Gundy's Press Conference Discusses WVU

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Gundy discusses WVU, our improvement, our defense, and our OL. "I believe they are currently playing as the best OLine in the league, and they dont have a single Senior on the line, they are playing with a bunch of Fresh, Soph, & Jun right now"...

Gundy also said, "They could be the best 4-4 team in the country". While its common for coaches to always talk up their opponents, I think anyone who follows WVU closely, has watched every game, what they have shown the past two weeks, and experiencing 3 very close losses, would absolutely come to a similar conclusion. If WVU beats OkieSt, WVU could be the only 5-4 team ranked in the top 25 next week.

That surely is considerable praise coming from Gundy, esp shows how this OL has gelled & improved as the season continues, which is to be expected with a young OL. Its definitely one of the biggest reasons why our offense has improved, and a rather large justification as to feeling why+how this offense will continue to improve in the next few years... There is a MASSIVE difference in performance when Doege has time to sling it compared to when hes pressured. If the OL continue to improve, Doege plays a clean game allowing to be a bit more consistent & aggressive in the passing game, it should only help widen the lanes for Leddie... A compounding effect of offensive improvement sparked by a reduction in limitations/predictability.

OkieSt always seems to have our number, we havent beaten them much since we've been in the BIG12, and they always seem to have really strong/powerful DL that give our OL serious problems. Gundy does a great job in how he develops & utilizes the talent he recruits. One of a few group of coaches who pretty consistently outperforms recruiting based expectations. I respect Gundy, Gundy & Patterson were always my two favorite coaches in the Big12. I like it when coaches of good quality remain at traditionally non-blue blood programs, and dont take that first BlueBlood offer that comes their way after showing a little success. Coaches who want to build their own legacy have my appreciation & respect.

Its going to be a very tough matchup for us. OkieSt is playing very well on Defense, so Doege absolutely must play >= how he did vs IowaSt - Pick6 if we are to have a shot at knocking off a top 11 team.. I just hope to see a competitive game and the team not regress from last week, lets see if this team can stack some consistency up and end the year strong. Who knows, we may end the season with 8 or 9 wins. After such a devastating first half of the season, I would think that would be a massive success this year. To think of how close this team is to being 7-1, its a bitter pill no doubt, but those types of close losses are apart of a growing program. I think it shows progress and how close we are to raising the floor, just a couple critical pieces away, perhaps just 1 piece.

Hoping to see Puskar filled this weekend with at least 55K, if you can make it to go to the game, our players need ya support!

 

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We have definitely improved. We really need to build on it and come out with intensity. Effectively run the plays for all 4 QTRs. This game in particular, I think JD needs to make quick decisions and get the ball out. Oklahoma State will know if they can get to our QB his productivity goes down. Totally agree our Offense is clicking by effectively running the ball and protecting JD. Given time and being able to stay standing has really elevated his game.

Would love to finally beat an Oklahoma team. Should help to be playing in front of our fans. LGM.
 
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Did he really just say best 4-4 team in the country? How stupid is he? Couldn't he just have said most improved the past couple of weeks. Best 4-4 sounds more like a slam against WVU not a complement.
 

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Did he really just say best 4-4 team in the country? How stupid is he? Couldn't he just have said most improved the past couple of weeks. Best 4-4 sounds more like a slam against WVU not a complement.
Maybe he really meant it as a slam against the 4-4 overrated Texas Longhorns.

How many will they win in the SEC? I'm going with 4 each year, and three of them will be stiffs they beat in the non-conference.
 

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Maybe he really meant it as a slam against the 4-4 overrated Texas Longhorns.

How many will they win in the SEC? I'm going with 4 each year, and three of them will be stiffs they beat in the non-conference.
Well they can't beat Arkansas or LSU. So those are L's.
 
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Did he really just say best 4-4 team in the country? How stupid is he? Couldn't he just have said most improved the past couple of weeks. Best 4-4 sounds more like a slam against WVU not a complement.
I think he meant it as a compliment, regarding how 3 of our losses are just by 3 or 6 points, how competitive we have been in all but 1 loss. I think his perspective is from a film breakdown and not just Wins/Losses.

