Haitians coming through Mexico by the thousands... no, we don't need a wall...

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TIJUANA, Mexico — Even before President Trump decided to build the wall, this Mexican border city was already overwhelmed.

So many Haitian migrants, traveling across the Americas, began arriving here last year with hopes of crossing into the United States that churches, community halls, after-school programs, rehabilitation centers and private citizens have opened their doors to house, feed and clothe them.

In one shelter, about 250 migrants — men, women and children — share two toilets and one shower. Four hundred are crammed into a church. A soup kitchen sleeps hundreds in hallways, a pantry and a lot out back.

Now, some officials and advocates worry that Mr. Trump’s plan could spur immigration crises in towns and cities all along the border and, indeed, throughout Mexico.

The Mexican government, they say, may not be able to handle it.

Mr. Trump is seeking to tighten the border, restrict immigration and increase deportations from the United States. In announcing his actions this week, the president said they would “help Mexico by deterring illegal immigration.”

“Going to be very, very good for Mexico,” he declared.

Yet some international officials and advocates envision a potential nightmare for the country.

A growing number of people have been streaming north from Central America, fleeing violence and poverty in their homelands. Nearly 409,000 were caught trying to cross the southwestern border of the United States illegally in the 2016 fiscal year, a 23 percent increase over the previous fiscal year, according to American government statistics. And the trend has continued over the past few months.

As more migrants are blocked at the American border and more undocumented immigrants are deported from the United States, border communities in Mexico could be overwhelmed, migrant shelters could overflow, the ranks of the unemployed could swell, and Mexico will bear the strain, officials and advocates say.

“It’s worrying us,” said Christopher Gascon, chief of the Mexico office for the International Organization for Migration. “How Mexico can handle that is going to be a whole new area of concern. I don’t think the absorptive capacity is there.”

Even before this week, Mexico was facing extraordinary migration pressures. The waves of Central Americans heading north were severely testing Mexico’s border patrol in the south of the country and led to a sharp increase in the number of people applying for asylum in Mexico, with applications more than doubling from 2015 to 2016.

Mexican officials were also scrambling to develop a strategy in case Mr. Trump made good on his promises to increase deportations of undocumented immigrants, a population that includes millions of Mexicans. An intergovernmental group began on Monday to study ways to help integrate deportees into Mexican society.

Beyond that, recent changes in American policy during the Obama administration had already contributed to the surge in Haitian migrants, as well as to a separate wave of Cuban migrants. Thousands of Cubans found themselves stranded in Mexico and Central America this month after the Obama administration ended a longstanding policy that favored Cubans.

Under American pressure, President Enrique Peña Nieto of Mexico had been trying to stanch the flow of migrants heading through his country, starting the Southern Border Program in 2014 in an attempt to control the movement of people and goods crossing the border with Guatemala. The plan contributed to a doubling of deportations between 2013, before it was enacted, and 2016. Nearly all the deportees in recent years have been from Central America.

But the country’s borders remain highly porous. The International Organization for Migration estimates that between 400,000 and 500,000 undocumented migrants transit through the country every year, about 90 percent of them Central Americans.

Here in the state of Baja California, the migrant crisis has highlighted the Mexican government’s limited capacity to deal with the challenges.

Haitian migrants, traveling from Brazil, began arriving in this border city last spring. For a while, the Haitians had little trouble crossing into the United States. In recognition of the troubles in Haiti following the 2010 earthquake there, American border officials allowed undocumented Haitians to enter under a humanitarian parole provision, with permission to stay for as long as three years.

The migrants filled the handful of longstanding migrant shelters and cheap hotels in Tijuana while they waited, often for weeks, for their appointments with American border officials.

Then in late September, the Obama administration suddenly announced that it was fully resuming the deportations of Haitians, hoping the policy change would dissuade more Haitians from migrating. Still, the Haitians kept coming.

As the Haitian migrant population has ballooned — there are now about 4,500 Haitians in Tijuana and elsewhere in northern Baja California — the Mexican authorities have resisted pleas to open a government-run emergency shelter.

More than 30 shelters are providing for the Haitians, yet none are government-run. Most of the burden of sheltering, feeding, clothing and caring for the nonstop stream of Haitians has fallen to civil society groups and individuals, who have accused the government of doing too little too late.

This month, a coalition of the main shelters in Tijuana and Mexicali sent a letter to Mr. Peña Nieto demanding a more robust federal “intervention” to address the crisis. The shelters have yet to receive a reply, they said.

