GYERO ARCHIVE

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wcc31

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Mar 18, 2002
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Skal is starting to remind me of one of those Euros who would get drafted in the top-10 back in the early-2000s even though the only film on them was some grainy Betamax footage from the Bulgarian Boys League. Fairly skilled but not even remotely physical enough for U.S. ball.

Or John Henson.
 

anthonys735

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Skal doesn't even have to do anything other than a quick help side pass and take any open shots. They're still collapsing on him for whatever reason.

Catch+quick pass. That would be a helluva start. Now if the ball goes inside to anyone it's 50% clip of getting stolen/blocked and 25% defensive rebound.
 

wcc31

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Skal's confidence is obviously just wrecked right now. As ill-prepared as he is for the college game, he still isn't as bad as he's been these last few weeks.
 

anthonys735

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Jan 29, 2004
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Skal/Willis
Alex/Lee

Those two sets should be subbing for each other barring foul trouble should never be on the court together.
 

_Chase_

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Jan 22, 2004
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Our inside game sucks. Period.

 

BBdK

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Yes, you are supposed to stay at home and do absolutely nothing -- also supposed to lose regular contact with most of your friends, iirc.



Just wait til you have kids, I think is what they said.
 
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Mar 25, 2004
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I'm also not a college basketball, but it seems to me that if your offense is predicated on driving to the basket over and over again, removing congestion in the paint is an imperative. We sort of seem to take the opposite approach.
 
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fatguy87

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Someone you can toss the ball into and say, 'go get a bucket'. A guy that can beat his guy 1v1 and regularly require a double team.

Oh yes! The post up player is truly the preeminent vehicle for shot generation in modern basketball. A team can't play good offense without it at any level.
 

cawoodsct

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Apr 27, 2006
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Very curious to see what the kiwi can bring to this team, if you know, John let's him play.
 

fatguy87

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Hell even the Warriors have Andrew Bogut, a very serviceable big man. You have to have something in the post. We have nothing.

Well, yeah. He isn't a back to the basket post player, however. Not all bigs fit the traditional post archetype.

Jordan and Chandler are centers but I wouldn't really consider them post players. They do most of their damage offensively through pick and roll.
 
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Bogut basically does a lot of slick handoff stuff and passing at the elbow. It's interesting stuff, and we should try more of it with our bigs ... like we did in 2011 (when it seemed like our entire offense ran off of Jorts doing the same thing).
 

BBdK

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Throw us some cute #s to show us how efficient our offense actually is, fatguy. Most of us in here are struggling, only have the actual games that we watch to go by.

Any help you can provide is appreciated.

[eyeroll]
 
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fatguy87

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Bogut basically does a lot of slick handoff stuff and passing at the elbow. It's interesting stuff, and we should try more of it with our bigs ... like we did in 2011 (when it seemed like our entire offense ran off of Jorts doing the same thing).

There are a multitude of methods for effective offense. Bigs don't have to be back to the basket players to be assets on strong offensive teams. It's a nice tool to have, but isn't necessary. Smart coaches and smart players work around weaknesses and try to augment strengths. UConn has won 2 championships without a post player that requires a double team. Duke won one with Zoubeck at the 5 and a face up 4 in Singler. Our 2012 team didn't have a real proficient post scorer.

If you don't have a post player, you create chances inside through other methods. Passing to cutters, dribble driving, pick and roll, etc. are all alternative routes to creating chances in the paint to score or pass.
 

Mattox

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Very curious to see what the kiwi can bring to this team, if you know, John let's him play.

Probably come in late against Louisville, make a few key plays and we'll see him again in a month for some mop up duty against an SEC scrub in Rupp.
 
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05 went on a ton of flights as a baby. And then we had 07 and 08 and the economy crashed. And now they play sports pretty much every weekend for the rest of our lives.
 
