**HARDESTY OUT**

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How do you know he's bad at his job? Given the circumstances with injuries, it's impossible to know. But here's what I do know. Baugh was a freshman AA, and he didn't show up until July of last year. Tree played pretty well for a true freshman that was forced into a starting job. He had some great moments, and some "freshman" moments.

OL sucked Game 1. OL sucked Game 12.
 
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I don't think the guy had much to work with, really.

Allegedly that was partly his fault. Who can say?

He had 3 years, though, and the run game never stood out.

It won't make sense if this is the ONLY change made. It'd be like taking your car to the mechanic b/c the transmission is going out and it has a flat tire and only fixing the flat tire.
 

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OL sucked Game 1. OL sucked Game 12.
Looking at Teasley's background, there was nothing on his resume that shouted "Hire me". Whatever Beamer was drinking when he decided to go with him...the least Shane could do is tell the rest of us what it was so we can have a good time, too.
 
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Looking at Teasley's background, there was nothing on his resume that shouted "Hire me". Whatever Beamer was drinking when he decided to go with him...the least Shane could do is tell the rest of us what it was so we can have a good time, too.

Exactly. If he was not already in the building (and it's questionable why he even was to begin with) there is a 0% chance he'd have been anyone's radar for the job.

Can an argument be made to retain him? Sure. Injuries probably take him off the hook. But, I think when you coach up one of the worst units in all of college football, an equally solid argument can be made for dismissal. Just goes back to how serious we are about this thing.
 
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Allegedly that was partly his fault. Who can say?

He had 3 years, though, and the run game never stood out.

It won't make sense if this is the ONLY change made. It'd be like taking your car to the mechanic b/c the transmission is going out and it has a flat tire and only fixing the flat tire.
No argument with what you said, but unless subsequent and more substantive changes are made, he'll come off as a fall guy.
 

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No argument with what you said, but unless subsequent and more substantive changes are made, he'll come off as a fall guy.
Fall guy suggests that there was little merit to his firing. Completely false. Entering his 3rd year, he told us our best RB on the roster was DK. Kevin Harris regressed in 2021. He had Jaheim Bell taking carries from Lloyd. Lloyd didn't improve under him. JuJu hasn't developed. We had glaring issues with personnel in key situations this year. It was apparently to any and everyone that Mario was head and shoulders better than DK. But he "wasn't ready". Mario was a Senior, not a freshman. He went through all spring and summer and you can't get him ready?? Mario didn't get a touch against UNC, while DK was running for 1.9YPC, and JuJu got 5 carries for -1 yd. Bottom line is MoHard sucked at managing his position. So he needs to be fired...regardless if anyone else is let go.
 
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I've never been in favor keeping coaches who can recruit but are otherwise bad at their job.
That led to Muschamp's downfall here...well, at least one of the things. Recruiting ability was the reason why Muschamp made Travaris Robinson Defensive Coordinator. TRob could not coordinate a 2-car parade. When Muschamp was fired, I recall comments by fans here that they were surprised that Muschamp never produced good defenses here. TRob was the reason for that. If Beamer does not get smart with his staff decisions, he won't be here beyond the 2025 season.
 

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That led to Muschamp's downfall here...well, at least one of the things. Recruiting ability was the reason why Muschamp made Travaris Robinson Defensive Coordinator. TRob could not coordinate a 2-car parade. When Muschamp was fired, I recall comments by fans here that they were surprised that Muschamp never produced good defenses here. TRob was the reason for that. If Beamer does not get smart with his staff decisions, he won't be here beyond the 2025 season.
I agree with your last sentence...it's now or never.
 
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I agree with your last sentence...it's now or never.

Which brings to my question about Teasley. I agree that it's now or never for Beamer. The time for him to get his staff right is now. If you were in his shoes, would you stake your career on Teasley?
 

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Which brings to my question about Teasley. I agree that it's now or never for Beamer. The time for him to get his staff right is now. If you were in his shoes, would you stake your career on Teasley?
If I felt positively that I could get a home run guy, I'd pull the trigger. But that's the only way. I think there's potential with him. Markee Anderson had worked his way into the rotation, and was in line for a starting job until he got hurt. Tro was a freshman All American. Tree showed a lot of promise. He seems to be doing a good job when he has actual talent to work with.
 

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Fall guy suggests that there was little merit to his firing. Completely false. Entering his 3rd year, he told us our best RB on the roster was DK. Kevin Harris regressed in 2021. He had Jaheim Bell taking carries from Lloyd. Lloyd didn't improve under him. JuJu hasn't developed. We had glaring issues with personnel in key situations this year. It was apparently to any and everyone that Mario was head and shoulders better than DK. But he "wasn't ready". Mario was a Senior, not a freshman. He went through all spring and summer and you can't get him ready?? Mario didn't get a touch against UNC, while DK was running for 1.9YPC, and JuJu got 5 carries for -1 yd. Bottom line is MoHard sucked at managing his position. So he needs to be fired...regardless if anyone else is let go.
Did I SAY he should be retained? I'll help you. No, I didn't. What I said was that he comes off as a fall guy if he is the only, and most important, staff member who gets the ax. What I averred is that it was probably hoped that his jetisonning would help appease the fanbase. I find no need to retract that.
 