Advocacy and humanitarian groups in Tijuana filed a complaint this week with the National Human Rights Commission alleging that federal officials had violated the migrants’ human rights “in a widespread and repeated manner” by failing to address the crisis.

Federal officials have rejected the criticism that they have been neglectful.

“Is there room to do more? Yes,” Rodulfo Figueroa Pacheco, chief of the Baja California office of the federal migration agency, said in an interview last week, before the complaint was filed. “It’s been a struggle.”

“But,” he added, “it isn’t true that the governments have been unresponsive.”

The crisis, now in its ninth month, has been a crushing burden on the shelters.

The migrant population at one longstanding shelter, Movimiento Juventud 2000, with capacity for about 25 people, soared to about 250, many of them living in donated tents in an adjoining lot that becomes a swale of mud when it rains.

Iglesia Cristiana Embajadores de Jesus, a church situated in a denuded ravine on the western edge of Tijuana, was sheltering hundreds of people even though it was not connected to the municipal water supply and had to refill its tanks with a water truck.

Administrators at Desayunador Salesiano Padre Chava, which had for years served as a soup kitchen, repurposed nearly the entire building, including corridors and the pantry, into a sprawling dormitory that at one point housed more than 500 people.

Claudia Portela, coordinator of Padre Chava, which recently opened a smaller second shelter, estimates that donations have provided for 98 percent of their needs during the crisis.

Government officials, while acknowledging that the bulk of the humanitarian assistance has come from civil society, insist that they have provided crucial services but have been sorely limited by budgets that were already under strain amid Mexico’s economic malaise.

“Our deployment has been very, very small,” Mr. Figueroa said. “Institutional capacities are not as robust as we’d like.” But despite the limitations, he said, government agencies had donated more than $280,000, about 445,000 meals, thousands of blankets, hundreds of mattresses and many other goods and services since late October.

State and federal officials, he said, were still discussing the possibility of opening a shelter, but the proposal raised difficult practical and philosophical questions.

“Will we be building something we can’t unbuild?” he said.

Ad hoc networks of humanitarian groups have scrambled to help.

“For me, the worst part is the omission of the federal government,” said Soraya Vazquez, one of nine women who run the Comité Estratégico de Ayuda Humanitaria Tijuana, a local group formed in September. “The government has to recognize it as a humanitarian crisis.”

On a recent morning, she and her colleague, Adriana Reyna, jumped into Ms. Reyna’s sport utility vehicle and took a tour of several shelters in Tijuana to assess their needs.

At Iglesia Cristiana Embajadores de Jesus, the church in the ravine, a 1½-year-old Haitian girl had fallen. Her parents worried she had fractured a bone. So the women drove the child and her father to a nearby clinic where they arranged for a free evaluation, then swung by a pharmacy to pick up some medicine to treat the pain and swelling.

At another shelter, the women lined up doctor’s appointments for a man with an infected leg wound and for two migrants who were experiencing complications with their pregnancies. They also strategized about setting up a piñata workshop that would give migrants employment.

A message arrived, saying that an art-house cinema had about 30 pillows to donate. With a phone call, the women found a taker: a shelter in central Tijuana.

At Iglesia Central del Nazareno, which had been converted into a shelter, the coordinator asked the women whether they had heard anything new about how Haitian migrants were being received at the United States border. Were they being deported?

It was the day after Mr. Trump’s inauguration, and rumors were flying.

“I hope they’ll all be able to cross. I hope they’ll be O.K.,” said the coordinator, Ruth Gaxiola, fighting back tears. She looked exhausted. Ms. Vazquez opened her arms, and the women embraced.
 

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Damn those Haitians! We have several hundred thousand here, overwhelmingly productive members of society and family oriented people...keep pumping your narrative jackass...YA YOU! JACKASS!
 

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The Pew Research Center estimated there were 11.3 million unauthorized immigrants in 2014.

He pointed us to another report by the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.
Households led by undocumented immigrants received about $85 billion a year in benefits in 2010, according to the report.

That report also takes into account expenses tied to some U.S. citizens -- about 4 million children born in the United States to parents living in the country illegally.

Trump should annex Canada and send the illegals there...

oh that's right, you wouldn't even take those hollywood liberal pos's that said they would leave if Trump won...

