Guilty until proven innocent?

[tenureplan]

Obvious reaction from the TN stuff...


http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/...-sudden-exit-divides-school.html?intcmp=hpbt4


Not much info yet, but it sort of makes me scared to send my kids to college.

 

[Crazy Cotton]

If hes' expelled then there's already been a process

And given that it's resulted in his expulsion, he's almost surely exhausted his various appeals at the school level. I kind of doubt his lawyers try and do anything about this other than keep it from becoming public knowledge. This would be the same process that J Winston went through at Florida state, (found him innocent). These boards tend to be slanted towards protecting the accused, so the fact that he was expelled tells me they had the goods. If he want's, he's free to make it all pubic, but obviously he isn't doing that. my guess is he's been advised to keep his mouth shut because the accuser might decide that she'll press charges if he goes down that road.

 

[patdog]

I doubt the review board at Yale is anywhere near as biased to keep this guy on the team as the one at FSU was to keep the Heisman Trophy winner on the team. From reading that story, it's just as likely that he's being unfairly accused as it is that he assaulted/raped a girl.

 

[Chesusdog]

**** happened at Columbia a while back too. Google Mattress Girl. Girl's story was proven false but the damage was done. Guy is now suing the school.

 

[BiscuitEater]

Okay ..

And given that it's resulted in his expulsion, he's almost surely exhausted his various appeals at the school level. I kind of doubt his lawyers try and do anything about this other than keep it from becoming public knowledge.

Understand what you are saying but respectfully disagree. This is 'why' I totally disagree with any University deciding these cases. It should be the local police, crime labs and prosecution teams that have experience in these crimes.

If he is innocent and has a good case, he should start by suing Yale for big bucks. (See Duke Lacrosse Rape Case and more recently, the UVA rape story) Until Universities get the clear message that they are totally responsible and liable when they attempt to determine responsible parties.

Rape is a horrible crime and should be criminally investigated, tried and punished when found guilty by a competent jury. Likewise, rape hoaxes should be equally punished for the harm they do .. to BOTH men and women.

Some of these are really scary .. http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/14/here-are-eight-campus-rape-hoaxes-eerily-like-the-uva-rape-story/

 

[johnson86-1]

And given that it's resulted in his expulsion, he's almost surely exhausted his various appeals at the school level. I kind of doubt his lawyers try and do anything about this other than keep it from becoming public knowledge. This would be the same process that J Winston went through at Florida state, (found him innocent). These boards tend to be slanted towards protecting the accused, so the fact that he was expelled tells me they had the goods. If he want's, he's free to make it all pubic, but obviously he isn't doing that. my guess is he's been advised to keep his mouth shut because the accuser might decide that she'll press charges if he goes down that road.

Somebody has not been paying attention.

Very common for schools to have one sided "processes", sometimes they don't even let the accused question witnesses themselves. Hell, the federal gov't has actually sent out a dear colleague letter saying that giving accused due process rights could be a violation of Title IX.

You're starting to see some pretty big judgments come out of cases like those.

This could certainly be a case where the accused is guilty, but it's unlikely there was a fair process involved.

 

[aTotal360]

So what did he do? I assumed he got busted for plagiarizing or something like that. I haven't heard anything about a potential sexual assault.

 

[tenureplan]

"The team’s T-shirt decision, according to the Register, was met with posters around campus directed at the team with the message: “Stop supporting a rapist.”"

 

[Junction John]

ISWYDT, but I refuse to laugh until I know the outcome of the case.

he's free to make it all pubic

 

[KurtRambis4]

Didn't the

father say that, at some point, they were going to get their side of the story out to the public?

That would go against what you're saying, about being quite so that they aren't charged.

 

[JungRebel]

I can't find an allegation, and I'm interested to hear what happened that will set a "new precedent."

 

[Crazy Cotton]

The school case and a criminal or civil case are independent of each other. The school receives the complaint and, in the case of a potentially criminal matter, refers it to the police for further action - that aspect of the case then becomes the responsibility of those officials to decide if they pursue an investigation/prosecution, etc. I've seen quite a few of those cases where the criminal investigation is a nonstarter because the victim refuses to make a criminal complaint.

The school however, is still obligated to pursue the case as a potential violation of student conduct policy, which is what apparently been done and decided in this Yale case. Each school has a set of procedures that govern the evaluation and penalty, but on the schools part, the strongest action they have available is to expel the student. No matter the outcome, FERPA laws are still in play, and there won't be an official description of the case unless the students agree to the details being public. That looks like what happened here - the school ran the case, found him in violation of student conduct and expelled him. They can't say why, and he isn't saying anything about it either, so who knows what he did. As I noted, my guess is that, if this was a sexual assault case, the victim wants him gone from the school, and is keeping the possibility of a criminal charge as leverage to keep him quiet.

 

[BiscuitEater]

They can't say why, and he isn't saying anything about it either, so who knows what he did. As I noted, my guess is that, if this was a sexual assault case, the victim wants him gone from the school, and is keeping the possibility of a criminal charge as leverage to keep him quiet.

My guess is that this is a .."He said / She said" <quote> sexual assault case <unquote> and my earlier point is that there are more and more rape hoax's in the last couple of years. The ones that we have discovered have a common theme .. women are lionized as poor victims and men (most especially white males) are seen as oppressors.

Think you also missed the part about 'being advised by their lawyers' not to speak about the case. This is going to be litigated and he will be heard.

And, there is absolutely ZERO chance that a good % of students at Yale DON'T know what's going on at the school. Don't think those players are going to rally around a player 'if' they think he committed a sexual assault.

Will also add that this rape hoax epidemic can be stopped on a dime by a simple change to the current law .. fake reports of rape, hate crimes, or really any outrage, ought to be punished by the same penalties as adhere to the original alleged crime.