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Well I'm sorry to have missed it, but if you think justice of the law should be based on your wealth, then we won't be aligned on most things.
Where did you get that cockamamie idea? I believe people should be held accountable. Unlike you, I wasn’t born yesterday, so I understand very rich people and the well-connected in Washington DC can do what they want with impunity. We have a Congressional slush fund for sexual assualt/harrassment claims to be swept under the rug. We have Hillary with 33,000 deleted emails (Obama’s DOJ slow played the process show she would have time to do it) and she was doing US business on her own not so private private server. Nothing came of it. The Obama official (Klein IIRC) who duped the FISA Court got a slap on the wrist. We have the seditious six who are on record, it’s video and it’s real, where the Senators decided to tell troops not to follow orders. That would get our troops courtmartialed/dishonorable discharge bare minimum. The Trump admin took this to the DC Fed grand jury and they said “no” despite the laws violated and despite the videos clearly breaking the law, which…ho hum…wasn’t enough for them. Gates and Hoffman were clearly big time Epstein customers. What accountability do you think we will get? If you think there will be anyone going to jail, I can tell you not a damn thing is going to happen to any of them. BTW, the Trump administration has provided significantly more Epstein material than the previous administration. The Biden admin sat on all of this info for 4 years and once Trump got elected, he was supposedly all over the Epstein files and a big Epstein customer. That has been debunked. What about the autopen? Completely unconstitutional. Nobody in that admin who used the autopen will be held accountable because the grand jury leanings are well to the left of classically liberal Bill Maher. Essentially the same with the Federal judges in the DC district.

The screw up was going after Mar-a-Lago. Now that South Florida Fed district is a completely different animal. There’s a sliver of hope there that some of these corrupt politicians/unelected government officials will be held accountable. I won’t hold my breath. You shouldn’t either.
 

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Where did you get that cockamamie idea? I believe people should be held accountable. Unlike you, I wasn’t born yesterday, so I understand very rich people and the well-connected in Washington DC can do what they want with impunity. We have a Congressional slush fund for sexual assualt/harrassment claims to be swept under the rug. We have Hillary with 33,000 deleted emails (Obama’s DOJ slow played the process show she would have time to do it) and she was doing US business on her own not so private private server. Nothing came of it. The Obama official (Klein IIRC) who duped the FISA Court got a slap on the wrist. We have the seditious six who are on record, it’s video and it’s real, where the Senators decided to tell troops not to follow orders. That would get our troops courtmartialed/dishonorable discharge bare minimum. The Trump admin took this to the DC Fed grand jury and they said “no” despite the laws violated and despite the videos clearly breaking the law, which…ho hum…wasn’t enough for them. Gates and Hoffman were clearly big time Epstein customers. What accountability do you think we will get? If you think there will be anyone going to jail, I can tell you not a damn thing is going to happen to any of them. BTW, the Trump administration has provided significantly more Epstein material than the previous administration. The Biden admin sat on all of this info for 4 years and once Trump got elected, he was supposedly all over the Epstein files and a big Epstein customer. That has been debunked. What about the autopen? Completely unconstitutional. Nobody in that admin who used the autopen will be held accountable because the grand jury leanings are well to the left of classically liberal Bill Maher. Essentially the same with the Federal judges in the DC district.

The screw up was going after Mar-a-Lago. Now that South Florida Fed district is a completely different animal. There’s a sliver of hope there that some of these corrupt politicians/unelected government officials will be held accountable. I won’t hold my breath. You shouldn’t either.
OK, so what happened to drain the swamp?

Look, they provided the Epstein material because Massie pushed the issue. If he didn't there would have been nothing released. Nothing. And that's why Trump keeps going after him and says Marjerie Traitor Greene and all that other childish ****. If they had their way those files would have never seen the light of day. Now Bondi looks like a fool every time she opens her mouth. It's embarrassing. Don't say most transparent administration ever when you were forced.

And I know Biden admin sat on them. I know. I know. I know. They sucked ***. We agree on that. We aren't talking about them, they are no longer there. If you fire someone because they don't perform, do you constantly have to remember them when you are assessing your new employee? No. You assess the new employee on their merits. Y'all are really struggling with that one.