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/index.asp

Trump should annex Canada and send the liberals there...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ar-highest-number-since-1971/article32102991/
The arrival of Syrian refugees, which began in November, 2015, partly explains the increase. At last count, Canada had welcomed 30,862 refugees, with thousands more still to be processed (Statscan’s count includes Syrian refugees in its broader category of immigrants).

another 30k in 2016 ?...and another 30k in 2017 ?...
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/welcome/milestones.asp

Here's a map that let's you pinpoint the Syrian refugees...isn't that nice...
How long until they're in the US ?
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/welcome/map.asp

We will have to build a wall to keep out the Canadian terrorists...

Maybe you should take note of what's happening to Sweden...
http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...weden-immigration-refugees-ami-horowitz-video
 
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Trump should annex Canada and send the illegals there...

oh that's right, you wouldn't even take those hollywood liberal pos's that said they would leave if Trump won...

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/index.asp

Trump should annex Canada and send the liberals there...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ar-highest-number-since-1971/article32102991/
The arrival of Syrian refugees, which began in November, 2015, partly explains the increase. At last count, Canada had welcomed 30,862 refugees, with thousands more still to be processed (Statscan’s count includes Syrian refugees in its broader category of immigrants).

another 30k in 2016 ?...and another 30k in 2017 ?...
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/welcome/milestones.asp

Here's a map that let's you pinpoint the Syrian refugees...isn't that nice...
How long until they're in the US ?
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/welcome/map.asp

We will have to build a wall to keep out the Canadian terrorists...

Maybe you should take note of what's happening to Sweden...
http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...weden-immigration-refugees-ami-horowitz-video
The Pew Research Center estimated there were 11.3 million unauthorized immigrants in 2014.

He pointed us to another report by the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.
Households led by undocumented immigrants received about $85 billion a year in benefits in 2010, according to the report.

That report also takes into account expenses tied to some U.S. citizens -- about 4 million children born in the United States to parents living in the country illegally.

Trump should annex Canada and send the illegals there...

oh that's right, you wouldn't even take those hollywood liberal pos's that said they would leave if Trump won...

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/index.asp

Trump should annex Canada and send the liberals there...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ar-highest-number-since-1971/article32102991/
The arrival of Syrian refugees, which began in November, 2015, partly explains the increase. At last count, Canada had welcomed 30,862 refugees, with thousands more still to be processed (Statscan’s count includes Syrian refugees in its broader category of immigrants).

another 30k in 2016 ?...and another 30k in 2017 ?...
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/welcome/milestones.asp

Here's a map that let's you pinpoint the Syrian refugees...isn't that nice...
How long until they're in the US ?
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/welcome/map.asp

We will have to build a wall to keep out the Canadian terrorists...

Maybe you should take note of what's happening to Sweden...
http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...weden-immigration-refugees-ami-horowitz-video
You build that ******* wall clown shoes....all the while you and your ilk will fabricate a false narrative year over year, the terrorists from Canada! LMFAO you f'n douche bag twitter *****....GO **** YOURSELF BRIETBART BOY! Your Prez is a dirtbag born loser. How ya like them apples? Annex Canada? Come get it mother ******!
 

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wait 'til the Syrians start gang raping your women...

you'll be the one crying...

if you aren't already...


I've never been to breitbart... Canuck...
 
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wait the Syrians start gang raping your women...

you'll be the one crying...

if you aren't already...
No crying here dirtball only doing our part to make the world a better place....Your Prez is a **** head dirtbag.. I would love to kick the **** outta him if given the chance.
 

torontoeers

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wait 'til the Syrians start gang raping your women...

you'll be the one crying...

if you aren't already...


I've never been to breitbart... Canuck...
The next post you make on Sid , Murray or anyone else I'm gonna personally shove it up your ***....

It's actually very cathartic telling you where the hell to go you jackass...who's been in Haiti trying to help them through what has been hell for years and years CANADA you miserable POS! Yet you keep on keepin on Brietbart. 2 Syrian families in my local small town that the community has embraced and they have been through HELL as well...you would have us shoot them on sight. You are a piece of work...
 

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....Your Prez is a **** head dirtbag.. I would love to kick the **** outta him if given the chance.
 

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Damn those Haitians! We have several hundred thousand here, overwhelmingly productive members of society and family oriented people...keep pumping your narrative jackass...YA YOU! JACKASS!

