.......

 

[lovethisgame78]

I agree an 0-5 team should not be in the mix. But just to mention Bluefield would be off-base. I believe 5-0 Bluefield may be the weakest team theyve played this year. They definately dont seem as strong as last year. Gate City has been in all those games except the Richlands game and are probably 3 plays away from being 3-2 against that tough schedule. But if they can win out, (their second half of schedule gets a bit easier) and make the playoffs i wouldnt want to face them.

I would have it like this:

1. Appomattox
2. Union

The top two are easy for me. And in no specific order i would have Giles, Richlands, Glenvar, and Buckingham rounding out the top 6.

I know Richlands and Buckingham both have 1 loss but it was to the top two teams and were very close. Thats why i would have them in the mix with the remaining spots.

I believe the West champion will be one of these six teams.