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dtrain79

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Semi-elite R2R athlete said:
Read your last statement. What was happening in 2020? Any chance people had more time on their hands and were disgusted by how the pandemic and Floyd riots were handled?
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I’d already argued this, he just ignored it.

I’m just glad we have established Hillary won in 2016. I utilized exactly the same standard Trump has in 2020. Close in a handful of states that, if all were reversed, would have tipped the election to Hillary. Largely Dem run states that clearly utilized fraud to reverse a narrow Hillary win into a narrow Trump win.

The stolen election narrative is so crazy that it's something only the willfully blind could believe. Trump superfans get upset with the term "cult," but it's a "cult-like" belief, where only those on the inside know the truth while the rest of us outsiders could never understand the truth (when of course the actual truth is directly opposite of what the cult believes).

One of the best things about Trump going away soonish is that this will no longer be a discussion in American politics. Republicans will sideline and drop this argument so fast we'll wonder where it's gone.
 
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dtrain79

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BigWill said:
Like your refusing to acknowledge fudging of criminal reporting NATIONWIDE for no reason other than you like being correct.

Here vote counts off by multiple millions of votes are explained away by the United States Postal Service inability to timely move envelopes or people with face masks.

Just say it, it won't hurt; The Presidential Election of 2020 that allowed a frail, dementia ridden, political hack and thief to be elected President was stolen by miscounting millions of votes.
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The murder and overall crime rates were down again bigly in 2025, a third straight year of massive drops. And here you are - a complete fool who has been totally owned in this argument for two plus years now - still fighting it.

You like to talk about NYC because one of your sons is among America's Finest. Below the weekly crime report. Let's compare NYC crime numbers to two years ago.

Murder - Down 47%
Robbery - Down 27%
Burglary - Down 20%
Grand Larceny - Down 16%
Grand Larceny Auto - Down 16%

Seems like the cops of doing pretty well. It's almost as if, when Covid chaos receded, crime also did so. Wow ... who could have seen that coming? Oh yeah ... it was me.

I suppose we have to speak to the statistical reporting again. No, crime reporting is not perfect, but it is directionally correct. If the rate is going up substantially, as it was in 2020-22, it is reflected in the data. And the same applies when it's going down considerably, as happened in 2023-present (early returns in 2026 continue positive momentum). If you argued something like "it might be off a few %," that's a reasonable argument. Nope, you argued against double digit declines year after year, as if thousands of departments were lying about both the 2020-22 increase and 2023-present decrease. That kind of argument is so facially wrong that it's hard to be anything but mean about someone advancing it, they are either arguing in bad faith or really, truly, utterly clueless. Which do you prefer?

cs-en-us-city.pdf
 
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dtrain79

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Sounds like Israel offed Iran's naval chief today. Good to hear.

Seems like significantly more leading regime figures in Iran have been killed in this war than American servicemen and women (7 killed in an Iranian missile strike, 6 in a non-hostile air accident).
 
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IOC limits women's sports at 2028 olympics to biological women only.

I purposely linked the AP article (which tends to have left of center readers) as the comments are illuminating. Most are saying they are liberals, left of center, never would vote for a Republican, etc but applaud the decision. If all these liberals are against men in women's sports why are so many Dem politicians pushing it?

apnews.com

Transgender women athletes banned from female Olympic events by new IOC policy

Transgender women athletes are now excluded from the Olympics after the IOC agreed to a new eligibility policy It aligns with U.S.
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dtrain79

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AzIllini said:
IOC limits women's sports at 2028 olympics to biological women only.

I purposely linked the AP article (which tends to have left of center readers) as the comments are illuminating. Most are saying they are liberals, left of center, never would vote for a Republican, etc but applaud the decision. If all these liberals are against men in women's sports why are so many Dem politicians pushing it?

apnews.com

Transgender women athletes banned from female Olympic events by new IOC policy

Transgender women athletes are now excluded from the Olympics after the IOC agreed to a new eligibility policy It aligns with U.S.
apnews.com apnews.com
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Fear of the activist base. Similar to fear of Trump among GOP politicians (let's just say that even a lot of MAGA types aren't as invested as Big Don in tariffs).
 