Toronto. Let me ask you a question. Do countries have sovereignty? Are countries allowed to control their borders so that they know and approve new arrivals? There is a great reason for this control. Countries can do medical checks to ensure no infections diseases. Countries can do criminal background checks to ensure that dangerous people are not permitted into the country. Should the US simply let anyone who wants to come, enter the country? If we actually enforce our laws, are we racist and xenophobic?

Lastly, would you be ok if we transferred all the illegal immigrants currently in the U.S into Canada. See it is pretty easy for you since you Canada does not face this issue. I, know, for example, that Canada controls its immigration quite nicely.
 
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Toronto. Let me ask you a question. Do countries have sovereignty? Are countries allowed to control their borders so that they know and approve new arrivals? There is a great reason for this control. Countries can do medical checks to ensure no infections diseases. Countries can do criminal background checks to ensure that dangerous people are not permitted into the country. Should the US simply let anyone who wants to come, enter the country? If we actually enforce our laws, are we racist and xenophobic?

Lastly, would you be ok if we transferred all the illegal immigrants currently in the U.S into Canada. See it is pretty easy for you since you Canada does not face this issue. I, know, for example, that Canada controls its immigration quite nicely.

Only two things come out of Canada, steers and ******. Torontoeers doesn't look bovine, does he.
 

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No crying here dirtball only doing our part to make the world a better place....Your Prez is a **** head dirtbag.. I would love to kick the **** outta him if given the chance.

Canada profits from the fact that we like you guys, I always like inferiors, it makes me feel more important, and we protect those we like.
 

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Only two things come out of Canada, steers and ******. Torontoeers doesn't look bovine, does he.

Toronto wrote:

"Damn those Haitians! We have several hundred thousand here, overwhelmingly productive members of society and family oriented people...keep pumping your narrative jackass...YA YOU! JACKASS!"

I can guarantee you that Canada thoroughly vetted any Haitian immigrants. Toronto apparently doesn't want to afford the U.S. that same ability. Who's the jackass?

Canada has a real good handled on who enters their country and he mocks the U.S. for wanting to do exact the same vetting.
 

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Toronto wrote:

"Damn those Haitians! We have several hundred thousand here, overwhelmingly productive members of society and family oriented people...keep pumping your narrative jackass...YA YOU! JACKASS!"

I can guarantee you that Canada thoroughly vetted any Haitian immigrants. Toronto apparently doesn't want to afford the U.S. that same ability. Who's the jackass?

Canada has a real good handled on who enters their country and he mocks the U.S. for wanting to do exact the same vetting.

People don't want to go to canada like they do to the US. It's apples to persimmons,
 

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People don't want to go to canada like they do to the US. It's apples to persimmons,

I actually love Canada, but you're correct. The U.S. is the magnet. But Canada. faces no where near our problems. They don't have uncontrolled borders. They are a country of around 35M people. Imagine 11,000,000 migrants flowing into their country unchecked. I think Toronto's message would be quite a bit different. It is so easy sitting on the sidelines and away from the problems to lecture.
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/...grants-haitians-trump-wall.html?smid=tw-share

TIJUANA, Mexico — Even before President Trump decided to build the wall, this Mexican border city was already overwhelmed.

So many Haitian migrants, traveling across the Americas, began arriving here last year with hopes of crossing into the United States that churches, community halls, after-school programs, rehabilitation centers and private citizens have opened their doors to house, feed and clothe them.

In one shelter, about 250 migrants — men, women and children — share two toilets and one shower. Four hundred are crammed into a church. A soup kitchen sleeps hundreds in hallways, a pantry and a lot out back.

Now, some officials and advocates worry that Mr. Trump’s plan could spur immigration crises in towns and cities all along the border and, indeed, throughout Mexico.

The Mexican government, they say, may not be able to handle it.

Mr. Trump is seeking to tighten the border, restrict immigration and increase deportations from the United States. In announcing his actions this week, the president said they would “help Mexico by deterring illegal immigration.”

“Going to be very, very good for Mexico,” he declared.

Yet some international officials and advocates envision a potential nightmare for the country.

A growing number of people have been streaming north from Central America, fleeing violence and poverty in their homelands. Nearly 409,000 were caught trying to cross the southwestern border of the United States illegally in the 2016 fiscal year, a 23 percent increase over the previous fiscal year, according to American government statistics. And the trend has continued over the past few months.