Hopefully we see another quality performance from our team Saturday, will it be enough to beat #11 in the country, not sure, they are playing pretty well... Just hope we continue to see variations of progress. Though the mob would probably prefer a 40 point loss compared to a last second FG type of loss..
 
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Maybe he really meant it as a slam against the 4-4 overrated Texas Longhorns.

How many will they win in the SEC? I'm going with 4 each year, and three of them will be stiffs they beat in the non-conference.
Sark is a good coach, and they have a really good staff now. It will take him a few years, but I think in time UT will get back to being in the national conversation. They'll def be an adjustment period tho, the first year will be tough. Depends when they actually join. If UT stays in Big12 until 2025, it may not be that bad, giving him some time to cement his foundation.

Still though, when you look at UT's recruiting the past A-Z years, they have been drastically under performing relative to talent. Imagine if WVU recruited top 15,10, & 5 classes and went 7-5, lol... That would be nuts..
 

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I think he meant it as a compliment, regarding how 3 of our losses are just by 3 or 6 points, how competitive we have been in all but 1 loss. I think his perspective is from a film breakdown and not just Wins/Losses.

Hopefully we see another quality performance from our team Saturday, will it be enough to beat #11 in the country, not sure, they are playing pretty well... Just hope we continue to see variations of progress. Though the mob would probably prefer a 40 point loss compared to a last second FG type of loss..
I think he's being facetious with his coach speak.
 

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Maybe he really meant it as a slam against the 4-4 overrated Texas Longhorns.

How many will they win in the SEC? I'm going with 4 each year, and three of them will be stiffs they beat in the non-conference.
Close Ls are not moral victories. To me, we had not settled our OL and we certainly had not learned how to be winners. Specially the Texas Tech game where we came out flat on both sides of the ball. The last two games, it felt totally different like we could beat anybody and score in bunches. And we learned how to get Ws. Hope it becomes a way of life for us going forward. LGM.
 

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Sark is a good coach, and they have a really good staff now. It will take him a few years, but I think in time UT will get back to being in the national conversation. They'll def be an adjustment period tho, the first year will be tough. Depends when they actually join. If UT stays in Big12 until 2025, it may not be that bad, giving him some time to cement his foundation.

Still though, when you look at UT's recruiting the past A-Z years, they have been drastically under performing relative to talent. Imagine if WVU recruited top 15,10, & 5 classes and went 7-5, lol... That would be nuts..
They have top 10 recruiting for last several years and can't win. The other 2 coaches had a few years and couldn't get it done.

2012-2022

2012 - #2
2013 - #17
2014 - #17
2015 - #10
2016 - #7
2017 - #25
2018 - #3

Current players on team unknown transfers
2019 - #3
2020 - #8
2021 - #15
2022 - #6

Those ratings and can't win. There are issues. He should be winning and competing for Big 12 now.
 
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I'll be in Mountaineer Field on Saturday when Oklahoma State runs out onto the field against my alma mater. What I see then is all that I care about. And, like everyone else, I don't have a clue how it will turn out.
 
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They have top 10 recruiting for last several years and can't win. The other 2 coaches had a few years and couldn't get it done.

2012-2022

2012 - #2
2013 - #17
2014 - #17
2015 - #10
2016 - #7
2017 - #25
2018 - #3

Current players on team unknown transfers
2019 - #3
2020 - #8
2021 - #15
2022 - #6

Those ratings and can't win. There are issues. He should be winning and competing for Big 12 now.
Thats a ready-made national contender no doubt.. That is a situation where the coach inherits a great roster that just needs to learn new schemes, concepts, & terminology.

I def think Sark is under-performing a bit, but he does have a 1st yr starter at QB, and as Ive said here many times, it usually takes every QB 1 full year as QB1 to find their timing...

Their last 3 losses have all been to OU, OkieSt, & Baylor, so all ranked teams and they have should have won a couple of them but gave it away, so they are another good 4-4 team, better then their record indicates anways. Much of which is due to the natural inconsistency for a 1st yr staff.