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1. Michigan State
2. Oklahoma
3. Kansas
4. Maryland
5. Virginia
6. Xavier
7. North Carolina
8. Arizona
9. Iowa State
10. Duke
11. Kentucky
12. Butler
13. Purdue
14. Providence
15. Louisville
16. Miami (FL)
17. Villanova
18. West Virginia
19. Texas A&M
20. George Washington
21. Cincinnati
22. Baylor
23. South Carolina
24. Gonzaga
25. Vanderbilt
 

ctharris07

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I was thinking 12 or 13. I don't think we're that good right now, but that's the perk of starting high. As pessimistic as I usually am, I still think we beat UL and see 5 losses in the SEC. What will that bring? 2 or 3 seed?
 

Vismund

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Mar 30, 2007
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Pat Forde must be quivering at the thought of us losing a couple more games. Probably has the headline of "You made your soup, now stew in it Calipari," at the ready, boner veins pulsing and aching to smash the enter key hoping it was 18 because he hit it so hard. Gaf.

I said it two weeks ago and I'll say it again, if the ball goes inside to anyone, especially our shiny new top rated recruit and potential top 3 pick, it ain't coming back out. Not for drives, not for high-low, not for open threes and especially not to reset/repost. Clear everyone out and run one of Lee/Poythress with our 3 guards and Willis as a stretch 4. Let Briscoe handle the ball and stretch out the sagging defense. Will we do it? Nope. Expect more emphasis on Skal, Murray hero-ball to continue and a lot of perplexed looks from Poythress/Lee when they are constantly having to help defend with Skal only to see a 6 foot guard get an offensive rebound/putback.

I hate that I'm this ate up over teenage kids sometimes.
 

qwesley

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There are a multitude of methods for effective offense. Bigs don't have to be back to the basket players to be assets on strong offensive teams. It's a nice tool to have, but isn't necessary. Smart coaches and smart players work around weaknesses and try to augment strengths. UConn has won 2 championships without a post player that requires a double team. Duke won one with Zoubeck at the 5 and a face up 4 in Singler. Our 2012 team didn't have a real proficient post scorer.

If you don't have a post player, you create chances inside through other methods. Passing to cutters, dribble driving, pick and roll, etc. are all alternative routes to creating chances in the paint to score or pass.
Those UCONN teams had stretch 4s and did not have a wing player with zero range like Briscoe. Those "methods" you describe need space.
 
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_Chase_

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Jan 22, 2004
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My step-son ran up a $300 phone bill this month, no doubt streaming YouTube.

Thankfully, he's on his Dad's plan and not ours.

[banana]

I tried to educate them on overages, disabling a users data when it hits a certain point, etc...but I guess it fell on deaf ears.

Pretty sure it's going to be taken seriously this time. Shew.
 

Stonewall12

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Nov 15, 2009
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One thing regarding the matchup with UL & one of the reasons we've had so much success against them since Cal came here..

UL pressures the ball. Whether it's through their various press formations or their matchup zone. They don't sag & pack it in like Ohio St and UCLA did. They get up in you which I think plays into our favor. The only other team to extend pressure against us was Duke. Our guards should be able to get by and then HOPEFULLY find the sweet spot in their matchup zone for some good looks at the rim.
I think RP will sag like OSU did.
 
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Briscoe seems to get a free pass around here b/c he's so "tough", but his limitations are pretty brutal to this team.

I love the kid too, but damn.
Guards that can't shoot - in most cases - are a non-starter for me. No matter what else they can do. If you don't have to respect the shooting of a GD shooting guard, then an offense just isn't going to work as well as it should.
 
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qwesley

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Briscoe seems to get a free pass around here b/c he's so "tough", but his limitations are pretty brutal to this team.

I love the kid too, but damn.
He is killing us, the only way it would work with him is with a very capable 3 pt shooter at the 4.
 

Mossip

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Call me crazy, but I think the inside-out, outside-in argument is chicken/egg ********. We gotta be able to make shots from....well, anywhere. If so, we're probably a top 15 team capable of a tourney run.

Skal needs to be more LeMarcus Aldridge than pure post. Cal will right the ship.
 

Stonewall12

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Nov 15, 2009
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It is depressing to see us have one game a week. All week to prepare and it is still Murray going one on four. That was some of the worst offense I have ever seen in he first half. Cal has another week for UL please pull a tweak out of your butt. It might be as simple as play Willis and Humphries. Heck the lumberjack should be able to grab rebounds better than Who cares about Poythresssucka?
 
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