Gun violence

[Airport]

Is it happenstance that these increases occur alongside the increase in numbers of single parent homes and less parental intervention in child rearing?

Is it happenstance that these increases rise with the increase in government welfare spending since the mid 60's? This is all probably do to the more permissive our society has become. That's what liberals want, no responsibility for ones actions so you can't legislate morality back into the bottle once it's out.

 

[jjwv_mu_rivals]

I love Rage, Clutch, White Zombie, etc.

Did you ever check out Street Sweeper Social Club? It's basically Rage without Zack.

I have heard of them. Morello is the guitarist. Did you know that Rage is back as a "supergroup". The original members except Zach, called Prophets of Rage. They have B Real from Cypress Hill and Chuck D from Public Enemy as lead singers.

I like White Zombie, don't care for Clutch much. I really like Of Mice & Men and I Prevail as newer bands. Mushroomhead and Slipknot are great, too.

I'm really in to some Euro metal bands: Soilwork and In Flames, a few others (Scar Symmetry, Rammstein, Lordi, Volbeat). I also really like some good Cristian rock/metal: Skillet and Demon Hunter.

I grew up on KISS, so explains a little.

 

[Airport]

Rap? Hey old man, it's called Hip Hop.

I'll grant you there is a correlation of gun violence to the drug trade/industry but to attempt to link gun violence to misogynist rants in music is foolish.

Rap, now Hip Hop, has been around since the late 70s. Ever heard of Sugar Hill Gang? Ever heard of Aerosmith? Ever heard of Red Hot Chili Peppers? Rap/Hip Hop has spilled over into other genres, including Pop and Rock.

I think there is an Ozzie Osborn concert you should be protesting.

Whatever it's called, F the bitches and F this, F that. I guess it's happenstance that these problems have increased in direct response to the increase in goverment welfare spending.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Whatever it's called, F the bitches and F this, F that. I guess it's happenstance that these problems have increased in direct response to the increase in goverment welfare spending.

So, government welfare spending + rap music = more violence? [eyeroll]

It's music, gee whiz. If you can claim that rap music promotes and causes more violence, then I can start a long line of things that I say start other things.......opcorn:

 

[Airport]

So, government welfare spending + rap music = more violence? [eyeroll]

It's music, gee whiz. If you can claim that rap music promotes and causes more violence, then I can start a long line of things that I say start other things.......opcorn:

I was just pointing out the correlation between what everybody is talking about guns these days. Black music has much more violence in it towards women than other forms, does it not? Kill the pigs? Do you not think that there are a lot of lyrics out there that promote violence? Certainly the beatles, the Rolling stones didn't.

 

[MountaineerWV]

I was just pointing out the correlation between what everybody is talking about guns these days. Black music has much more violence in it towards women than other forms, does it not? Kill the pigs? Do you not think that there are a lot of lyrics out there that promote violence? Certainly the beatles, the Rolling stones didn't.

And CCR had anti-Vietnam songs........Bob Dylan, too. Political music has been around for a long time, so has violent music or movies.

Calling Rap/Hip Hop as "black music" is a little far-fetched. There are white rappers, and white people who listen/love that music.

So, was there rap music when the race riots broke out in the upper midwestern cities in the early 1900's????

Again, pointing the finger at music (in your particular interest, rap) for the problems is NOT DIFFERENT than the liberals pointing their fingers at guns. You are doing that same thing.

 

[Airport]

And CCR had anti-Vietnam songs........Bob Dylan, too. Political music has been around for a long time, so has violent music or movies.

Calling Rap/Hip Hop as "black music" is a little far-fetched. There are white rappers, and white people who listen/love that music.

So, was there rap music when the race riots broke out in the upper midwestern cities in the early 1900's????

Again, pointing the finger at music (in your particular interest, rap) for the problems is NOT DIFFERENT than the liberals pointing their fingers at guns. You are doing that same thing.

I was pointing out that it's hard to argue that as society has gotten more permissive in it's morals, society has sufffered. As govt has expanded it's role in welfare, the family has suffered. As music has gotten more violent in it's lyrics, society has suffered more and more violence. There is a correlation, even my liberal office manager, voted for Obama, agrees with me. She just happened to walk into my office and I asked her what she thought.

 

[Airport]

And CCR had anti-Vietnam songs........Bob Dylan, too. Political music has been around for a long time, so has violent music or movies.

Calling Rap/Hip Hop as "black music" is a little far-fetched. There are white rappers, and white people who listen/love that music.

So, was there rap music when the race riots broke out in the upper midwestern cities in the early 1900's????

Again, pointing the finger at music (in your particular interest, rap) for the problems is NOT DIFFERENT than the liberals pointing their fingers at guns. You are doing that same thing.

Anti war songs didn't say F the bitches, kill the pigs. What do we want? Dead cops, when? Now.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Anti war songs didn't say F the bitches, kill the pigs. What do we want? Dead cops, when? Now.

So the anti-Vietnam people didn't say "Pigs" in their protests???? Come on, man. And our own president said "Grab them by the pu$$y".........is that not the same as a rapper saying "F**K the b!tch"????

 

[Airport]

So the anti-Vietnam people didn't say "Pigs" in their protests???? Come on, man. And our own president said "Grab them by the pu$$y".........is that not the same as a rapper saying "F**K the b!tch"????