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AzIllini

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More culture wars: "Pennsylvania House Democrats withdrew consideration of a resolution honoring March as "National Women’s Month" after a Republican lawmaker filed an amendment to include the physiological definition of "woman" in the text."

www.foxnews.com

WATCH: Dems go silent, pull Women's Month resolution after GOP asks for simple definition

Pennsylvania House Democrats pulled a Women's History Month resolution after a GOP amendment sought to define 'woman,' sparking laughter on the floor.
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BigWill

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dtrain79 said:
The murder and overall crime rates were down again bigly in 2025, a third straight year of massive drops. And here you are - a complete fool who has been totally owned in this argument for two plus years now - still fighting it.

You like to talk about NYC because one of your sons is among America's Finest. Below the weekly crime report. Let's compare NYC crime numbers to two years ago.

Murder - Down 47%
Robbery - Down 27%
Burglary - Down 20%
Grand Larceny - Down 16%
Grand Larceny Auto - Down 16%

Seems like the cops of doing pretty well. It's almost as if, when Covid chaos receded, crime also did so. Wow ... who could have seen that coming? Oh yeah ... it was me.

I suppose we have to speak to the statistical reporting again. No, crime reporting is not perfect, but it is directionally correct. If the rate is going up substantially, as it was in 2020-22, it is reflected in the data. And the same applies when it's going down considerably, as happened in 2023-present (early returns in 2026 continue positive momentum). If you argued something like "it might be off a few %," that's a reasonable argument. Nope, you argued against double digit declines year after year, as if thousands of departments were lying about both the 2020-22 increase and 2023-present decrease. That kind of argument is so facially wrong that it's hard to be anything but mean about someone advancing it, they are either arguing in bad faith or really, truly, utterly clueless. Which do you prefer?

cs-en-us-city.pdf
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Like has been proven again and again, when you are wrong, you take your football and go home for months at a time.

Copying something is not proof, knowing what is actually happening is...

How long will you disappear this time ?
 
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dtrain79

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BigWill said:
Like has been proven again and again, when you are wrong, you take your football and go home for months at a time.

Copying something is not proof, knowing what is actually happening is...

How long will you disappear this time ?
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Yet again no argument, no rebuttal, no anything.

The crime rate was down a lot in 2023, down a lot in 2024, and down a lot in 2025 (under Trump). It's trending down again (it's early) in 2026. That is every bit of evidence.

You offered no evidence, per usual. Do you actually think you are right or are you so laughably pig-headed can you not admit that you are wrong?

I'm just going to link a bunch of pieces demonstrating how absurd your take is.

Crime rates fell across US cities in 2025 • Stateline
 
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dtrain79

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Crime rates are dropping across the U.S, in some cases reaching their lowest levels in decades.
Data from 40 American cities shows a decrease in crime across 11 out of 13 categories of offenses last year compared to 2024, the Council on Criminal Justice (CCJ) found in a new analysis released on Thursday. Nine of those offenses, ranging from shoplifting to carjacking to aggravated assault, declined by 10% or more.
The homicide rate fell 21% in 35 cities which provided data for the crime, accounting for 922 fewer deaths. And the report predicted that the rate will drop even further, to four per every 100,000 residents, when the FBI releases nationwide data for jurisdictions of all sizes. That would represent the lowest homicide rate since 1900 and the largest percentage drop in homicides in any single year on record.

Why Crime Rates Are Falling Across the U.S.
 
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dtrain79

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Btw, as I predicted, the crime rate declined under Trump in 2025. It continued (even accelerated) from the downward trajectory under Biden in 2023 and 2024.

I happen to think - to the extent the President can influence crime rates - Trump has done a good job, used some interesting policies, and certainly helped drive serious crime further down in DC where he has the most impact. But he inherited a good trend - which apparently everyone but BW knows about because it ain't exactly a secret (it was to many when I came on here in late 2023 and told you all what was starting to happen).

Drug OD deaths are also down under Trump, continuing the trend started under Biden.

Products - Vital Statistics Rapid Release - Provisional Drug Overdose Data
 
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Uncoach

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I’m not sure what to think of this. On the surface it’s great. The question I have is—are they (centrists) actually on board.


 
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