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Yes. Heaven forbid a White male dating a Black female in an ad. My how the commies have changed since the 60’s. Kirk kissed a Uhura on TV. Kirk would be replaced today by a Black actor for whom Nurse Chapel would fall over with her legs wide open. One scene was actually evolutionary. What this is isn’t that. And I want to make it clear that I have no issue with people of different races dating/marrying/procreating. We are all God’s children.

 
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dtrain79

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I liked the second paragraph.

If it isn't impactful, why is it so hard to pass? Wouldn't that make it a layup?

It's hard to pass because of the filibuster. That means you have to get 7 Democratic votes on the SAVE Act. You need 60 votes for cloture (to end debate). You then only need 51 votes (which can include the VP) to pass the bill. Passing the bill isn't the issue, getting cloture is.

The filibuster applies to all non-spending legislation. You can avoid it on a lot of spending issues, but not on the non-spending ones. That's why Dems could pass a bunch of spending under Biden and Rs can pass tax cuts under Trump. But neither side can pass more controversial social legislation. There are issues like immigration where a nuked filibuster would be good for Rs; it's just that most regulatory and social legislation it now blocks is stuff Dems want and Rs don't. On balance, it's better for Rs than Dems.

Me personally, I'd break the SAVE Act up into parts and dare Dems to filibuster voter ID and trans sports legislation. It's at least a good election issue. The citizenship stuff for registration is totally unnecessary and simply red meat, because it is not hard to identify that a registered voter is not a citizen (registration requires at least a DL, and you can verify the validity of that).
 

dtrain79

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Interesting breakdown. Now we know where the voters gravitated after the primary.



Certainly James Talarico would like the Republicans to nominate the guy most repellent to GE voters. Paxton could win, but it's not going to be easy for him. Cornyn likely would win, barring a collapse of the current environment (in which case Paxton would almost certainly lose and the Cornyn race would be tight).

Btw, Paxton led Cornyn almost every poll and the first round and finished behind. Primary polling is harder than GE polling. This race will be decided by what Trump wants.
 
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dtrain79

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I was a Hunt voter. Now moving to Paxton. I don't care who Trump endorses.

Dumb. Ken Paxton is a crook. Indicated on securities fraud, impeached by Republicans, probably stole another attorney's pen (he ultimately returned it after the intervention of law enforcement)

You'd be a lot more upset than I would if Talarico won (and I don't like Talarico), and Talarico can absolutely beat Paxton in this environment.

Any which way, the Trump endorsement is likely to be decisive in the runoff.
 

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Dumb. Ken Paxton is a crook. Indicated on securities fraud, impeached by Republicans, probably stole another attorney's pen (he ultimately returned it after the intervention of law enforcement)

You'd be a lot more upset than I would if Talarico won (and I don't like Talarico), and Talarico can absolutely beat Paxton in this environment.

Any which way, the Trump endorsement is likely to be decisive in the runoff.
I am not so sure. Looks like a coin flip. The below data probably oversampled Ds, but...

There is a recent poll from Public Policy Polling (PPP), conducted March 4-5, 2026 (right after the March 3 Democratic primary where James Talarico won the nomination), that includes hypothetical general election matchups for the Texas U.S. Senate race. This poll surveyed 576 Texas voters (likely a general electorate sample of likely voters, though the exact breakdown isn't always specified in summaries—it's common for PPP to use likely voters in such surveys).Key findings from that poll:
  • James Talarico (D) leads John Cornyn (R) 44% to 43% (a 1-point edge for Talarico, within the poll's ±4.1% margin of error).
  • James Talarico (D) leads Ken Paxton (R) 47% to 45% (a 2-point edge for Talarico, also within the margin of error).
The poll was commissioned by Senate Majority PAC (a Democratic-aligned group) and noted "no meaningful difference in electability" between Cornyn and Paxton against Talarico. It also highlighted Talarico's positive favorability (+6 net, 41% favorable/35% unfavorable) compared to both Republicans being underwater (Cornyn more so at -28 net, Paxton at -24 net).
 

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It's hard to pass because of the filibuster. That means you have to get 7 Democratic votes on the SAVE Act. You need 60 votes for cloture (to end debate). You then only need 51 votes (which can include the VP) to pass the bill. Passing the bill isn't the issue, getting cloture is.

The filibuster applies to all non-spending legislation. You can avoid it on a lot of spending issues, but not on the non-spending ones. That's why Dems could pass a bunch of spending under Biden and Rs can pass tax cuts under Trump. But neither side can pass more controversial social legislation. There are issues like immigration where a nuked filibuster would be good for Rs; it's just that most regulatory and social legislation it now blocks is stuff Dems want and Rs don't. On balance, it's better for Rs than Dems.

Me personally, I'd break the SAVE Act up into parts and dare Dems to filibuster voter ID and trans sports legislation. It's at least a good election issue. The citizenship stuff for registration is totally unnecessary and simply red meat, because it is not hard to identify that a registered voter is not a citizen (registration requires at least a DL, and you can verify the validity of that).
I might have misstated my question. If the legislation does little, why won't the Dems and Rinos just pass it?
 

dtrain79

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I am not so sure. Looks like a coin flip. The below data probably oversampled Ds, but...