Put this into perspective, WVU & Texas have the same record, yet the talent gap is MASSIVE. I will add, many of those players were recruited for different concepts, so he hasnt had time yet to rercuit specific to his schemes, which is what I meant by needing a few years before they peak.
 

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Thats a ready-made national contender no doubt.. That is a situation where the coach inherits a great roster that just needs to learn new schemes, concepts, & terminology.

I def think Sark is under-performing a bit, but he does have a 1st yr starter at QB, and as Ive said here many times, it usually takes every QB 1 full year as QB1 to find their timing...

Their last 3 losses have all been to OU, OkieSt, & Baylor, so all ranked teams and they have should have won a couple of them but gave it away, so they are another good 4-4 team, better then their record indicates anways. Much of which is due to the natural inconsistency for a 1st yr staff.

Put this into perspective, WVU & Texas have the same record, yet the talent gap is MASSIVE. I will add, many of those players were recruited for different concepts, so he hasnt had time yet to rercuit specific to his schemes, which is what I meant by needing a few years before they peak.
OU doesn't seem to have issues with their 5 star freshman QB. Scheme or no scheme talent level that high with experience should be winning.

Texas could finish 6-6 or win all 4 of their remaining games.

I expect WVU to have a hard time moving the ball against OSU.
 
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I want some more of that Iowa State game feeling when I'm in Mountaineer Field on Saturday and Oklahoma State trots onto the field! It was ecstasy without the drug!
 
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OU doesn't seem to have issues with their 5 star freshman QB. Scheme or no scheme talent level that high with experience should be winning.

Texas could finish 6-6 or win all 4 of their remaining games.

I expect WVU to have a hard time moving the ball against OSU.
Williams is a unique talent no doubt. If you look at all high 4 star & 5 star QB's, even for the top x% percentile of 4 & 5 stars most dont play exceptionally well their first year. Which I think shows just how good Williams is to be honest. I mean, he beat out another 5 star QB with two years under his belt and was a Heisman frontrunner at the start of the season, OU is a different team with Williams at QB. Also shows the value of mobility at QB position in NCAAF. One reason Im REALLY hoping Greene develops his coverage reads & arm a bit... If he can take a few steps foward there, combined with his playmaking, could be.....could be special.. Tho, thats a big if...

I Def agree they are underperforming, Texas has been under performing relative to roster talent for a very long time. You can throw Tenn, UF, USC, Miami, FSU, Michigan, PSU, LSU, etc into that mix too..

They let a couple games get away from them, much like WVU this year. They had a double digit lead vs OU & Baylor but managed to lose both... A different style of ball than WVU, but still... YOu get the feeling Sark will turn it around quickly, as he should considering how easy it is for Texas to recruit.

OkieSt def is no joke this year. Im surprised IowaSt beat them, its gotta be another game of high level of execution on offense if WVU is to have a shot. If its close in the 4th qtr, hoping our defense will pull through. Also hoping our recent changes on offense(schematic & playcalling) will help reduce previous predictability from thei pre-game scheming. Its gonna be tough one, for sure.

Do you know what the points spread is for this one?
 

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They have top 10 recruiting for last several years and can't win. The other 2 coaches had a few years and couldn't get it done.

2012-2022

2012 - #2
2013 - #17
2014 - #17
2015 - #10
2016 - #7
2017 - #25
2018 - #3

Current players on team unknown transfers
2019 - #3
2020 - #8
2021 - #15
2022 - #6

Those ratings and can't win. There are issues. He should be winning and competing for Big 12 now.
It’s dangerous to star gaze when looking at recruits. Owen Schmitt was 0 stars and was turned down by Maryland to even walk on. Tevita was at least a 4 star and never actually enrolled even though he signed LOI’s 2X. Even in talent rich Texas, it may take some time for them to them to get organized and effective,
 

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It’s dangerous to star gaze when looking at recruits. Owen Schmitt was 0 stars and was turned down by Maryland to even walk on. Tevita was at least a 4 star and never actually enrolled even though he signed LOI’s 2X. Even in talent rich Texas, it may take some time for them to them to get organized and effective,
I respectfully disagree. But I do wish nothing but failure for Texas. Sark just happens to be in the line of fire.