How old are you? I grew up with credence. Actually saw the beatles on the ed Sullivan show. Hippies back in the "pigs" day were not actively saying kill the pigs. Now, we have people actually hunting officers. My point is that we, as a society, have gotten much more permissive in what is acceptable. Blacks idolize notorius big adn all those guys and how do they die? By gunfire. How did Jim Morrison, Jimi hendrix die? Drugs. I just think that there is a correlation. By the way, Trump didn't say that back in the 70's!

 

[Boomboom521]

Is it happenstance that these increases rise with the increase in government welfare spending since the mid 60's? This is all probably do to the more permissive our society has become. That's what liberals want, no responsibility for ones actions so you can't legislate morality back into the bottle once it's out.

Just not accurate. Liberalism is not a relaxing of morality, just a relaxing of what traditionally is seen as moral.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Just not accurate. Liberalism is not a relaxing of morality, just a relaxing of what traditionally is seen as moral.

Hahahahahaha

 

[Boomboom521]

Hahahahahaha

Laughing is good for you, but it is true.

 

[bornaneer]

And our own president said "Grab them by the pu$$y".........is that not the same as a rapper saying "F**K the b!tch"????

Trump said that in a song? I must have missed that one.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Laughing is good for you, but it is true.

Perception is reality. The perception of what society deems as moral is in fact morality. Relaxing the perception of what society deems as moral is in fact relaxing morality.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Trump said that in a song? I must have missed that one.

I see you took an extra dumbass pill today.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Trump said that in a song? I must have missed that one.

So, what does it matter if it's in a song or not? I'd be willing to bet that more people have heard "Grab 'em by the pu$$y" more than the number of people that have heard or recognize the lyrics from a Tupac or Notorious BIG rap song........

 

[bornaneer]

I see you took an extra dumbass pill today.

I never knew Trump did any Hip Hop. If he did any work in that genre I'd like to see it. Speaking of dumbass......We took the grand kids over to see a dairy operation earlier today. As we were watching the cows being milked, a young lady who was in her late teens leaned over and asked me "which cows are the male ones".

 

[bornaneer]

So, what does it matter if it's in a song or not? I'd be willing to bet that more people have heard "Grab 'em by the pu$$y" more than the number of people that have heard or recognize the lyrics from a Tupac or Notorious BIG rap song........

You are correct.........its been headlined all over the media for months and months. It's probably gone "platinum".

 

[TarHeelEer]

Just not accurate. Liberalism is not a relaxing of morality, just a relaxing of what traditionally is seen as moral.

ob·fus·ca·tion
ˌäbfəˈskāSH(ə)n/
noun

1. the action of making something obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
   "when confronted with sharp questions they resort to obfuscation"

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

As we were watching the cows being milked, a young lady who was in her late teens leaned over and asked me "which cows are the male ones".

Good to see you met another trump supporter.

 

[Boomboom521]

Perception is reality. The perception of what society deems as moral is in fact morality. Relaxing the perception of what society deems as moral is in fact relaxing morality.

I don't agree. A major myth of the components of society is a shared (or common) morality. Although on the surface, I admit your assessment of the definition of morality is accurate, it just simply isn't true. Morality is, as always has been, completely individual in nature...and practice. The social concepts of morality rarely (if ever) change based on a small amount of people acting in contrast to that social moral ideology. The change occurs when large amount of individuals act in contrast to that morality. This occurs because large amounts of people have been acting in contrast to that morality for what is usually a long time prior to the change.

Take the perceived changes in American sexual morality. Whether you are looking at female promiscuity or homosexuality, these changes didn't begin in the 60's and come to the current state. Homosexuality and female promiscuity were alive and well long before the public perception changed. Although PERCEPTION of the acts might have been seen as immoral by "society", the morality of these acts were not questioned by most of those acting.

In regards to morality, liberalism seeks to relax the perception of morality from applying traditional standards and allow the social perception to incorporate differences in individual spiritual and sexual ideology. Though there is still morality. It's still immoral for a homosexual or a promiscuous female to cheat against the will of a partner (or spouse). The relaxation only applies to the traditional standards based mostly in religious ideology.

It's just ridiculous to think of morality as anything more than an individual's relationship to the world around them, and how their personal views of life, living, spirituality, ethics, and justice are applied to their actions. A social perception of morality? It only leads people to "act" like they want to be perceived when people are watching....behind closed doors, it is (and always has been) an individual concept.

 

[Boomboom521]

ob·fus·ca·tion
ˌäbfəˈskāSH(ə)n/
noun

1. the action of making something obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
   "when confronted with sharp questions they resort to obfuscation"

Ok. Morality is individual in nature. Liberalism just seeks to make that clear. My morality isn't dictated by anyone else, it is determined largely by my actions towards others though. It was once seen as "socially" immoral to drink. Enough so that a law was passed to prevent it. However, I don't think the large masses of people that continued to drink saw the act as immoral. The immoral act of drinking too much too often and neglecting your family and responsibilities was always immoral....with or without the social change.

Liberalism (and not all that claim to be for the cause of liberalism actually practice it) seeks to relax the perceived traditional attitudes of morality in regards to the act (drinking), and instead focus on the consequences of some that participate in the act (neglect of family and responsibilities).

It puts the substance of morality onto the individual, and tries to do away with the mythical "shared" moral standard. Morality will always have the unchangable standard of how our actions effect others however. For example: if a single man with no family or friends wants to drink himself to death, that act is not immoral, once the man steals to support his drinking, or endangers the health of the public by living and defecting on the streets....then his actions are approaching a moral dilemma.