You ho-hum one of the biggest coverups in US history. One involving compromised politicians all over the place. Have a little dignity and call a spade a spade.
 

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OK, so what happened to drain the swamp?

Look, they provided the Epstein material because Massie pushed the issue. If he didn't there would have been nothing released. Nothing. And that's why Trump keeps going after him and says Marjerie Traitor Greene and all that other childish ****. If they had their way those files would have never seen the light of day. Now Bondi looks like a fool every time she opens her mouth. It's embarrassing. Don't say most transparent administration ever when you were forced.

And I know Biden admin sat on them. I know. I know. I know. They sucked ***. We agree on that. We aren't talking about them, they are no longer there. If you fire someone because they don't perform, do you constantly have to remember them when you are assessing your new employee? No. You assess the new employee on their merits. Y'all are really struggling with that one.

You ho-hum one of the biggest coverups in US history. One involving compromised politicians all over the place. Have a little dignity and call a spade a spade.
Go read dtrain’s comments about Epstein. I’m not repeating myself again.

Trump has tried draining the swamp. It’s hard to drain when his own party keeps voting for funds DOGE has cut. Have you paid attention to how many agencies and federal employees have been given the pink slip? Apparently not. Did you think the empire wasn’t going to strike back? It will take at least 12 years of non-Eatablishment Republican administrations to come close to clearing out these swampy issues. Sorry you are on the struggle bus with all of this.
 

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Go read dtrain’s comments about Epstein. I’m not repeating myself again.

Trump has tried draining the swamp. It’s hard to drain when his own party keeps voting for funds DOGE has cut. Have you paid attention to how many agencies and federal employees have been given the pink slip? Apparently not. Did you think the empire wasn’t going to strike back? It will take at least 12 years of non-Eatablishment Republican administrations to come close to clearing out these swampy issues. Sorry you are on the struggle bus with all of this.
So his reply is an appeal to authority.. dtrain is apparently the expert on Epstein now.

And a lame as excuse.

It’s ALWAYS someone else’s fault with MAGA cult
 

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Team Icky fired missiles at Diego Garcia 4000 miles away.



Drain the swamp Mikey! Trump has cut 300,000 federal jobs - roughly 10 percent. A great start but need to get a lot more. Of course, you really don’t care about that. It only saves 30B per year.

Trump relieved Iran of their sanctions. That’ll show them!
 

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Go read dtrain’s comments about Epstein. I’m not repeating myself again.

Trump has tried draining the swamp. It’s hard to drain when his own party keeps voting for funds DOGE has cut. Have you paid attention to how many agencies and federal employees have been given the pink slip? Apparently not. Did you think the empire wasn’t going to strike back? It will take at least 12 years of non-Eatablishment Republican administrations to come close to clearing out these swampy issues. Sorry you are on the struggle bus with all of this.
You don't even understand what the term "drain the swamp" means. It means much more that cutting the federal payroll. More importantly it means to reduce the influence of lobbyists and special interest groups. Trump does the opposite. He tries to get as much as he can from special interest groups to enrich himself and his family. Trump is the biggest fattest gator in the swamp. Laughable.
 

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Go read dtrain’s comments about Epstein. I’m not repeating myself again.

Trump has tried draining the swamp. It’s hard to drain when his own party keeps voting for funds DOGE has cut. Have you paid attention to how many agencies and federal employees have been given the pink slip? Apparently not. Did you think the empire wasn’t going to strike back? It will take at least 12 years of non-Eatablishment Republican administrations to come close to clearing out these swampy issues. Sorry you are on the struggle bus with all of this.

If I remember correctly, Dtrain has said that it was really only Epstein that the girls were being trafficked for. You don’t believe that though. You think guys like Gates and Hoffman were involved, right?

It’s OK to criticize this admin on some things. The Epstein fiasco is one. Bondi said she had thousands of videos. Nothing has happened to anyone outside of the guy that possibly suicided himself.

Nothing happened to Fauci and those that funded the lab that manipulated and released COVID, either. That’s pretty disappointing too, but not surprising. Hopefully we get out of this Trump term without a similar disaster.
 