As more migrants are blocked at the American border and more undocumented immigrants are deported from the United States, border communities in Mexico could be overwhelmed, migrant shelters could overflow, the ranks of the unemployed could swell, and Mexico will bear the strain, officials and advocates say.

“It’s worrying us,” said Christopher Gascon, chief of the Mexico office for the International Organization for Migration. “How Mexico can handle that is going to be a whole new area of concern. I don’t think the absorptive capacity is there.”

Even before this week, Mexico was facing extraordinary migration pressures. The waves of Central Americans heading north were severely testing Mexico’s border patrol in the south of the country and led to a sharp increase in the number of people applying for asylum in Mexico, with applications more than doubling from 2015 to 2016.

Mexican officials were also scrambling to develop a strategy in case Mr. Trump made good on his promises to increase deportations of undocumented immigrants, a population that includes millions of Mexicans. An intergovernmental group began on Monday to study ways to help integrate deportees into Mexican society.

Beyond that, recent changes in American policy during the Obama administration had already contributed to the surge in Haitian migrants, as well as to a separate wave of Cuban migrants. Thousands of Cubans found themselves stranded in Mexico and Central America this month after the Obama administration ended a longstanding policy that favored Cubans.

Under American pressure, President Enrique Peña Nieto of Mexico had been trying to stanch the flow of migrants heading through his country, starting the Southern Border Program in 2014 in an attempt to control the movement of people and goods crossing the border with Guatemala. The plan contributed to a doubling of deportations between 2013, before it was enacted, and 2016. Nearly all the deportees in recent years have been from Central America.

But the country’s borders remain highly porous. The International Organization for Migration estimates that between 400,000 and 500,000 undocumented migrants transit through the country every year, about 90 percent of them Central Americans.

Here in the state of Baja California, the migrant crisis has highlighted the Mexican government’s limited capacity to deal with the challenges.

Haitian migrants, traveling from Brazil, began arriving in this border city last spring. For a while, the Haitians had little trouble crossing into the United States. In recognition of the troubles in Haiti following the 2010 earthquake there, American border officials allowed undocumented Haitians to enter under a humanitarian parole provision, with permission to stay for as long as three years.

The migrants filled the handful of longstanding migrant shelters and cheap hotels in Tijuana while they waited, often for weeks, for their appointments with American border officials.

Then in late September, the Obama administration suddenly announced that it was fully resuming the deportations of Haitians, hoping the policy change would dissuade more Haitians from migrating. Still, the Haitians kept coming.

As the Haitian migrant population has ballooned — there are now about 4,500 Haitians in Tijuana and elsewhere in northern Baja California — the Mexican authorities have resisted pleas to open a government-run emergency shelter.

More than 30 shelters are providing for the Haitians, yet none are government-run. Most of the burden of sheltering, feeding, clothing and caring for the nonstop stream of Haitians has fallen to civil society groups and individuals, who have accused the government of doing too little too late.

This month, a coalition of the main shelters in Tijuana and Mexicali sent a letter to Mr. Peña Nieto demanding a more robust federal “intervention” to address the crisis. The shelters have yet to receive a reply, they said.

Advocacy and humanitarian groups in Tijuana filed a complaint this week with the National Human Rights Commission alleging that federal officials had violated the migrants’ human rights “in a widespread and repeated manner” by failing to address the crisis.

Federal officials have rejected the criticism that they have been neglectful.

“Is there room to do more? Yes,” Rodulfo Figueroa Pacheco, chief of the Baja California office of the federal migration agency, said in an interview last week, before the complaint was filed. “It’s been a struggle.”

“But,” he added, “it isn’t true that the governments have been unresponsive.”

The crisis, now in its ninth month, has been a crushing burden on the shelters.

The migrant population at one longstanding shelter, Movimiento Juventud 2000, with capacity for about 25 people, soared to about 250, many of them living in donated tents in an adjoining lot that becomes a swale of mud when it rains.

Iglesia Cristiana Embajadores de Jesus, a church situated in a denuded ravine on the western edge of Tijuana, was sheltering hundreds of people even though it was not connected to the municipal water supply and had to refill its tanks with a water truck.

Administrators at Desayunador Salesiano Padre Chava, which had for years served as a soup kitchen, repurposed nearly the entire building, including corridors and the pantry, into a sprawling dormitory that at one point housed more than 500 people.

Claudia Portela, coordinator of Padre Chava, which recently opened a smaller second shelter, estimates that donations have provided for 98 percent of their needs during the crisis.

