The computer models were saying the 100k is if we continue on same path we're on. The worst case scenario were over a million dead in the US but that's only if we do nothing at all to prevent the spread. If we can get everyone on board with this thing, then it'll be way lower and over way sooner.
Hand wringing over nothing?
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The computer models were saying the 100k is if we continue on same path we're on. The worst case scenario were over a million dead in the US but that's only if we do nothing at all to prevent the spread. If we can get everyone on board with this thing, then it'll be way lower and over way sooner.
The pseudo virtue signaling was a nice touch.
Have they cancelled any abortions?
Really? Is that why we burned half the bill of rights in a couple of weeks? Over $2 trillion rescue bill At least half of it has left wing pork that has nothing to do with helping people? Emptying prisons? Media caring more about trashing Trump and making him look bad than public safety? Small businesses being forcibly closed many of them won't ever come back?
If the government comes to your house and hauls you off to the Gulag you're gonna sit there and smile and say at least we're keeping people safe? Talk about head up your ***. People better start asking how much we're going to tolerate and for how long
All the conservatives I know are taking this seriously and taking precautions but they're very concerned about individual liberty And what kind of country we're going to be when this ends because this will end
The Bill of Rights wasn’t burned, it has been suspended just as it was during WWII and the Civil War. The declaration of a national emergency creates the framework for that to happen.
$2.2T rescue bill that passed almost without any objection and was gladly signed by your guy.
Prisons are releasing people early who are already scheduled release to protect both the other prisoners and the staff that have to watch them.
Trump has created his own credibility problem and he gets rightly questioned when he says one thing and then the public health officials have to correct him. For weeks he downplayed the problem saying that it would magically disappear. The numbers would be near zero very soon...
To his credit he seems to now understand and is taking things more seriously. You on the other hand...
So half of the bill of rights was burned and your response has simply been to endlessly ***** about it on a message board dedicated to UK athletics?
If it were true that the bill of rights was disregarded (and it isn’t), then your behavior would make you a massive part of the problem.
If rights are so egregiously being violated as you assert, then put your money where your mouth is and file a lawsuit in Federal district court challenging the actions instead of endlessly whining about things here.
What do you think is gonna make some of these governors give back this newfound power that they've granted themselves. I have like less than 100 cases in my county in New Jersey and Murphy punishes everyone
You have 22,255 positive cases and 355 deaths in New Jersey and you want the Governor to exempt your county?
The powers aren’t governors and they didn’t grant them to themselves, Trump handed it to them. Once the national emergency declaration is lifted they lose their powers.
How many cases were in your county a week ago? How many do you think will be there next week? Do people not travel from county to county?
Nation wide we had 75 cases total on March 1st, by March 31 that grew to 190,000. How many cases they need in your county before it’s ok with you to shut things down? There are 22,255 positive cases in NJ...that number is doubling about every 4 days...your county with less than 100 could easily be close to 400 by this time next week...1500 in two weeks, 5000 in two weeks.
How many times do you have to be hit in the head to understand?
What county you live in?...I want to track the numbers.
Warren? Atlantic? Cumberland, Cape May or Salem?
Sussex is currently at 158 with 6 dead. The two counties to the east are both over 1000...Passaic has 1500 and you’re literally what, 40 miles from NYC???
well a lot of people live in NJ and in the city it's about 10 million in NJ and 9 or 10 million in NYC. So there's a lot of us in this metro area
But heres my honest opinion and I know most people don't agree. I don't have any appetite for the government telling me what I can and can't do. I don't want the government telling people who can work and who can't. Can't have church can't have gatherings etc. I am an adult and most of us are adults. We don't need to be led around by government officials or so called experts. If I want to go to the bar or the gym I know the risks! I can make decisions for myself. People who are really concerned have the choice to stay in or if they go out they know the risks too. It's called liberty. Every day you make choices in your life with a certain amount of risk calculation.
it's not really relevant to me whether this virus is as bad as they say or not. It seems to me that it's very contagious but not very deadly. I do know it's not worse than tyranny and that's whats going on. Has nothing to do with safety. It's a way to control people. I've never looked to the government to protect me from anything and I decided when this whole thing started I would not participate in this panic
I hope that in a timely manner they encourage young healthy people to go back to work and those that are elderly or compromised to stay in and everyone continue to take precautions. I understand to a degree that they wanted people to stay in for a couple weeks so hospitals weren't overwhelmed and I mostly did that when I wasn't working. But it doesn't seem like there's any end in sight to these restrictions on our freedom.
and not only is it wrong...it's madness to have a partial shutdown of an economy as big as ours for more than a couple weeks to a month. The suffering being inflicted economically is liable to make this virus into an afterthought. If you lose your business and can't feed your family who the hell is gonna say well... thank god I didn't get that corona virus ?