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If I remember correctly, Dtrain has said that it was really only Epstein that the girls were being trafficked for. You don’t believe that though. You think guys like Gates and Hoffman were involved, right?
I think Gates and Hoffman were involved bigly and are the big cash behind trying to keep the info from coming to light. As we now know, Bill gave his wife an STD and tried to treat her infection without her knowledge. It shouldn’t surprise anyone why he is messing with mosquitoes and other methods of disseminating vaxxes we aren’t interested in. A total *****. That said, I would be surprised if either of them diddled with underage girls. We do know Andrew is disgraced and I seem to think he did like them young and Obama’s big nobel cheerleader in Norway is now disgraced, as well. Clinton always got a ton of tail without Epstein’s assistance. I’m not sure what to think about all of his trips on the Lolita Express. This wasn’t likely a massive operation, and overall dtrain makes a compelling case that the primary user of Epstein’s setup was Epstein himself.

I have no issue criticizing Trump. Anyone who voted for Trump for the issue of Epstein files is a brain dead chump about as bright as the single issue abortion voters. Anyone who thinks what has happened so far with Iran has been a discombobulated mess is an idiot groyper or a Tucker Carlson stooge. I have no patience for morons who think a magic wand can be raised to drain the swamp. The swamp has been there since the Korean War and grown stronger. That’s a huge barge that has to get turned around. It’s miraculous what Trump has done on the world stage this time around and it is for US to be set up for long term financial stability and leading the world into the future, not the Chinese, Russians and their satellites. You wanted guilty people to pay for the Epstein files because you have children. I have children, as well. My greater concern is the long term stability of our democracy threatened by the Democrats, deep state and far left courts letting loser criminals out to create more crime. Trump closed the border which ended a much larger human/sex trafficking issue than Epstein could ever be.

The policies espoused by the bad orange man are far superior to any Republican leader in my lifetime save perhaps Reagan. Reagan would have been even better, if he held both branches of Congress.

Trump says stupid things. That’s a semester course that can be collapsed into one day…its called Trump makes dumb comments 101. “I will end the Ukraine War day 1.” What we know is Putin’s military isn’t as strong as he has projected. What we also know is Euro’s, especially England and France, are dipshits who involved themselves with Zelensky and advised him to do the opposite of what the Trump admin had convinced him was the way to end the war. Do you still want to be sending our hard earned money to Ukraine? Have you seen the leftist communist sympathizing governments getting voted out in South America. That comes from the attempt to drain the swamp and getting rid of USAID.
 

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I think Gates and Hoffman were involved bigly and are the big cash behind trying to keep the info from coming to light. As we now know, Bill gave his wife an STD and tried to treat her infection without her knowledge. It shouldn’t surprise anyone why he is messing with mosquitoes and other methods of disseminating vaxxes we aren’t interested in. A total *****. That said, I would be surprised if either of them diddled with underage girls. We do know Andrew is disgraced and I seem to think he did like them young and Obama’s big nobel cheerleader in Norway is now disgraced, as well. Clinton always got a ton of tail without Epstein’s assistance. I’m not sure what to think about all of his trips on the Lolita Express. This wasn’t likely a massive operation, and overall dtrain makes a compelling case that the primary user of Epstein’s setup was Epstein himself.

I have no issue criticizing Trump. Anyone who voted for Trump for the issue of Epstein files is a brain dead chump about as bright as the single issue abortion voters. Anyone who thinks what has happened so far with Iran has been a discombobulated mess is an idiot groyper or a Tucker Carlson stooge. I have no patience for morons who think a magic wand can be raised to drain the swamp. The swamp has been there since the Korean War and grown stronger. That’s a huge barge that has to get turned around. It’s miraculous what Trump has done on the world stage this time around and it is for US to be set up for long term financial stability and leading the world into the future, not the Chinese, Russians and their satellites. You wanted guilty people to pay for the Epstein files because you have children. I have children, as well. My greater concern is the long term stability of our democracy threatened by the Democrats, deep state and far left courts letting loser criminals out to create more crime. Trump closed the border which ended a much larger human/sex trafficking issue than Epstein could ever be.