Government officials, while acknowledging that the bulk of the humanitarian assistance has come from civil society, insist that they have provided crucial services but have been sorely limited by budgets that were already under strain amid Mexico’s economic malaise.

“Our deployment has been very, very small,” Mr. Figueroa said. “Institutional capacities are not as robust as we’d like.” But despite the limitations, he said, government agencies had donated more than $280,000, about 445,000 meals, thousands of blankets, hundreds of mattresses and many other goods and services since late October.

State and federal officials, he said, were still discussing the possibility of opening a shelter, but the proposal raised difficult practical and philosophical questions.

“Will we be building something we can’t unbuild?” he said.

Ad hoc networks of humanitarian groups have scrambled to help.

“For me, the worst part is the omission of the federal government,” said Soraya Vazquez, one of nine women who run the Comité Estratégico de Ayuda Humanitaria Tijuana, a local group formed in September. “The government has to recognize it as a humanitarian crisis.”

On a recent morning, she and her colleague, Adriana Reyna, jumped into Ms. Reyna’s sport utility vehicle and took a tour of several shelters in Tijuana to assess their needs.

At Iglesia Cristiana Embajadores de Jesus, the church in the ravine, a 1½-year-old Haitian girl had fallen. Her parents worried she had fractured a bone. So the women drove the child and her father to a nearby clinic where they arranged for a free evaluation, then swung by a pharmacy to pick up some medicine to treat the pain and swelling.

At another shelter, the women lined up doctor’s appointments for a man with an infected leg wound and for two migrants who were experiencing complications with their pregnancies. They also strategized about setting up a piñata workshop that would give migrants employment.

A message arrived, saying that an art-house cinema had about 30 pillows to donate. With a phone call, the women found a taker: a shelter in central Tijuana.

At Iglesia Central del Nazareno, which had been converted into a shelter, the coordinator asked the women whether they had heard anything new about how Haitian migrants were being received at the United States border. Were they being deported?

It was the day after Mr. Trump’s inauguration, and rumors were flying.

“I hope they’ll all be able to cross. I hope they’ll be O.K.,” said the coordinator, Ruth Gaxiola, fighting back tears. She looked exhausted. Ms. Vazquez opened her arms, and the women embraced.

I am coming to the conclusion that you are a racist. You go from Haitains crossing the boarder to Syrians raping ...
 

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I am coming to the conclusion that you are a racist. You go from Haitains crossing the boarder to Syrians raping ...

I am numb to the accusations of racism anymore. It is thrown around so loosely, mainly by liberals, that it has, for me, lost all meaning. You don't know what is anyone's heart. And to cry racism, as many do at the drop of a hat (e.g. simply because we want to control our border) is meant to stop debate and engender media sympathy. It is so corrosive to our society. I am not accusing you of constantly crying racism, but many of your liberal colleagues do exactly that. This constant barrage will only succeed in hiding the true racists since no one will believe the accuser any longer.
 

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we have a right to say how many immigrants can come into our country, when and how many.

Canada has demonstrated that over the years. But Torontoeer apparently does not want the United States to have the right and/or the moral authority to enforce their immigration laws.
 
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Canada has demonstrated that over the years. But Torontoeer apparently does not want the United States to have enforce their immigration laws.

We need to charge canadians a tax for living off of our might.
 

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Mexico rebukes Israel over Netanyahu wall tweet


Mexico's government on Saturday rebuked Israel for a tweet by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that appeared to applaud U.S. President Donald Trump's plan to build a border wall with Mexico to keep out illegal immigrants.

Earlier on Saturday, Netanyahu tweeted: "President Trump is right. I built a wall along Israel's southern border. It stopped all illegal immigration. Great success. Great idea."

The comment was swiftly rejected by leaders of the Jewish community in Mexico, and prompted an unusually blunt statement from Mexico's foreign ministry.

"The Foreign Ministry expressed to the government of Israel, via its ambassador in Mexico, its profound astonishment, rejection and disappointment over Prime Minister Netanyahu's message on Twitter about the construction of a border wall.

"Mexico is a friend of Israel and should be treated as such by its Prime Minister," the ministry said, noting Foreign Minister Luis Videgaray had only on Friday expressed his deep affection for Israel in an event marking Holocaust memorial day.

Israel's Haaretz newspaper reported that the Prime Minister's office later issued a statement saying Netanyahu was not trying to voice an opinion on U.S.-Mexican relations.