Holgorsen didn't have an issue with getting the talent already here organized and winning.
 

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Williams is a unique talent no doubt. If you look at all high 4 star & 5 star QB's, even for the top x% percentile of 4 & 5 stars most dont play exceptionally well their first year. Which I think shows just how good Williams is to be honest. I mean, he beat out another 5 star QB with two years under his belt and was a Heisman frontrunner at the start of the season, OU is a different team with Williams at QB. Also shows the value of mobility at QB position in NCAAF. One reason Im REALLY hoping Greene develops his coverage reads & arm a bit... If he can take a few steps foward there, combined with his playmaking, could be.....could be special.. Tho, thats a big if...

I Def agree they are underperforming, Texas has been under performing relative to roster talent for a very long time. You can throw Tenn, UF, USC, Miami, FSU, Michigan, PSU, LSU, etc into that mix too..

They let a couple games get away from them, much like WVU this year. They had a double digit lead vs OU & Baylor but managed to lose both... A different style of ball than WVU, but still... YOu get the feeling Sark will turn it around quickly, as he should considering how easy it is for Texas to recruit.

OkieSt def is no joke this year. Im surprised IowaSt beat them, its gotta be another game of high level of execution on offense if WVU is to have a shot. If its close in the 4th qtr, hoping our defense will pull through. Also hoping our recent changes on offense(schematic & playcalling) will help reduce previous predictability from thei pre-game scheming. Its gonna be tough one, for sure.

Do you know what the points spread is for this one?
Just like the feeling that Strong and Herman was turning them around. Holgorsen had no problem in year one but could not maintain the year 1 success.

The talent at Texas Sark should be on page for a NYD 6 bowl this year. I could see if he was at the level of talent WVU had when Brown took over. That would be explainable. Just my opinion.
 

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I respectfully disagree. But I do wish nothing but failure for Texas. Sark just happens to be in the line of fire.

Holgorsen didn't have an issue with getting the talent already here organized and winning.
Look, I understand your point and overall a class with high star ratings pans out. But if it was absolute, Norte Dame and Texas would be playoff teams every year. And Ford Childress, Paul Millard and Pat White would perform equally based on their 3 star ratings. And Owen Schmitt and Jordan Jefferson should not have made our 2 deep. But, my brother agrees with you, he thinks if our class is filled with 5 stars we will win a NATTY. For me, i like it when the coaches see a player perform on the field in camp and make an offer regardless of the stars.
 

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Look, I understand your point and overall a class with high star ratings pans out. But if it was absolute, Norte Dame and Texas would be playoff teams every year. And Ford Childress, Paul Millard and Pat White would perform equally based on their 3 star ratings. And Owen Schmitt and Jordan Jefferson should not have made our 2 deep. But, my brother agrees with you, he thinks if our class is filled with 5 stars we will win a NATTY. For me, i like it when the coaches see a player perform on the field in camp and make an offer regardless of the stars.
The margin of error is much wider when your school is able to sign a lot of five and four-star recruits. Not all of the blue-chip recruits pan out, but enough of them at the elite recruiting schools do so, which makes it much easier for these schools to win at a high level. This is particularly true regarding quarterbacks and defensive linemen. To win big at the college level these days, you almost have to have an elite quarterback, and NFL-caliber defensive linemen, the latter of whom are very limited. The best SEC schools tend to have NFL-caliber defensive linemen, which gives them an advantage over most other schools because blue-chip D-Linemen are in short supply.
 

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JWG66, you're right, nothing is absolute. The star ratings are flawed ..... to a point. But if you take teams that recruit mainly 4* & 5* players vs teams that recruit mainly 3* players the former will come out on top most of the time. And yes, it does have to do with coaching also. Given the talent that TX gets every year they should almost always be in the top 10....... but they aren't. Coaching plays a big part but you also have to have the talent.