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rillaman

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We don’t need to discuss that at all. You want to have the government tell everyone where to live. That isn’t limited. It’s planned. It’s also a basic tenet of communism. Capitalism and freedom of movement rules. People make bad investments all the time. If the SW becomes way too overpopulated and runs out of water, a considerable portion of that population will move elsewhere leaving homes they sold for way less than what they paid. IOW, the population will decrease on its own.

Nope, don’t want to force anyone or tell them where to live. Want to encourage people to make good decisions by educating them. Let them know the water and electricity bills will be higher, and that there will be times where water restrictions will be used. Those restrictions will likely get harsher in the near future.

Possibly offer incentives to move. Don’t force, encourage. Figure out future water rights before allowing more development. Common sense stuff.

You guys aren’t capable of having discussions like that without throwing a hissy fit. Soft. Some might say squishy.
 
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rillaman

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ILisBest

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Working on it. Our 2nd home will be in a wetter locale!
2nd homes are overrated. I would say the exception is inherited, low cost basis properties imo. We had four homes at one point until I wised up and cleared my balance sheet. They are like having a boat, you always feel you need to justify them. That demands ignoring other exploratory travel. JMO.
 

rillaman

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2nd homes are overrated. I would say the exception is inherited, low cost basis properties imo. We had four homes at one point until I wised up and cleared my balance sheet. They are like having a boat, you always feel you need to justify them. That demands ignoring other exploratory travel. JMO.

Ya, I don’t think it’s imminent, and I might choose to never do it. My old man has always been against the second home idea. Just go on a few trips to different spots each year, and avoid the commitment.

We like to experience different things, only 1 life. Colorado is probably not our forever home, but you never know.
 
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Nope, don’t want to force anyone or tell them where to live. Want to encourage people to make good decisions by educating them. Let them know the water and electricity bills will be higher, and that there will be times where water restrictions will be used. Those restrictions will likely get harsher in the near future.

Possibly offer incentives to move. Don’t force, encourage. Figure out future water rights before allowing more development. Common sense stuff.

You guys aren’t capable of having discussions like that without throwing a hissy fit. Soft. Some might say squishy.
We don’t present squishy communist ideas and when called out on it, accuse others of being what you supposedly aren’t. That is right out of the far left playbook. Nobody needs incentive$ to move from the Southwest. I already stated using the free markets in 2 separate posts.
 

rillaman

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We don’t present squishy communist ideas and when called out on it, accuse others of being what you supposedly aren’t. That is right out of the far left playbook. Nobody needs incentive$ to move from the Southwest. I already stated using the free markets in 2 separate posts.

Both parties give incentives all the time. Heck, we have new incentives for people to have children. Tax incentives for businesses. Now that you know I don’t believe in force, you are against incentives.

Encouraging people to live in more hospitable areas isn’t communism. It’s common sense. You guys are very short term thinkers. Incapable of reasonable discussion. Even ranches/farms running out of water (the most important resource) isn’t meaningful enough to promote discussions about the future. Idiocracy.

You guys are more concerned with cold near the arctic circle than you are farms running out of water in highly populated areas. Par for the course.
 
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A lot of small, conservative towns offer incentives. I never knew other conservatives considered that communism.
Hilarious. You’re comparing small town governments to a planned move by the Federal government, yet chastise TJ for posting the coldest weather in Alaska because small population versus the large SW population. Perhaps trying to win the internet isn’t all it’s cracked up to be for you.
 

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FYI: 70-80% of Colorado river water goes to agriculture. About half of that is used to grow alpha and hay to feed cattle. The basin has been in a "drought" since 2000 and although there have been wet years like 2023, 2025 again was "dry". The Supreme Court years ago established what each state is allocated but the river isn't running at that high of a level. Within a year the states are supposed to agree to voluntary cuts but it will get kicked up to the Federal govt and the lobbying and politics will get into even higher gear. My guess is Arizona will get hit particularly hard and California will get minimal cuts.

Water can make deserts fertile and all the Colorado river basin is arid and been using the water for agriculture for 100 years, in addition to drinking water. It now has come to a head as demand has exceeded supply for most years since 2000 and lake Mead is down to low levels -- and we are relying on politicians to come up with a solution. What could go wrong?
 

BigWill

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Working on it. Our 2nd home will be in a wetter locale!
Just remember in a couple hundred centuries the movement of the Poles could affect the camp.

40 or so years ago we were both big snow skiiers.

We heard about Steamboat and it's Champaign Power, booked flight/car/condo w/outdoor pool, ski out to gondola location.

Finally arrived after 2 rental Hertz breakdowns from Denver.

Worst snow conditions in a century !

From then on I subscribed to a service that gave out ski conditions for North America.
 
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BigWill

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Virginia has a lot of water. The ponds have dried up out here. There isn’t enough rain. Virginia is not comparable to the SW.

I think there should be considerable discussion about where we farm, develop, expand in the future. Availability of clean, fresh water should be a key point of those discussions.

And yes, Dems do stupid things. That’s why the GOP should lead those discussions. Democrats released wolves near cattle ranches out here, making the problem worse. They are great at making problems worse. Again, I would rather the GOP lead plans around water and other essential resources, but you can’t even have a conversation without people calling you a squish and changing the topic to global climate change. I don’t give a **** about the globe with this stuff. I care about American resources, and fresh water has always been an important one.
Then look at what the other arid areas I mentioned are doing to solve the issues.
 
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BigWill

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We don’t need to discuss that at all. You want to have the government tell everyone where to live. That isn’t limited. It’s planned. It’s also a basic tenet of communism. Capitalism and freedom of movement rules. People make bad investments all the time. If the SW becomes way too overpopulated and runs out of water, a considerable portion of that population will move elsewhere leaving homes they sold for way less than what they paid. IOW, the population will decrease on its own.
Like Callie will lose it's illegal migrant problem when it's tax base disappears.

Then they will refill the empty reservoirs and rebuild the dams demolished for the smelt run and the tax paying class will return.
 
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BigWill

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2nd homes are overrated. I would say the exception is inherited, low cost basis properties imo. We had four homes at one point until I wised up and cleared my balance sheet. They are like having a boat, you always feel you need to justify them. That demands ignoring other exploratory travel. JMO.
Sitting on the front porch and watching Grandchildren fish off the dock

Or

Listen to the Loons talking to each other.

Priceless.
 
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Feels more important because people actually live in these cities. Phoenix was 6.5 degrees higher than the previous record? Not good.
I feel great as do all of our winter visitors. The Phoenix metro continues to fill in every available open space with housing. Thank God for Indian reservations.

Record heat THIS March here. Record cold elsewhere. Today is Friday, so I guess today is Global Warming Day for you. Tomorrow will be Heat Island Day and Easter Sunday will be water is important day.

You may already be aware of the truth regarding the Easter Bunny, but I can't wait until the day when you discover Democrats have been blowing up dams sending billions upon billions of gallons of freshwater into the ocean. All to save some tiny fish species among other things.
 

tjfleck6

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Hilarious. You’re comparing small town governments to a planned move by the Federal government, yet chastise TJ for posting the coldest weather in Alaska because small population versus the large SW population. Perhaps trying to win the internet isn’t all it’s cracked up to be for you.
Fairbanks is an extremely important American city. Thank goodness for the tough men and women who make it go. Nearby Delta Junction is a big farming community.

It's too bad it is beyond his comprehension that the Earth has balance. When it is hot in some area, another area is extremely cold.
 
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