Mexico's government and Trump have been locked in a bitter dispute over his election campaign promise to build a wall on the U.S. southern border that he says Mexico will foot the bill for. Mexico has repeatedly said it will not pay for the wall.

The Central Committee of the Jewish Community in Mexico issued a statement saying it "forcefully rejected" Netanyahu's comment, while several prominent Mexicans of Jewish origin sharply criticized the Israeli leader on Twitter.

"So you like walls @netanyahu? Here you have a couple of nice designs," said one, Mony de Swaan, a former head of the Mexican telecommunications regulator, posting images of walls commemorating Bergen-Belsen, the Nazi concentration camp where diarist Anne Frank died, and the Warsaw Ghetto.

Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto on Thursday canceled a visit to meet Trump next week after the American advised him to forgo the trip if he was not willing to pay for the wall.

In a call on Friday morning, the leaders pledged to work out their differences, and the Mexican government said the two had agreed not to discuss the issue of payment for now.
 

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"So you like walls @netanyahu? Here you have a couple of nice designs," said one, Mony de Swaan, a former head of the Mexican telecommunications regulator, posting images of walls commemorating Bergen-Belsen, the Nazi concentration camp where diarist Anne Frank died, and the Warsaw Ghetto.
Wowsers!
 

torontoeers

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Canada has demonstrated that over the years. But Torontoeer apparently does not want the United States to have the right and/or the moral authority to enforce their immigration laws.
You can do whatever you like...whether I agree with it or not. Quite obviously. And I assure you PATX we are taking well more than our fair share now...happy to do it , I have faith in our vetting process, and we will live with the consequences of our actions.
 

Airport

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I ask you for NOTHING tough guy...mark that down...burn it into your pea sized brain. Go ahead cast us to the wolves!

Just yanking our chain. We have a condo in Myrtle Beach, rent to as many Canadians as we can.
 

wvu2007

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You build that ****ing wall clown shoes....all the while you and your ilk will fabricate a false narrative year over year, the terrorists from Canada! LMFAO you f'n douche bag twitter *****....GO **** YOURSELF BRIETBART BOY! Your Prez is a dirtbag born loser. How ya like them apples? Annex Canada? Come get it mother ****er!

Trigger Level 2481

You mad doe bro? Oh you mad lol
 

WVUCOOPER

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I am numb to the accusations of racism anymore. It is thrown around so loosely, mainly by liberals, that it has, for me, lost all meaning. You don't know what is anyone's heart. And to cry racism, as many do at the drop of a hat (e.g. simply because we want to control our border) is meant to stop debate and engender media sympathy. It is so corrosive to our society. I am not accusing you of constantly crying racism, but many of your liberal colleagues do exactly that. This constant barrage will only succeed in hiding the true racists since no one will believe the accuser any longer.
Agreed, but 82 is. I don't know how anyone denies that about him or Bob. That said, people way, way, way over call people racists just because they disagree on policies. It's like the old boy who cried wolf story.
 

WVPATX

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You can do whatever you like...whether I agree with it or not. Quite obviously. And I assure you PATX we are taking well more than our fair share now...happy to do it , I have faith in our vetting process, and we will live with the consequences of our actions.

But you are taking immigrants through your legal processes. That is something you don't seem to comprehend. We would like to do the same. And your snide remark's indicate a disagreement with our ability to control our borders unlike Canada.

And when you have as many dead people from terrorist as we do, then you'll have some sort of equal authority upon which to speak about this topic regarding American actions. Easy to sit in your easy chair in Toronto and safety while thousands of Americans have died at the hands of terrorists.
 
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torontoeers

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http://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3957686

I don't sit in an easy chair my friend I assure you...if my remarks came off as snide (yes I know I went a bit too far further up the thread), that is not my intention. Terrorism does rear it's ugly head here as well...hopefully things settle down.
 

WVPATX

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http://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3957686

I don't sit in an easy chair my friend I assure you...if my remarks came off as snide (yes I know I went a bit too far further up the thread), that is not my intention. Terrorism does rear it's ugly head here as well...hopefully things settle down.

I read about that horrible shooting this morning. I only wish that America could control its borders as well as Canada controls its borders. And to be honest with you, because of our standing in the world, we are a much greater target for terrorist acts than Canada. Canadians are far too nice to attack anyway, LOL.