The policies espoused by the bad orange man are far superior to any Republican leader in my lifetime save perhaps Reagan. Reagan would have been even better, if he held both branches of Congress.

Trump says stupid things. That’s a semester course that can be collapsed into one day…its called Trump makes dumb comments 101. “I will end the Ukraine War day 1.” What we know is Putin’s military isn’t as strong as he has projected. What we also know is Euro’s, especially England and France, are dipshits who involved themselves with Zelensky and advised him to do the opposite of what the Trump admin had convinced him was the way to end the war. Do you still want to be sending our hard earned money to Ukraine? Have you seen the leftist communist sympathizing governments getting voted out in South America. That comes from the attempt to drain the swamp and getting rid of USAID.
Didn’t take long. Anyone that criticizes Iran war is an antisemite. Bunch of cucks here.
 

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Here you go @bung23 .. 2 weeks later and they’re asking for $200 billion and troops on the ground. 100% approval!

You gonna send your kids to die for Israel?

First of all, I don’t think Trump is even close to perfect. What he is is the beginning of the movement to take our country back and restore some semblance of sanity. F the left and their corruption that’s absolutely destroying our country. As for 200B and ground troops? No way. That doesn’t have my support at all. I know your dumb *** is looking for some “gotcha” moment, but you’re barking up the wrong tree kiddo….
 

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First of all, I don’t think Trump is even close to perfect. What he is is the beginning of the movement to take our country back and restore some semblance of sanity. F the left and their corruption that’s absolutely destroying our country. As for 200B and ground troops? No way. That doesn’t have my support at all. I know your dumb *** is looking for some “gotcha” moment, but you’re barking up the wrong tree kiddo….
You accuse me of TDS but you’re incapable of any criticism without falling back on your “F the left” crutch. When are you going to figure out there’s no right v left? It’s all the same.

Speaking of corruption:


Just a fun coincidence I’m sure.
 

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If I remember correctly, Dtrain has said that it was really only Epstein that the girls were being trafficked for. You don’t believe that though. You think guys like Gates and Hoffman were involved, right?

It’s OK to criticize this admin on some things. The Epstein fiasco is one. Bondi said she had thousands of videos. Nothing has happened to anyone outside of the guy that possibly suicided himself.

Nothing happened to Fauci and those that funded the lab that manipulated and released COVID, either. That’s pretty disappointing too, but not surprising. Hopefully we get out of this Trump term without a similar disaster.
What disaster are you referring to?
 

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If I remember correctly, Dtrain has said that it was really only Epstein that the girls were being trafficked for. You don’t believe that though. You think guys like Gates and Hoffman were involved, right?
I am not sure this is exactly what Doug said, but I believe his take was in line with there are less involved in actual criminal behavior than most believe. Along with there is no evidence Trump did anything wrong and actually some evidence that he was a foe to Epstein.

@dtrain79 can clarify if I misportrayed his views.
 
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The govt response to COVID. I don’t think I need to remind everyone of the details.
I was not a fan of Trump’s reactions to Covid. We know that Fauci is a skunk and Birx has essentially stated she willfully misled Trump on Covid. We know how the swamp works. Neither of them will be held accountable. Trump is surrounded by his own people this time and has done a much better job selecting his staff. 45 admin was a turnstile. So far the only major casualty through not quite 1.5 years has been the DHS Sec and frankly I think that move may have had more to do with scruples than competence/loyalty to 47 agenda. I think that’s the difference and why I wouldn’t bank on a disaster. If Republicans hold serve somehow in the mid-terms, he also isn’t going to be brought up on phony impeachment charges every other month.
 

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I am not sure this is exactly what Doug said, but I believe his take was in line with there are less involved in actual criminal behavior than most believe. Along with there is no evidence Trump did anything wrong and actually some evidence that he was a foe to Epstein.

@dtrain79 can clarify if I misportrayed his views.

