basketball is the only athletic program we have that is truly a winner in most recent years. Baseball and football have tanked while the basketball program continues to be the only program in which we can realistically feel like we have a chance to win a SEC West title or a conference title year in and year out. People can argue all day long that is is much harder to win the West in football and that the competition is much stronger in football. People can also moan and complain about Stans and how he can't coach or how stupid he is, but of TWELVE universities in the SEC, Mississippi State University is consistently one of the best basketball programs. </p>
Harsh reality....it cannot be argued
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basketball is the only athletic program we have that is truly a winner in most recent years. Baseball and football have tanked while the basketball program continues to be the only program in which we can realistically feel like we have a chance to win a SEC West title or a conference title year in and year out. People can argue all day long that is is much harder to win the West in football and that the competition is much stronger in football. People can also moan and complain about Stans and how he can't coach or how stupid he is, but of TWELVE universities in the SEC, Mississippi State University is consistently one of the best basketball programs. </p>
...is that aside from Kentucky, the SEC just isn't passionate about basketball. Football is king down here. And if we're going to crow about our hoops and hitch our wagon to the basketball program, then we need to take that next step, which includes playing a national schedule, beating everyone you're supposed to, and making runs in the big tourney. As long as we continue losing games to Rider, Richmond, and Western Kentucky, people are going to continue (justifiably) to give Stansbury hell.
true that. I've been saying that all along...and here's another question...if the Ninja did get rid of RS, who would we hire? I mean really. What we have is so much better than having to take a gamble on an "up-and-comer".
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and an angle I've never considered.
However I refuse to criticize Stans for consistent winning. But I will say it seems things are growing stagnant and there isn't much excitement because we all have kinda seen this game before. Win enough to get the tournament and flame out. Oh well. At the same time you really can't ***** about winning anything at MSU.
However I refuse to criticize Stans for consistent winning. But I will say it seems things are growing stagnant and there isn't much excitement because we all have kinda seen this game before. Win enough to get the tournament and flame out. Oh well. At the same time you really can't ***** about winning anything at MSU.
Well then you are screwed because guess what? There is NOT A SINGLE COACH in existence nor will there EVER BE a coach who beats EVERYONE they are supposed to. Sorry to burst your bubble but upsets happen. Guess what, Duke over the years hasn't beaten everyone they were supposed to. Coach K should be given hell huh. Just flat out stupid.Frances Drebin said:
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but the big thing to remember is this - if we get rid of Stans, would we upgrade or downgrade? I mean, we can't afford Calipari. I think Stans is doing just about as good as he can. AT THE VERY LEAST he's consistent. It would be harder to upgrade, so why shouldn't we be happy with what we have?
Couldn't it be possible that we are beating the "nobodies" of the SEC, because, get this, WE ARE THE SOMEBODY, of the SEC? Maybe we are the team people get up to play?
Couldn't it be possible that we are beating the "nobodies" of the SEC, because, get this, WE ARE THE SOMEBODY, of the SEC? Maybe we are the team people get up to play?
Football loses to those nobodies and the SEC west year after year..Coach34 said:
Maybe Mullen can turn that around to a degree, but until he does the basketball program will continue to be the shining star of MSU athletics.
When did we ever start 66 players in football? I understand starting 5, but 66?
Stick to facts, or drop the coach stuff.
Stick to facts, or drop the coach stuff.
For the love of Pete, we are 15-3 and 3-0 and have won 13 of 14 games. Some of you dipshits need to look around the country and get out of your bubble. Teams lose games to teams they shouldn't every night. You don't freak out and talk about getting rid of the coach. You think Georgia is better than Georgia Tech?
Sure I would like to win more in the NCAA tournament but last I checked it has not started yet this year. I think some of you chicken littles that spaz out in the middle of games may end looking just as stupid come March as you did yesterday.
Sure I would like to win more in the NCAA tournament but last I checked it has not started yet this year. I think some of you chicken littles that spaz out in the middle of games may end looking just as stupid come March as you did yesterday.
...and they happen all the time.
Lose to Rider? Upset.
Lose to Rider, Richmond, and W. Kentucky? A disturbing trend. And guess what....this happens every year.
Lose to Rider? Upset.
Lose to Rider, Richmond, and W. Kentucky? A disturbing trend. And guess what....this happens every year.
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Pointing out that basketball is the shining star of MSU athletics over recent years has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that football squads are larger than basketball squads.
