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[Porkchop.sixpack]

representatives on the search committee, I think that is a fair request. If they want more input than that, then I think they are placing more importance on their roll or themselves than they should.

I have to admit that I have an admiration for the profession of teaching. But, I find myself not admiring many teachers. I find them generally concerned more about how hard they will have to work and how much their paycheck is than anything. Now, that is a criticism that could be leveled at just about anybody or any group of workers. The problem is the extent to which teachers have influence in that debate. At the company I work for, I am sure everyone wants the largest paycheck they can get. But, ultimately, they don't have much input into their wage. Hopefully the powers that be have enough sense to pay a fair wage. And if they don't, the employee gets to leave.

 

[Xenomorph]

...insults members of a Sunday School class he's visiting, then sits back and laughs about it and finally brags about it on a sports message board.

I will, from here on out, believe you to be a huge piece of **** in your every day life.

 

[Porkchop.sixpack]

They had representatives on the search committe. Just like the students did. The athletes did. The alumni did. I mean, they have had their input. I mean, each one of them can't have involvement. And they certainly don't need to have more influence than the almuni. I think I could make an argument that they should have more input than the students.

I just get the impression sometimes that the faculty wants to have a veto on the whole matter.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

yea it is very misguided of them to think that. Again Lee seemed to have the academic legitimacy that you point out but he SUCKED at promoting the university and fundraising. Fogelsong got in front of every camera that was offered to him, immediately started enrollment on an upward swing, and met and then exceeded the 400 mil fundraising goal in State of the Future. Because of that.. 60 million more came into the fund that was not even expected.

It was a blessing in disguise that Fogelsong was great at that. But it was wrong to sneak him in at the last min. And I don't think for a min that there was a faculty compromise on him over Keenum. It was from somewhere else.

 

[DerHntr]

my bad for getting the discussion off on the wrong foot.</p>

 

[TR.sixpack]

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[dawgoneyall]

of involvement that most (yes, most) have a problem with. The ole inmates running the asylum thing.

 

[dawgoneyall]

dumb.

 

[SLUdog]

are paid compared to others with similar levels of education? Most professors (especially those in the humanities) simply love their subjects.

 

[Porkchop.sixpack]

Don't leave that out.

 

[bulldogbaja]

Work in industry, your *** better be at work at 8:00 am or whenever work starts, and you're held accountable for your performance, and if you're not adding value, then you'll probably be fired. In academia, you pretty much can't be fired, you show up in time for your first class, grade some papers, keep a couple hours a week of office hours, and you're golden. At least in the humanities that you speak of. Engineering professors are also graded on how much money they bring in, but most of them have no room to complain about salaries.

 

[SLUdog]

but this is the work that history professors do. If you think most are overpaid or don't really do any work then you really don't know what you are talking about.

 

[weblow]

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[vorticityDawg]

Mutt's comments do not bother me at all. I love my job, and I work my *** off at it. I have had non-university jobs, and I put in much more effort now than I ever did at "real world" jobs simply because I enjoy what I am doing now. I just saw an opportunity to harass Mutt a bit about his username and the irony of his statements. After Foglesong basically drew a line between faculty and alumni, I am used to hearing ignorant comments about faculty being lazy, liberal, communist, etc.

The process is flawed because it is SO secretive. The IHL does not have to respond to, or even hear, any real pressure from employees, students, or alumni because they hide behind the classified process. If it were more open, we would be more likely to get candidates that really WANT to be at MSU rather than those that are testing the waters or attempting to climb some administrative hierarchy. When anyone else of significance is hired on campus, they are brought in for open interviews where everyone is allowed to meet them, ask them questions, and then provide feedback about their qualifications. The presidential search provides none of these opportunities. Do you not see this as a problem? Do like for other people to choose your leaders? Are you happy with CNN electing your politicians for you?

 

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[vorticityDawg]

Pharisees were religious and political reformers. I suppose you could say that many professors attempt to be this, but I think we can agree that few actually are.

Scribes were simply printers. They copied previously-written text. If you do this as a professor, you are fired...even if you already have tenure.

Not sure where you got the references to preachers, lawyers, and professors, but I do think that is an easy group to hate. Most of them do not bother defending themselves because trying to explain their job would quickly go beyond your ability to understand...not that their is anything wrong with that.

By the way, if you hate professors because Jesus hated professors, do you also love "****, thieves, drunks, and druggies" just because Jesus loved them? What if a professor was a drunk thief? Would you love him or hate him based on your psychotheism?