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Sounds like you probably hate drunk driving laws too.
There you go spreading fake news again. That is something CNN would do. Congratulation.
He's the kind of guy who rips the tag off his mattress, too. No government is gonna tell him what to do.
When choosing liberty or death, I'm surprised he hasn't chosen death yet.
You were the only one that got it... I think
I'm glad I got it... I think. I guess I could have gone over the cliff with the rest.
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Yeah, being called down by CB3UK is pretty telling.
Liberty is not and has never been unlimited. Want to drive 120 mph and swig moonshine? Your act of Liberty would potentially destroy the lives of others. And the government will stop you.
The positions you have taken on this and other threads are neither “conservative,” nor even “libertarian,” but are close to anarchist philosophy.
I put him on ignore. Literally every post was like Sean Hannity 2.0. Im extremely conservative. I dont want to read that crap in every post. This is exactly the same thing I say when the Matt Jones arguments pop up. Its not that I dont agree with his politics. Its that I dont want to hear about politics period when I listen to sports. And in this case, when Im on here to read about them. Even when I agree! Lol Shut the hell up about politics we are hear for football baseball and basketball!!
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Wouldn’t the worst case scenario be that every single American dies?
Far more people are going to die this year in car accidents than from the coronavirus. Why don’t we shut down our entire economy and stop people from driving? Would save a ton of lives.
On average, there are about 100 motor vehicle deaths per day in the US.
On Wednesday, there were about 1,000 COVID-19 deaths in the US.
I know ISIS (they still around?) would be cool with it.
There is a balance. When there isn’t a deadly virus making the rounds you get to go and do pretty much as you please. During that tiny portion of your life when your irresponsible actions could put you and others at risk they get to tell you to keep your *** at home.
See no it should be the other way around. Liberty is the choice. It's the answer to everything it works for everyone you have the freedom to stay in and you have the freedom to go out you know the risks and most of us are adults. We don't have to be led around by the government like ducklings.
And hell most people are working or you would have total anarchy so it's a moot point anyway it's just a way to control people, make your life miserable and ruin people economically they're doing a fine fking job
This is such an asinine argument and you know it.
Over 6000 Americans have died from the virus so far and most of that has come in the last week. Can you imagine if 3000 Americans died in about week from car accidents?
Are enforced speed limit laws infringing your freedoms and liberty? What about seat belt laws? Shouldn't you be able to not wear a seat belt if you feel like it without getting fined for it? Let's go ahead and repeal those DUI laws because people should have that choice if they want to drive while drunk.
Motor vehicle deaths used to be a lot higher than it is now days. But, because of government intervention, those numbers have gone down considerably. Are those enforced laws worth having to save lives or should they be removed in order to preserve liberty?
I thought that argument had been abandoned, as deaths both in the US and the world have been exceeding the auto fatality rate for several days, now.
In the US, it is at least 5 to 1, as about 100/105 americans die in auto fatalities, daily.
No right is absolute.
The data is clear, those states and countries where action was taken early have seen the best results.
Even with the safeguards in place many healthcare workers are being worked to the edge, add that 20% of the cases are healthcare workers who have caught the virus trying to help those who have fallen ill. Your selfishness and irresponsibility puts their lives at greater risk. The government is trying to protect them from people like you who obviously have no regard for their lives and wellbeing.
Like all those who believe in abortion on demand they believe in that liberty that kills 80,000 a day. Piss off maybe the government ought to focus on reducing that loss of life
Look at this latest one, everybody. It's barely even legible.
Libertarian is a helluva lot closer to anarchy than conservative
Trump has created no additional powers for governors. Their powers are often broader than Presidential powers under state constitutions and laws, especially in times of emergency. They retain such traditional powers as they would have held under colonial rule and the brief period of the Articles of Confederation, pursuant to the 10th Amendment.
Our “federal system” can be confusing: a President can only pardon those convicted of federal crimes; our governors can only pardon those convicted of crimes in their respective states.
The Presidency has emergency powers that are defined by precedent, much of which has gone largely unchallenged at the time of the emergency. Lincoln locked up tens of thousands for more than 3 years in Maryland, without a hearing.
If the perceived emergency is bad enough, the Courts have shown reluctance to address the issue, directly, until the emergency abaits.
Really...is that why POTUS shut down travel to china early and was called Xenophobic by the idiotic Biden and dems over it. One thing that we better change after all this is our relationship with that communist dictatorship. They are or our ENEMY folks and we better start treating them as such. Their goal is to dominate and control the USA. Sadly you don't hear any of our billionaires or our major corporations saying a word. Just look at what had to be done with 3M. Thank GOD for the POTUS! WAKE UP PEOPLE.