There is a recent poll from Public Policy Polling (PPP), conducted March 4-5, 2026 (right after the March 3 Democratic primary where James Talarico won the nomination), that includes hypothetical general election matchups for the Texas U.S. Senate race. This poll surveyed 576 Texas voters (likely a general electorate sample of likely voters, though the exact breakdown isn't always specified in summaries—it's common for PPP to use likely voters in such surveys).Key findings from that poll:
  • James Talarico (D) leads John Cornyn (R) 44% to 43% (a 1-point edge for Talarico, within the poll's ±4.1% margin of error).
  • James Talarico (D) leads Ken Paxton (R) 47% to 45% (a 2-point edge for Talarico, also within the margin of error).
The poll was commissioned by Senate Majority PAC (a Democratic-aligned group) and noted "no meaningful difference in electability" between Cornyn and Paxton against Talarico. It also highlighted Talarico's positive favorability (+6 net, 41% favorable/35% unfavorable) compared to both Republicans being underwater (Cornyn more so at -28 net, Paxton at -24 net).

Look, I love polling, but it's hard to have a feel how centrists will react 7 months. As a rule of thumb, I think a normie conservative probably runs about 3% better than a scandal-plagued guy viewed as more extreme. It could be more in a state with a larger centrist bloc, but the GOP is probably a lock to get 46% in any Texas race and the Dems 40%.

The weird thing about Cornyn/Paxton is that they basically won't vote any differently. Paxton will say more inflammatory stuff on TV. But Cornyn votes with Trump on literally everything. He's generic, but he's not a moderate.

Also Dems would love for you to believe there's no electability difference. They are praying for Paxton, in the same way the GOP establishment wanted Crockett (there are some arguments that maybe the difference between Crockett and Talarico isn't that big in terms of electability, but I don't really agree with them).
 

dtrain79

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I might have misstated my question. If the legislation does little, why won't the Dems and Rinos just pass it?

Presumably partisan Dems don't like the most of it. And in our politics, both sides can get 40 votes of partisans to block cloture.

Rs should put the bill up in pieces. See if Dems block voter ID (80% of states already require it) and the trans sports stuff. Then they can run on the specific votes.
 

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Look, I love polling, but it's hard to have a feel how centrists will react 7 months. As a rule of thumb, I think a normie conservative probably runs about 3% better than a scandal-plagued guy viewed as more extreme. It could be more in a state with a larger centrist bloc, but the GOP is probably a lock to get 46% in any Texas race and the Dems 40%.

The weird thing about Cornyn/Paxton is that they basically won't vote any differently. Paxton will say more inflammatory stuff on TV. But Cornyn votes with Trump on literally everything. He's generic, but he's not a moderate.

Also Dems would love for you to believe there's no electability difference. They are praying for Paxton, in the same way the GOP establishment wanted Crockett (there are some arguments that maybe the difference between Crockett and Talarico isn't that big in terms of electability, but I don't really agree with them).
I think it may be a double edged sword. The moderate Rs may sit out Paxton. The rest may sit out Cornyn. As a matter of fact, I am guessing the most motivated voter group(MAGA), will sit him out.

 
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It's hard to pass because of the filibuster. That means you have to get 7 Democratic votes on the SAVE Act. You need 60 votes for cloture (to end debate). You then only need 51 votes (which can include the VP) to pass the bill. Passing the bill isn't the issue, getting cloture is.

The filibuster applies to all non-spending legislation. You can avoid it on a lot of spending issues, but not on the non-spending ones. That's why Dems could pass a bunch of spending under Biden and Rs can pass tax cuts under Trump. But neither side can pass more controversial social legislation. There are issues like immigration where a nuked filibuster would be good for Rs; it's just that most regulatory and social legislation it now blocks is stuff Dems want and Rs don't. On balance, it's better for Rs than Dems.

Me personally, I'd break the SAVE Act up into parts and dare Dems to filibuster voter ID and trans sports legislation. It's at least a good election issue. The citizenship stuff for registration is totally unnecessary and simply red meat, because it is not hard to identify that a registered voter is not a citizen (registration requires at least a DL, and you can verify the validity of that).
I question the citizen thing, too, but we have states like IL giving Driver’s Licenses to illegals and even let illegals be police officers. You have to be a citizen to get real ID IIRC, but some states are behind in that program. Overall you have a solid position on the possibility of breaking it into pieces.
 

dtrain79

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I think it may be a double edged sword. The moderate Rs may sit out Paxton. The rest may sit out Cornyn. As a matter of fact, I am guessing the most motivated voter group(MAGA), will sit him out.



There is basically no evidence ever that hardcore partisans actually sit out an election in meaningful numbers.

The more moderate one is perceived to be, the better he/she does in elections. The best candidates vote solidly for their ideology/party agenda (these can be different but let's lump them together here) but code more moderate. I'm looking at you - Rubio, Marco.

It seems clearly that Cornyn does so. He overperformed Trump by 4% in 2020. Won by 9.5% in Texas to Trump's 5.5%.
 

dtrain79

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I question the citizen thing, too, but we have states like IL giving Driver’s Licenses to illegals and even let illegals be police officers. You have to be a citizen to get real ID IIRC, but some states are behind in that program. Overall you have a solid position on the possibility of breaking it into pieces.

You aren't wrong about one thing. I don't trust far left states on only providing DLs to citizens/legal residents. Some give them to illegals.

But to register, they'd still need the DL on file, which would allow something like a federal audit to determine fraudulent registrations. It's not perfect, but it makes fraud much harder. This is all publicly available stuff - there's somewhere you can figure out what elections I've voted in (which means you can determine my validity as a voter too).

The other thing, far left states that give DLs to illegals aren't going R in the Electoral College or for either Senate slot. So worst case, we are taking about an occasional stray House seat that's really close in such states. That is, even if you assumed the worst possible situation regarding fraud (which is probably not accurate), the meaning in federal elections is extremely low.