Just your typical inane, straw man argument.
Pointing out that basketball is the shining star of MSU athletics over recent years has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that football squads are larger than basketball squads.
Just your typical inane, straw man argument.
Answer: We win about 21-23 games consistently finish in the top 3 or 4 in the SEC.
Look, I get frustrated at times with Stansbury. I could have punched him for ever taking Turner out of the game yesterday or for leaving Kodi and Ravern in there while they were playing zero defense. However, I just don't see how some of you can practically ignore the 13 of 14 that we have won and focus on a couple of losses that happened 2 months ago. That is a miserable way to be an MSU basketball fan. We started out like crap but now we have it together and are winning even when we do have an off game. Jeez, enjoy the ride. Alot can happen between now and March. MSU will have a say in the overall SEC title before all is said and done. It is not a foregone conclusion that UK is going to run away with things.
Look, I get frustrated at times with Stansbury. I could have punched him for ever taking Turner out of the game yesterday or for leaving Kodi and Ravern in there while they were playing zero defense. However, I just don't see how some of you can practically ignore the 13 of 14 that we have won and focus on a couple of losses that happened 2 months ago. That is a miserable way to be an MSU basketball fan. We started out like crap but now we have it together and are winning even when we do have an off game. Jeez, enjoy the ride. Alot can happen between now and March. MSU will have a say in the overall SEC title before all is said and done. It is not a foregone conclusion that UK is going to run away with things.
And given our schedule, and how bad the conference has been, this isn't good enough. It shouldn't be good enough for anyone on here. What does it say to you that we win 20 games and the SEC West and have to sweat it out on the NCAA bubble seemingly every year? We wouldn't have gotten in last year if we hadn't won the SEC tourney.
I get so tired of the "b- b- but we win 20 games every year and we win the SEC West". It's a very hollow argument. You are touting the 13 or 14 games we've won, but our strength of schedule rating is 138 (!).
I gave up trying to argue about this. There are just some people on this board that have a hard-on for disliking Stansbury. Nothing you or anyone says will change that opinion for them. It's really sad. The whole fanbase was ready to build a statue of Jackie Sherrill, a guy who had great success when compared with our history, but in the grand scheme (on a national scale) did nothing out of the ordinary. Yet, Rick Stansbury has great success compared with our history, and people are ready to run him out of town. Further proof that we have a lot of really dumb fans.
You can be miserable and dwell on a couple of games in November. I'll enjoy the ones we are winning now. Every fan worth anything wants more of their program but not at the risk of potentially blowing the whole thing to hell. You can piss and moan all you want because that is what message boards are for but Rick Stansbury is not going anywhere anytime soon because Greg Byrne is not stupid. Stansbury is about to go to the NCAA tournament for the 7th time in 9 years. Doesn't look like we have been "sweating it" very much when you step back and look at it.
As far as last year goes, have you already forgotten what we lost from the previous year (Hansbrough, Rhodes, Gordon) and where we were picked to finish at the start of last year? Winning 23 games, the SECT, and going to the NCAAs was not underachieving.
As far as last year goes, have you already forgotten what we lost from the previous year (Hansbrough, Rhodes, Gordon) and where we were picked to finish at the start of last year? Winning 23 games, the SECT, and going to the NCAAs was not underachieving.
In the SEC, here are the numbers Top 25 recruiting classes over the past few years
2005 - Football 7 Total, 3 Top Ten, Basketball 5 Total, 3 Top Ten
2006 - Football 7 Total , 4 Top Ten, Basketball 4 Total, 1 Top Ten
2007 - Football 7 Total, 5 Top Ten, Basketball 4 Total, 1 Top Ten
2008 - Football 6 Total, 3 Top Ten, Basketball 6 Total, 1 Top Ten
2009 - Football 10 Total, 4 Top Ten, Basketball 3 Total, 1 Top Ten
So if you add them up, over the last 5 years, the SEC has had 37 Top 25 recruiting classes in football as compared to 22 in basketball. Even more telling is that there have been 19 Top Ten classes in football as opposed to 7 in basketball.
What does that mean? Obviously that the SEC is all about the gridiron, and all other sports are a distant second. It's obvious where the efforts are being made in our league. So I guess one way of looking at that is that we should be grateful to have a pretty good basketball team every year. However, the one thing that most every SEC team can rest their hat on about this is that they have proof that their primary effort is spent towards football (see bowls, championships, etc.) With MSU, well... not so much.