Anyone who is still talking about Epstein really doesn't care about facts. Note all the noise, and there was still not A SINGLE PERSON in the files linked to criminal sexual behavior involving underage girls other than Epstein. Not a single person. This is Epstein's private correspondence, not stuff he ever thought would be public.

I cited to the ABC News article multiple times quoting the lawyer who has made tens of millions of dollars suing Epstein and businesses tangentially involved with him (those cases are meritless but often get settled for real money because no bank/large business wants the embarrassment of an Epstein trial). He said that (a) Epstein's scheme was overwhelmingly for his own benefit; (b) Epstein may have "trafficked" (the better word is sent) a few overage girls to a small group of other men for sex (this is at the worst prostitution/pimping), but it was not a big part of what he was up to; and (c) almost the entirety of Epstein's activities with famous people had zero to do with Epstein's illicit behavior and was him trying to cultivate influence in high society or whatever.

I keep saying this. Epstein was the political/academic version of a "jock sniffer." That was why he was badgering even people who didn't want anything to do with him (plenty in the files weren't actually engaging with Jeffie, he was trying to engage with them). He separately was a sexual predator, who take advantage of young women (some of age and some not).

It is what it is. I'm beyond humoring all the people who want to believe their own fairy tales about anything political, it's become a tiresome exercise. Social media has basically destroyed rational thought about politics, and instead humors that partisan idiocy of both sides (and both sides have true partisans trying to spin Epstein).

On a different note, @rillaman will appreciate this.

America and Public Disorder - Chris Arnade Walks the World
 

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You accuse me of TDS but you’re incapable of any criticism without falling back on your “F the left” crutch. When are you going to figure out there’s no right v left? It’s all the same.

Speaking of corruption:


Just a fun coincidence I’m sure.

I frown upon government investing in private companies. That’s total ********. However, that doesn’t damage our country like open borders- which comes with millions who aren’t and have zero allegiance to the USA. The crime, the corruption, the money laundering… just to name a few. The left isn’t “soft on crime” they are PRO-CRIME. These leftist judges are letting criminal illegal aliens off the hook and sending them back to the streets to rape and kill. It’s not anecdotal- it’s happening all over the country. All of the gay/tranny/woke/DEI indoctrination is real and it’s massively damaging to our country.
Every single aspect of the democrat party is anti-American and there’s a large portion of the GOP that’s the same. It’s a lot to overcome. I’m not blindly GOP- the candidate matters- but I’m 100% against ANY Dem candidate.
You think we’re a Trump cult and he can do no wrong in our eyes and that is patently false. We view him simply as the beginning of our movement.
 

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I frown upon government investing in private companies. That’s total ********. However, that doesn’t damage our country like open borders- which comes with millions who aren’t and have zero allegiance to the USA. The crime, the corruption, the money laundering… just to name a few. The left isn’t “soft on crime” they are PRO-CRIME. These leftist judges are letting criminal illegal aliens off the hook and sending them back to the streets to rape and kill. It’s not anecdotal- it’s happening all over the country. All of the gay/tranny/woke/DEI indoctrination is real and it’s massively damaging to our country.
Every single aspect of the democrat party is anti-American and there’s a large portion of the GOP that’s the same. It’s a lot to overcome. I’m not blindly GOP- the candidate matters- but I’m 100% against ANY Dem candidate.
You think we’re a Trump cult and he can do no wrong in our eyes and that is patently false. We view him simply as the beginning of our movement.
You view a corrupt former Democrat pedophile protector as the beginning of your movement to take the country back from democrats? lmao
 

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“Fake MAGA”



GOP approval of the war with Iran is very high (despite R voters likely to be those most affected by gas prices considering their concentration in rural/exurban areas and transportation type jobs).

Seems like the anti-interventionist right was not aligned with Rs/MAGA. Notably, they aren't aligned with Rs/MAGA on economic issues either, often favoring very government-centric approaches versus the more traditional free market views of the American right.

American politics would be better off if the anti-interventionist, economic left wing infotainment right (Carlson being the most notable) migrates - or in many cases returns - to the Democratic Party. Rs would need to replace them with some combination of educated voters with high incomes and working class minorities (doable but on a national level means hybrid conservative/populist type candidates, without too much of either).