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Did I SAY he should be retained? I'll help you. No, I didn't. What I said was that he comes off as a fall guy if he is the only, and most important, staff member who gets the ax. What I averred is that it was probably hoped that his jetisonning would help appease the fanbase. I find no need to retract that.

I think this is pretty self-evident. Is his firing justifiable? Absolutely. But was he the MAIN problem? No. If we don't fire White, we aren't taking football seriously.
 
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Which brings to my question about Teasley. I agree that it's now or never for Beamer. The time for him to get his staff right is now. If you were in his shoes, would you stake your career on Teasley?
Everyone says you can't keep a coach just to keep recruits; But, if you jettison Teasley, I bet you any amount of $$ that Tree, Franks, Baugh and some other OL will hit the portal as fast as they can.
 

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I think this is pretty self-evident. Is his firing justifiable? Absolutely. But was he the MAIN problem? No. If we don't fire White, we aren't taking football seriously.
Statistically, our rushing O was much worse that our D has been in all 3 years. Our rushing O has been:
2021 - 93
2022 - 105
2023 - 126

That's putrid. I know he's not to blame for all of it, but he damn sure hasn't done anything to improve it. As bad as our D was, there was good performances. There were adjustments made. You can't say the same about our running game. Not one good performance all year, unless you want to call 144 yds against MSU good. Or 130 yds against Vandy good.
 

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Statistically, our rushing O was much worse that our D has been in all 3 years. Our rushing O has been:
2021 - 93
2022 - 105
2023 - 126

That's putrid. I know he's not to blame for all of it, but he damn sure hasn't done anything to improve it. As bad as our D was, there was good performances. There were adjustments made. You can't say the same about our running game. Not one good performance all year, unless you want to call 144 yds against MSU good. Or 130 yds against Vandy good.

I agree with all that. But it is somewhat difficult to unravel running game struggles and OL struggles from one another. Some will say the OL made the run game look worse than it was. Others will say the run game made the OL look worse than it was. When it comes to D, though, it's a fairly simple analysis. I just don't see how can justify dismissing Hardesty but not dismissing White.
 

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I agree with all that. But it is somewhat difficult to unravel running game struggles and OL struggles from one another. Some will say the OL made the run game look worse than it was. Others will say the run game made the OL look worse than it was. When it comes to D, though, it's a fairly simple analysis. I just don't see how can justify dismissing Hardesty but not dismissing White.
If white does stay, he has at least shown an ability to perform. In 2021 our D was 41st in the country. He's also been regarded as a good DC in the past. They had some games this year where they were really good. I want him gone, but I can see a scenario where you say we just need more talent on that side of the ball. There are no such reasonings with MoHard.
 

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Which brings to my question about Teasley. I agree that it's now or never for Beamer. The time for him to get his staff right is now. If you were in his shoes, would you stake your career on Teasley?
What makes you think it's now or never for Beamer? False statement.
 

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What makes you think it's now or never for Beamer? False statement.
If he gets these hires wrong, or is wrong in his assessment that certain coaches should stay, he's not going to last past 2025. It sounds like more changes are coming, which is good. I also heard something that Beamer is feeling the urgency to get this right, and shares the same "now or never" in regards to his future prospects here. Bottom line is, he knows this offseason is pivotal in terms of his long term coaching plans, and he is being deliberate in his assessments.

Also sounds like Jimmy Smith is a target for RB coach.
 
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If he gets these hires wrong, or is wrong in his assessment that certain coaches should stay, he's not going to last past 2025. It sounds like more changes are coming, which is good. I also heard something that Beamer is feeling the urgency to get this right, and shares the same "now or never" in regards to his future prospects here. Bottom line is, he knows this offseason is pivotal in terms of his long term coaching plans, and he is being deliberate in his assessments.

Also sounds like Jimmy Smith is a target for RB coach.
I agree with the 2525 part. The Frank Beamer scenario ain't coming here.
 

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If he gets these hires wrong, or is wrong in his assessment that certain coaches should stay, he's not going to last past 2025. It sounds like more changes are coming, which is good. I also heard something that Beamer is feeling the urgency to get this right, and shares the same "now or never" in regards to his future prospects here. Bottom line is, he knows this offseason is pivotal in terms of his long term coaching plans, and he is being deliberate in his assessments.

Also sounds like Jimmy Smith is a target for RB coach.
The Show today said he was a package deal with Rocket!
 

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If he gets these hires wrong, or is wrong in his assessment that certain coaches should stay, he's not going to last past 2025. It sounds like more changes are coming, which is good. I also heard something that Beamer is feeling the urgency to get this right, and shares the same "now or never" in regards to his future prospects here. Bottom line is, he knows this offseason is pivotal in terms of his long term coaching plans, and he is being deliberate in his assessments.

Also sounds like Jimmy Smith is a target for RB coach.
I really don't think he's gone after 2025 if he doesn't get it right now. Should he be gone? Maybe. I don't think Tanner has it in him.