That is ridiculous. When will we not live and die by the 3 ball? We took 58 shots from the field and 29 were 3 pointers. Stans needs to get someone to help him with a real offense this off-season. And it's not like we were down by a bunch and had to shoot 3 pointers to catch up..
Half of our shots were 3 pointers Saturday.
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That is ridiculous. When will we not live and die by the 3 ball? We took 58 shots from the field and 29 were 3 pointers. Stans needs to get someone to help him with a real offense this off-season. And it's not like we were down by a bunch and had to shoot 3 pointers to catch up..
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Renardo loves to shoot from downtown. Stans has failed to implement a half court offense and it was even more evident Saturday.
Now that Greg is gone, Stans gets a free pass on a team that badly under-achieved once again. There will be no changes to the coaching staff and
next year we will once again live and die by the damn 3 ball.
Now that Greg is gone, Stans gets a free pass on a team that badly under-achieved once again. There will be no changes to the coaching staff and
next year we will once again live and die by the damn 3 ball.
And you will keep being a smart-***, I get it.
I just don't see how you can think it is a good idea for our team to have the Standsaround "Motion offense". We need a half court offense that does not rely on shooting half of your shots from the 3 point line. You can and will not consistently win basketball games with a church league offense.
Stans does a pretty good job on defense, but he still has no clue on how to implement an offense.</p>
I just don't see how you can think it is a good idea for our team to have the Standsaround "Motion offense". We need a half court offense that does not rely on shooting half of your shots from the 3 point line. You can and will not consistently win basketball games with a church league offense.
Stans does a pretty good job on defense, but he still has no clue on how to implement an offense.</p>
Hell I have said many of times over this past season that I wish Stansbury would be forced to change some assistants, and come up with some sort of decent looking offense. Forgive me for not thinking that getting on sixpackspeak everyday and posting the exact same argument over and over is going to force some sort of change.
Glad to hear you agree. I have not posted in several days and thought it would an interesting stat from our loss to UNC.
Here are a few more stats.......
09-10 44.45% of fg's were 3 pointers vs 31.79% for our opponents
08-09 39.79% of fg's were 3 pointers vs 30.53% for our opponents
07-08 36.58% of fg's were 3 pointers vs 35.14% for our opponents
MSU lives and dies by the 3 ball. Why?
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Here are a few more stats.......
09-10 44.45% of fg's were 3 pointers vs 31.79% for our opponents
08-09 39.79% of fg's were 3 pointers vs 30.53% for our opponents
07-08 36.58% of fg's were 3 pointers vs 35.14% for our opponents
MSU lives and dies by the 3 ball. Why?
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I guess because of the players he has there right now. You see what happens when they try and go into the paint. I am hoping Bailey and Sidney will at least give us some muscle down low next year
Post of the year?Hanmudog said:
Anyway Fish, did we shoot too many 3's when we had Webster, Jackson, Austin, Roberts, or Rhodes? Shooting that many 3's is actually not typical of a Stansbury team until last year. So maybe it has a little to do w/ the fact that we don't have a good low post scorer and normally play four guys that are really good 3 pt shooters (3 guys actually) that are incapable of putting the ball on the floor and getting to the rim. That ever occur to you? Probably not, but since it has been brought to our attention recently that you have a slight case of mild retardation, I'll cut you some slack for not having the cognitive ability to realize why we might take more shots from the perimeter
We have a 6-7 man rotation with no bench this year. JV is only 225 pounds and he has no backup that can score or rebound well. Ravern is 175 pounds and gets tossed around down low like a rag doll. Our point guard, Bost cannot drive to the goal and score or dish off consistently. Kodi and Osby are marginal rebounders, marginal at defense. Banging it down low causes fatigue. (feel free to quote me) So we play soft and around the perimeter due to lack of depth. Its emphasized moreso this year than others due to injuries to Bailey and not having Sydney.
Notice how the Tarheel's bench was huge for them against us. Notice how UK's bench is getting them 20+ points. It means their top 5 don't have to make it happen every night. Our top 4 had to make it happen every night. Every damn night baby. Name one center in the SEC that has to play almost40 minutes a game like JV had to, doing the bulk of the rebounding and blocking shots for his teammates that can't play great D. No wonder he was worn out.
