this is the time. Of course it is against the rules, and I would never do anything against the rules.
Had an Ole Miss fan piss me off
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Also, not that there weren't plenty of idiots that really liked to play up the good Christian man theme the same way UM people are doing it now, I think there were a lot of people that played it up because they sincerely believed that Croom would be able to exert more influence on the majority of his players' personal lives because he was black, had a better understanding of their background, had faced and overcome real, in-your-face discrimination, etc. Not totally unreasonable (except for the fact that Crooms may have been lazy and stubborn as ****).RebelBruiser said:
I can't understand why people run back to their computer to recount stories of their idiotic pissing matches with rival fans. It's one thing when a message board newbie does it, but it's another when a long time poster does. If you've heard one "argument I had with OM/MSU fan" story, you've heard them all.
Every time I read one, I wonder why the poster would waste his time arguing with an apparent idiot who already has his mind made up. And more so, why would you tell the story again.
It's stupid when OM fans do it at nafoom or the spirit. And it's stupid when people post it here or at Gene's.
Every time I read one, I wonder why the poster would waste his time arguing with an apparent idiot who already has his mind made up. And more so, why would you tell the story again.
It's stupid when OM fans do it at nafoom or the spirit. And it's stupid when people post it here or at Gene's.
including brewer and any other ole miss coach...who acts so surprised when this stuff happens whether its boosters giving "favors" or strip clubs or whatever....i've been around recruiting for 30yrs and in my experience when shenanigans are going on they are at least implicitly cleared by the coaches. IMO if a hc really does have serious stuff going on and is ignorant he ought to be fired for not knowing what the hell is going on. no booster is going to hand out a car without knowing the coach wants the kid bad enough to pay that price. give me a break. and every time i ever gave any "help" for recruiting i handed it to a coach...of course that was MANY yrs ago because now ole miss is pure as the driven snow....
before attacking...pls read carefully that this is not an attack on dan mullen but a criticism of all these hc's who like plausible deniability.
before attacking...pls read carefully that this is not an attack on dan mullen but a criticism of all these hc's who like plausible deniability.
As an atheist, I view Christians (all sects) in the same light I view Scientologists. To me, you're all crazy for believing that Zombie-Jesus rose from the dead, told his friends to eat his flesh and drink his blood, and then floated off into the sky to go be with his magical father, who was also himself.
Just trying to give you a little perspective...
Just trying to give you a little perspective...
from residents of a state bursting at the seams with judgemental, gossipy, Helen Lovejoy LOOK AT HOW RELIGIOUS (and therefore better than you) I AM!!! types.
If only there was something about that in some type of religious book. Like the Talmud or something.
(stereotypes, what a timesaver).
If only there was something about that in some type of religious book. Like the Talmud or something.
(stereotypes, what a timesaver).
I'll probably get this thread locked, but what the heck. Anyway, I don't disagree with you. Most religions, when you step back and look at some of the stories they believe, it can look pretty ridiculous if you try to look at them with an unbiased eye eliminating anything you've been taught growing up. Essentially, most religions can look about as legitimate as Santa Claus.
My theory on religion is that essentially it began for two reasons. The first is to answer questions that people couldn't answer themselves. They needed to explain why the sun comes up and then why it set (sun god), why the tides rose and fell (god of the sea), why the plants grow, why rain falls, etc.
The second reason is because man needed a way to cope with his own mortality. The idea that death is the end of life is tough for people to cope with. If you believe in an after life, reincarnation, or whatever, it makes the grieving process over the loss of a loved one a lot easier, because you can tell yourself that it really isn't over for that person, and in many cases you can tell yourself that the loved one has it better than you do now. That's not even touching on the idea of your own self-mortality. It's comforting to believe that your life doesn't end after 70, 80, 90 years. Having a timeline on life with a definite end is not nearly as pleasant.
So, basically, religion serves those two purposes. The first purpose, as the years have passed, has been marginalized by science. That's why churches of today spend most of their time discussing mortality and the after-life rather than focusing on the explanation for things that are happening in nature. Tornados don't happen because God/Allah/Yaweh is mad. We know that now. Earthquakes and tsunamis are all just nature at work, not punishment from God/Allah/Yaweh. We also know that the Earth revolves around the sun and rotates creating the seasons and day/night. Science, however, can't touch mortality. There is no way to prove or disprove the idea of an after life. That's why churches spend so much time on it. The after life is really one of the last products churches have to sell, and it's the one they know can never be taken away from them. And yes, that's what churches do, they sell a product, and even the ones in the same denominations package it differently.
As an aside to all of this, I think early governments latched on to the ideas of sin and an after life because it gave them another way to help enforce laws and maintain peace and order in society.