2005 - Football 7 Total, 3 Top Ten, Basketball 5 Total, 3 Top Ten
2006 - Football 7 Total , 4 Top Ten, Basketball 4 Total, 1 Top Ten
2007 - Football 7 Total, 5 Top Ten, Basketball 4 Total, 1 Top Ten
2008 - Football 6 Total, 3 Top Ten, Basketball 6 Total, 1 Top Ten
2009 - Football 10 Total, 4 Top Ten, Basketball 3 Total, 1 Top Ten
So if you add them up, over the last 5 years, the SEC has had 37 Top 25 recruiting classes in football as compared to 22 in basketball. Even more telling is that there have been 19 Top Ten classes in football as opposed to 7 in basketball.
What does that mean? Obviously that the SEC is all about the gridiron, and all other sports are a distant second. It's obvious where the efforts are being made in our league. So I guess one way of looking at that is that we should be grateful to have a pretty good basketball team every year. However, the one thing that most every SEC team can rest their hat on about this is that they have proof that their primary effort is spent towards football (see bowls, championships, etc.) With MSU, well... not so much.
Really?
Tell me thats not what you are saying.
To the rest of the country, we are slightly above mediocre in basketball. TRUTH. And we had the opportunity to be better than that. Yes we have had bad luck, but we have caused some bad luck also.
Tell me thats not what you are saying.
To the rest of the country, we are slightly above mediocre in basketball. TRUTH. And we had the opportunity to be better than that. Yes we have had bad luck, but we have caused some bad luck also.
1- When did special teams players become starters? Thats a new one. Never seem to see those special teams starters introduced on TV during games...odd. Its almost as if they arent starters and your argument is total assbagery at its best.Coach34 said:
B- When did MSU start using ALL different players for punt team and kickoff team? Same for punt return and kickoff return? Man, i swear ive seen some of THE SAME PLAYERS in both groups!!
Its almost as if many of those players are in both groups and your argument is total assbagery on multiple levels.
football has more room for error than basketball, coach. You use the number 66 for football and use 5 for basketball which shows just how tremendously biased you are against Stansbury. You are right when you say "just cant compare the two".Coach34 said:
The original poster is dead on and that cannot be argued, our success, whether you're talking about in conference or national success, is much, much better than any program on our campus the last 10 years.
-Our conference RPI's average over the last 10 years is 3rd in the nation.
-The NCAA doesn't care what conference you are in, they select the best teams, and we've been a tourney team 6 of the last 8 years (likely 7 of 9)
-We've made the 2nd round every other year, making us a top 25 team NATIONALLY, which has nothing to w/ our conference.
-A top 25 team is in the top 7 percent of DI baskeball teams, and make no mistake, it's much easier for a mid major to win in basketball than it is football b/c you only have to have 2 or 3 good players. Being a consistent top 35-40 team in baskeball is pretty good. I guess coach is saying that 90% of the teams in college basketball are nobodies, because that's consistently who we finish ahead of.
-So you guys want to go from a team in the top 10% of all of college basketball to the top 5%... So do we, but I think we have a lot better chance of doing that with a coach that constantly gives us at bats and opportunities in the NCAA's than starting over. It's ludicrous to think the guy CAN'T get us there when he's been a few possessions away on at least three occassions </p>
-Our conference RPI's average over the last 10 years is 3rd in the nation.
-The NCAA doesn't care what conference you are in, they select the best teams, and we've been a tourney team 6 of the last 8 years (likely 7 of 9)
-We've made the 2nd round every other year, making us a top 25 team NATIONALLY, which has nothing to w/ our conference.
-A top 25 team is in the top 7 percent of DI baskeball teams, and make no mistake, it's much easier for a mid major to win in basketball than it is football b/c you only have to have 2 or 3 good players. Being a consistent top 35-40 team in baskeball is pretty good. I guess coach is saying that 90% of the teams in college basketball are nobodies, because that's consistently who we finish ahead of.
-So you guys want to go from a team in the top 10% of all of college basketball to the top 5%... So do we, but I think we have a lot better chance of doing that with a coach that constantly gives us at bats and opportunities in the NCAA's than starting over. It's ludicrous to think the guy CAN'T get us there when he's been a few possessions away on at least three occassions </p>