Our strengths this year were transition up tempo game pace and outside shooting most of the time.
Maybe its just me but all of the above makes it obvious why we jacked up the 3's so much. People think we underachieved with this team, I think its obvious we did the best we had to work with and overachieved. Over realistic expectations show me that many folks are over emotional or just don't know basketball like they should. I've said this a while about MSU basketball fans... the average Kentucky fan has a much better analysis of our team than the average MSU fan. Most MSU fans, not all, still see basketball on the surface only.
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Notice how the Tarheel's bench was huge for them against us. Notice how UK's bench is getting them 20+ points. It means their top 5 don't have to make it happen every night. Our top 4 had to make it happen every night. Every damn night baby. Name one center in the SEC that has to play almost40 minutes a game like JV had to, doing the bulk of the rebounding and blocking shots for his teammates that can't play great D. No wonder he was worn out.
Our strengths this year were transition up tempo game pace and outside shooting most of the time.
Maybe its just me but all of the above makes it obvious why we jacked up the 3's so much. People think we underachieved with this team, I think its obvious we did the best we had to work with and overachieved. Over realistic expectations show me that many folks are over emotional or just don't know basketball like they should. I've said this a while about MSU basketball fans... the average Kentucky fan has a much better analysis of our team than the average MSU fan. Most MSU fans, not all, still see basketball on the surface only.
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06-07 season we shot 37.42% of our shots from 3 point land.whatever said:
The trend is there, we have no offense. Swat was our only low post threat, why? Kodi actually has a pretty good low post game, we just never see it, why?Ravern, Randy and Bost are pretty good at taking it to the rim by penetrating or pulling up for a mid-range jumper, why don't we see more of that? Coaching, or lackthereof. There are other ways to utilize you players besides the 3 point shot, it's just too bad we don't have a coach who knows how to run a real offensive set.
...we shoot so many threes. Stansbury didnt just forget how to coach. He is playing with what he has right now
02-03... 29.8 % 3's
03-04... 31.6% 3's
04-05... 30.1% 3's
05-06... 31.6% 3's
Pretty sure we had the same coach in these years. What was the difference? We had better and more physical low post players to go along w/ guards who were quick enough, physical enough, and good enough finishers to get to the rim. We don't have either of those the last two years, but I wouldn't expect someone with an agenda to realize that.
03-04... 31.6% 3's
04-05... 30.1% 3's
05-06... 31.6% 3's
Pretty sure we had the same coach in these years. What was the difference? We had better and more physical low post players to go along w/ guards who were quick enough, physical enough, and good enough finishers to get to the rim. We don't have either of those the last two years, but I wouldn't expect someone with an agenda to realize that.
would have rather seen a 3 than have Barry get rejected on that drive to the basket<div>
</div><div>fish, we would be 7-30 this year if you were coaching, driving the lane, feeding the post and shooting 12 3's a game with that crew that Stansbury had out there.</div><div>
</div><div>***** about Stansbury's personnel that he recruited, but please quit fooling yourself that he had a choice on offense.</div>
</div><div>fish, we would be 7-30 this year if you were coaching, driving the lane, feeding the post and shooting 12 3's a game with that crew that Stansbury had out there.</div><div>
</div><div>***** about Stansbury's personnel that he recruited, but please quit fooling yourself that he had a choice on offense.</div>
nobody complained about our qty. of 3's when he had robert jackson, mario austin, lawrence roberts, charles rhodes<div>
</div><div>he didn't have an inside game or anyone that could get to the basket and finish - he had to fire threes (or have 25 losses).</div>
</div><div>he didn't have an inside game or anyone that could get to the basket and finish - he had to fire threes (or have 25 losses).</div>
up on C34's post, and he drops a huge turd. Oh well, at least he tried. Maybe he'll now just go back to fanning the stink off of C34's posts with his "hallelujah" replies
Shooting 33% from 3 is same as shooting 50% from 2. With 3-4 175lb shooters on the floor it made more sense that we took open 3's instead of driving or challenging the rim. Combine that with the fact that our post player weighed about 215 and couldn't maintain any position in the post and the result is a lot of 3's.</p>