That's just my theory on churches and religion, and no I'm not an expert, but I have my beliefs. For the record, I think religion, for the most part, is a good thing for society. As I said, it's another way to enforce peace and order in society, assuming you are talking about peaceful religions like Buddhism, Christianity, etc. and not the radical side of the Muslim religion.
Now, I'm sure I've alienated myself even more here, but we're on the subject, and I guess that helps explain why I really don't care what religion my coach wants to preach. If he wants to preach Christianity, and it makes our players stay out of trouble and therefore makes them a better team, fine with me. If he doesn't want to touch on religion (like Saban) but he gets his teams to win, fine with me too. Basically, I'm preaching the religion of "I don't really know", and I have a hard time latching on to any particular belief system that's out there today. Lock it up.
My theory on religion is that essentially it began for two reasons. The first is to answer questions that people couldn't answer themselves. They needed to explain why the sun comes up and then why it set (sun god), why the tides rose and fell (god of the sea), why the plants grow, why rain falls, etc.
The second reason is because man needed a way to cope with his own mortality. The idea that death is the end of life is tough for people to cope with. If you believe in an after life, reincarnation, or whatever, it makes the grieving process over the loss of a loved one a lot easier, because you can tell yourself that it really isn't over for that person, and in many cases you can tell yourself that the loved one has it better than you do now. That's not even touching on the idea of your own self-mortality. It's comforting to believe that your life doesn't end after 70, 80, 90 years. Having a timeline on life with a definite end is not nearly as pleasant.
So, basically, religion serves those two purposes. The first purpose, as the years have passed, has been marginalized by science. That's why churches of today spend most of their time discussing mortality and the after-life rather than focusing on the explanation for things that are happening in nature. Tornados don't happen because God/Allah/Yaweh is mad. We know that now. Earthquakes and tsunamis are all just nature at work, not punishment from God/Allah/Yaweh. We also know that the Earth revolves around the sun and rotates creating the seasons and day/night. Science, however, can't touch mortality. There is no way to prove or disprove the idea of an after life. That's why churches spend so much time on it. The after life is really one of the last products churches have to sell, and it's the one they know can never be taken away from them. And yes, that's what churches do, they sell a product, and even the ones in the same denominations package it differently.
As an aside to all of this, I think early governments latched on to the ideas of sin and an after life because it gave them another way to help enforce laws and maintain peace and order in society.
That's just my theory on churches and religion, and no I'm not an expert, but I have my beliefs. For the record, I think religion, for the most part, is a good thing for society. As I said, it's another way to enforce peace and order in society, assuming you are talking about peaceful religions like Buddhism, Christianity, etc. and not the radical side of the Muslim religion.
Now, I'm sure I've alienated myself even more here, but we're on the subject, and I guess that helps explain why I really don't care what religion my coach wants to preach. If he wants to preach Christianity, and it makes our players stay out of trouble and therefore makes them a better team, fine with me. If he doesn't want to touch on religion (like Saban) but he gets his teams to win, fine with me too. Basically, I'm preaching the religion of "I don't really know", and I have a hard time latching on to any particular belief system that's out there today. Lock it up.
Any UM fan who badmouths any morals of another colleges coaches simply needs to be placed behind their basketball coaches bench at every game and get an education in cursing. I, like most folks want a coach who works his *** off, doesn't embarrass the University, and wins. It is that simple.
I really didn't know RebelBruiser would 'come to my aid' but there it is...
my whole point was just to try and give a little perspective to followers of one religion who purport to condemn those of another or no religion. The tongue-in-cheek representation of Christianity was meant to give Christians an idea of how insulting it is to have someone proclaim that you are wrong for your beliefs, much like the Christians do to Scientologists in this case, and judge you because of it. I think there might even be something in the bible about it...
ETA: this thread should be locked soon...
my whole point was just to try and give a little perspective to followers of one religion who purport to condemn those of another or no religion. The tongue-in-cheek representation of Christianity was meant to give Christians an idea of how insulting it is to have someone proclaim that you are wrong for your beliefs, much like the Christians do to Scientologists in this case, and judge you because of it. I think there might even be something in the bible about it...
ETA: this thread should be locked soon...
a post sermon high. I'm going to stick with my ancient radical event that changed the entire course of human history ever since.
Lock it up.
Lock it up.
Those are words everyone uses for religion, basically admitting that no one knows for a fact.
I don't know, and that's my point. I was raised Christian. As I grew and learned more and more though and came into contact with more and more ideas rather than just staying in my bubble, I started to question rather than just accepting. My point is that to me it's hard to say one religion is more right than another because every religion is based on faith and beliefs, not fact that can be proven or disproven.
I don't know, and that's my point. I was raised Christian. As I grew and learned more and more though and came into contact with more and more ideas rather than just staying in my bubble, I started to question rather than just accepting. My point is that to me it's hard to say one religion is more right than another because every religion is based on faith and beliefs, not fact that can be proven or disproven.
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