Vs. North Carolina...<div>We shot 11-29 (37.9%) from outside the arc, which leaves 13-29 (44.8%) from inside the arc. 37.9% in 3-pointers is as good as 56.8% in 2-pointers (1.5*37.9 = 56.8). Since 56.8>44.8, it made sense to continue shooting 3s.</div><div>
</div><div>For the season...</div><div>We shot 35.8% in 3-pt FG and 49.5% in 2-pt FG. Again, 35.8% in 3-pt FG is as good as shooting 53.7% in 2-pt FG. 53.7>49.5</div><div>
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</div><div>As long as our effective FG% on 3-pt FG is higher than our 2-pt FG%, we should continue to shoot 3-pointers. Like it or not, statistically speaking, it's the smart thing to do. Given our personnel, I don't mind that. Some of the individual shot selections, on the other hand, I have a problem with.</div>
</div><div>For the season...</div><div>We shot 35.8% in 3-pt FG and 49.5% in 2-pt FG. Again, 35.8% in 3-pt FG is as good as shooting 53.7% in 2-pt FG. 53.7>49.5</div><div>
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</div><div>As long as our effective FG% on 3-pt FG is higher than our 2-pt FG%, we should continue to shoot 3-pointers. Like it or not, statistically speaking, it's the smart thing to do. Given our personnel, I don't mind that. Some of the individual shot selections, on the other hand, I have a problem with.</div>
He has to have his ***** about Stansbury post or poll every day and those statistics on the three point shooting vs 2 point field goals will confuse him. We did what we did because we had to. and if under his theory Kodi is a low post player, then he certainly didn't do it much when he had a chance to. Coach and Fish are just two of the minute minority who would rather run off a good coach than accept the fact we have a good one. Maybe we could go get Cornell's coach. He made it to the sweet sixteen this year but check Cornell's record in the past 10 years, 5 straight losing seasons in the IVY league and we all know tha tleague is the bastion of college basketball conferences. Let it go or go check into a rehab center with coach and get on some meds.
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Ill go the obvious route and mention that he has who he has chosen to have.
Its not like he walked into this gig with these guys already on the team...he created the makeup of the team. Its almost as if the staff needs to bring in talent that fills our void.
Instead they are bringing in a 6'3 170lb guard.
Sidney has the size to balance the offense, but from what ive read, he plays like the rest of em. Another Kodi/Osby that hangs on the perimeter isnt needed.
Bingo.Uncle Leo said:
I hear dumping it into the post helps collapse the defense, whichthen opens up perimeter players for good looks when the ball is kicked back out.
...but we dont do that. An 8th grade team can master that, but we dont even get it into the post.
I am all for shooting 3s as long as it nets usmore points and they are smart shots. You can get a terrible look at a 3pterwith 4 seconds left in the shot clock, why are you taking itat 4 seconds into the shot clock?!?!
Open shotsresult in better attemptsand more makes.Unforced shots result in better attempts and more makes. Both would either bump our 3pt% up even more, or open up the post since perimeter defenders would have to stay honest.
Stans is the coach, he has never had a real offense. He calls his ofense the "motion"., it is the stand and shoot. Stans did not have a go to guy on this team to make up for his lack of an offense. In past years he had a J-Money, a LR, Mario, etc... He has no clue how to implement an offense without a go to player, he can't coach team ball om offense. We should have tried the dribble drive, or even actually had some motion with the current offense, set back screens, run the high low with SWAT and Kodi. It's not that freaking hard. Stand recruited the players on this team, he knew what he had and choose to run the stand and shoot, then we get hot and a big lead and the Stans Stall goes into effect...[b said:
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I give him all the credit as being a top defensive coach, but you have to admit he is very deficient on the offensive side of the ball. He signed his players, so he dealt his own hand. The problem is he had no go to guy o run the offense through like J-Money.
But Stans had his go to guy to run the offense through to make up for his lack of coaching on the offensive side of the ball. Stans signed our players, so he choose to shoot that many 3's.[b said:
but I would rather DS ban you over the C34-Girlz because it is so +*+@#!+ annoying that you can't figure out how to reply. 99.9% of your posts are out of place and are a pain to figure out where they go.. jesus it is NOT HARD
My point was he hasn't always been a coach where they just let it fly from 3 point land. And yes I know he recruited these guys, but I just don't think he recruited them all with the mind set that we would just Jack up 35+ 3s per game